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Oh my...... Creedo, your ruse isn't working. Vampires with iq's above 250? Nonsense, Ive never met a vampire with an iq above 180, and I've met some pretty damn smart vampires. You're also all wrong about alien iq's. Since their iq's are measured on the pylongian scale, theres not really an equivalent for us earth beings.

 

I call bs.

 

 

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That 14 year old comment wouldn't have happened to be a shot at me? who defended Creedos posts in a different forum now would it?

 

You sure don't talk like a person with any sort of medical degree.

 

If you don't agree with what he says, or he proved you wrong, be the biggerman and just stop posting about it. Even if you think he didn't prove you wrong, man, just let it go, plus you can just live in denile about it.

 

I mean is it really worth getting carpril tunnel or getting kicked off the fourms over?

 

 

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Siegmund,

 

BTW Darby... are talking about the "Wheat Gluten" study?

Yes - that's the one. It was very new when I graduated in 1976 (the year that Singh and Kay published). My post grad education and professional career have taken me far, far away from Experimental Psychology. Though I do try to stay in tune with the topic not working in the field makes the brain fuzzy. The reference to schizophrenias and pathogens triggered a memory. "Singh & Kay" decided to transfer from STM to LTM apparently. ;)

 

 

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TO SIEGMUND :confused: DIAGN0STIC CRITERIA FOR SCHIZOPHRENIA....Am i suffering schizophrenia? IF [1] DELUSION :I think i am a politician.[2] HALLUCINATION :see my fridge full of beer.[3]DISORGANIZE SPEECH:could not get a proper word out, when the cops pulled me over for having a dirty license number plate.[4]GROSSLY DISORGANIZED BEHAVIOR: wearing a green shirt with jeans.And [5]NEGATIVE SYNPTONS:talking to myself when i get my tax bill....

 

 

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Is that why Creddo got banned in the past?

Could you please clarify (perhaps with a quote) what you are referring to when you use "that", Servantx? It is difficult to understand what you are asking about.

 

Creedo got banned for going back to previous posts he made and either deleting them or filling them with nonsense. A LOT of them.

 

RMT

 

 

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Creedo seemed sensible to me. Just because you don't understand a person or their beliefs, does not make them a schizophrenic; it just means you're lacking their insight.

 

People who are schizophrenic get lost in their own head. Not every case of schizophrenia is the same. Genetics play a huge role in liability but so do environmental factors.

 

People from birth are trained in pattern recognition; even so before birth, they can be said to have existed prior in the minds of their father. People who are schizophrenic generally lose the pattern of their life. Their sense of reality crumbles around them.

 

But when you get down to it, there is no objective reality you can pinpoint; you're just a complex mind getting sensory input. Who is to say the schizophrenic mad man is not just a misunderstood genius? The diagnostician himself. But what does this say when schizophrenia is a catch-all term for a broad class of illness? The diagnostician takes a shortcut; and the suffering person gets a label that may not even be appropriate.

 

Furthermore, on the person who mentioned that LSD-25 is a 5-HT agonist, they are forgetting that LSD-25 is an agonist of several receptors, including dopamine receptors. Enough LSD will completely reset your pattern recognition; and throw you into an episode of complete disjoint with reality. But where does that mean "you" actually went?

 

The sky, of course. With diamonds. (:

 

 

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You seem to have a lot of preconceived beliefs. Do you have any facts to support those beliefs? Or can you even tell the difference between a belief and a fact?

Yes, certainly. There is no difference between the two; beliefs and facts are of the same nature: ideas granted sound.

 

Man was just an idea, once. As was, and am, I.

 

I try to believe very little. For instance, I forgot my own birthday, just to celebrate every day as a grand gesture of life. Lewis Carroll's unbirthday, if you will.

 

I can't tell the actual difference between fact and belief, and I'm not sure anyone actually can. People set up axioms to guide their life. Just in the same way geometry can be construed as senseless lines and shapes without rules, we set up rules for sense itself.

 

Example: How can you walk into a room without knowing it has four corners?

 

Before, people thought the world to be square, flat; perhaps it really was that way. I don't know for certain, I've never really been to the moon. I've heard people have, but it's hard to believe sometimes, the way things are today.

 

I hope it is round, and for what I have seen, what goes around comes around; thus, here I am. The world wouldn't make sense any other way.

 

But to elaborate upon that, I suppose you could say that the true rigor of science would be like tossing spaghetti (ideas) to a wall, and seeing which ones stick, simply because they do. To truly invent ideas into the world, the first step begins with writing them down. Science is fundamentally flawed; not because it doesn't work (it does, ergo this conversation), but because it tries to reach an end of understanding which does not -- and will not -- exist, due to the inconceivable nature of nature.

 

This conversation reminds me of a friend of mine, a dear artist, who spoke the words:

 

Cogito ergo sum.

 

Peace be with you.

 

 

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If you can no longer distinguish between a belief and a fact, then you have to accept that you are schizophrenic. You have technically become a crazy person.

 

Science has crossed the borders of fact as well. The concept of theory is analogous to religion. Neither one will ever become fact.

 

Don't you find it very odd that our educational system is actually the basis for widespread schizophrenia? Is this a method of control? Through false beliefs?

 

You've been successfully conned. (or brainwashed) Snap out of it. If you still can.

 

 

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If you can no longer distinguish between a belief and a fact, then you have to accept that you are schizophrenic. You have technically become a crazy person.

 

Science has crossed the borders of fact as well. The concept of theory is analogous to religion. Neither one will ever become fact.

 

Don't you find it very odd that our educational system is actually the basis for widespread schizophrenia? Is this a method of control? Through false beliefs?

 

You've been successfully conned. (or brainwashed) Snap out of it. If you still can.

We are all "schizophrenic", in your vague sense of the word. We are all of the same mind and body, separates of the same Whole. We are of THIS EARTH. We just spend our whole lives trying to fight this fact. We are our own storytellers, some of us have just forgotten who wrote it in the first place.

 

The concept of scientific theory is analogous to religion, you are right. However, a scientific theory is separate from religion in that a theory has grounds of natural science to back it up; Scientific theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

most religions, over time, have asked for baseless belief. A true God would not ask for baseless belief, just acknowledgement in the truest sense. A loving God does not force belief, but grants acknowledgement when one truly asks.

 

I have found my Father, as I asked for Him. But this just comes to the same point: How can you separate real from unreal when both can be equated as delusions due to being of the same "natural" sensory input?

 

Trick question, you can't. You're just along for the ride, and you take what's on your plate as it's given to you. Welcome to the Fallacy of Induction.

 

Want another trick question? Who's richer, Pocahontas or Bill Gates?

 

 

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We are all "schizophrenic", in your vague sense of the word. We are all of the same mind and body, separates of the same Whole. We are of THIS EARTH. We just spend our whole lives trying to fight this fact. We are our own storytellers, some of us have just forgotten who wrote it in the first place.

The concept of scientific theory is analogous to religion, you are right. However, a scientific theory is separate from religion in that a theory has grounds of natural science to back it up; Scientific theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

most religions, over time, have asked for baseless belief. A true God would not ask for baseless belief, just acknowledgement in the truest sense. A loving God does not force belief, but grants acknowledgement when one truly asks.

 

I have found my Father, as I asked for Him. But this just comes to the same point: How can you separate real from unreal when both can be equated as delusions due to being of the same "natural" sensory input?

 

Trick question, you can't. You're just along for the ride, and you take what's on your plate as it's given to you. Welcome to the Fallacy of Induction.

 

Want another trick question? Who's richer, Pocahontas or Bill Gates?

No one can call you Schizophrenic unless they are qualified as a doctor.

 

However, self-check is important. Symptoms as below:

 

Schizophrenia (/ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/) is a mental disorder often characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to recognize what is real. Common symptoms include false beliefs, auditory hallucinations, confused or unclear thinking, inactivity, and reduced social engagement and emotional expression. Diagnosis is based on observed behavior and the person's reported experiences.

 

Schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Einstein and JDT, both of you please calm down. Let's be nice to each other on this online forum. :)

 

The following article, do you two see it as a fact, or belief?

 

Time Travel and Modern Physics (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

 

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No one can call you Schizophrenic unless they are qualified as a doctor.

However, self-check is important. Symptoms as below:

 

Schizophrenia (/ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/) is a mental disorder often characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to recognize what is real. Common symptoms include false beliefs, auditory hallucinations, confused or unclear thinking, inactivity, and reduced social engagement and emotional expression. Diagnosis is based on observed behavior and the person's reported experiences.

 

Schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Einstein and JDT, both of you please calm down. Let's be nice to each other on this online forum. :)

 

The following article, do you two see it as a fact, or belief?

 

Time Travel and Modern Physics (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

Einstein is a dear friend of mine, I love him to death! Calm is exactly how I see this discussion. I'll read this topic later. Thank you for the link.

 

 

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The following article, do you two see it as a fact, or belief?

Time Travel and Modern Physics (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

I couldn't find any verifiable facts or beliefs in the link. Just looks like a treatise on fictional entertainment. The guy is writing about time travel. That would make the headlines if real facts about time travel were discovered. All I could find was hearsay and hogwash.

 

 

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I couldn't find any verifiable facts or beliefs in the link. Just looks like a treatise on fictional entertainment. The guy is writing about time travel. That would make the headlines if real facts about time travel were discovered. All I could find was hearsay and hogwash.

Look at the Bibliography, I won't call that was hearsay and hogwash. :)

 

Bibliography

 

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  • Earman, J. 1995. Bangs, Crunches, Whimpers and Shrieks: Singularities and Acausalities in Relativistic Spacetimes, New York: Oxford University Press.
     
  • Earman, J., Smeenk, C., and Wüthrich, C. 2009.“Do the laws of physics forbid the operation of a time machine?,” Synthese, 169 (1): 91-124.
     
  • Echeverria, F., Klinkhammer, G., and Thorne, K. 1991. “Billiard ball in wormhole spacetimes with closed timelike curves: classical theory,” Physical Review D, 44 (4): 1077-1099.
     
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  • Friedman, J. and Morris, M. 1991. “The Cauchy problem for the scalar wave equation is well defined on a class of spacetimes with closed timelike curves,” Physical Review letters, 66: 401-404.
     
  • Geroch, R. and Horowitz, G. 1979. “Global structures of spacetimes,” in General Relativity, an Einstein Centenary Survey, S. Hawking and W. Israel (eds.), Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
     
  • Gödel, K. 1949. “A remark about the relationship between relativity theory and idealistic philosophy,” in Albert Einstein: Philosopher-Scientist, P. Schilpp (ed.), La Salle: Open Court, pp. 557-562.
     
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I couldn't find any verifiable facts or beliefs in the link. Just looks like a treatise on fictional entertainment. The guy is writing about time travel. That would make the headlines if real facts about time travel were discovered. All I could find was hearsay and hogwash.

Dear Einstein, I have a thought-experiment for you. I want you to find a desk, and then, clear everything from it. Next, I want you to place only on that desk, objects that you can prove with absolute certainty to exist.

 

When you have concluded your experiment, please consult me with your findings. I am curious as to how you are distinguishing/defining real and imaginary beliefs when they are coaxial themselves.

 

 

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