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It was so successful because he was the first (of many) who claimed ot be a time traveller.

Agreed! Now, everyone wants to mimic the adventures of the people behind JT and hopefully get as popular as him. He was the first and if his equivalent were to come now, no one would take him seriously because of past issues with all these TT's. Seven years ago it was a good idea to make up TT stories but that time has come and gone..

 

The first is always the best and then people begin to grow tired of the same shenanigans once they are played over and over again. Someone said in another forum, "Talk about beating a dead horse," and that's exactly what all these alleged TT's are doing. It's getting OLD people! With each and every NEW/USED story, our awareness tends to drift towards the growing grass outside as a much more appeasing sight, rather than reading these bogus stories!

 

 

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Just to add my 2 cents...

 

I sort of am wondering why there is such an interest in finding out exactly "who" John Titor is. It seems at this point in time, there is a fairly strong opinion held by everyone whether J.T. is a fake or not.

 

I dont mind the on-line debate, but when people start prying into someones private life, this is going beyond acceptable behavior.

 

If I "really" wanted to know "who" John Titor is..it would not be that hard to find him. However, it wouldnt really make any difference in my daily life to know "who" J.T. is. I have more important things occuring than digging out John Titor. Thus, my energy and time spent on "finding" him has been limited.

 

If government employees are involved with this thing now, I hesitate to continue to post in TTI.

 

Obviously, there are some fruit-loops that come in here, and I am getting nervous with the fact that some people want to go beyond the scope of an on-line debate.

 

If TTA is John, good job...If not...darn, John has a pretty good thing going for him.

 

Leave it at that. I see this thing slipping into our own little civil war, with people going into areas that should be left alone.

 

Keeping this here, on-line is great. But, to start using resources to "track" someone down and mess with them is too much.

 

And that goes for those who know who they are...relax...this is a supposed to be for a little fun and to take away the rigors of daily life. But to take it beyond these hallowed halls, is plain stupid.

 

 

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OvrLrd,

 

If government employees are involved with this thing now, I hesitate to continue to post in TTI.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "if government employees are involved in this thing" but you should know by now that at least a half dozen of the original posters were government employees. Several of us have retired since 2000 but remain in government as retired employees (they let us work after retirement).

 

That being said I'd add that to my knowledge none of us has every used any government "tools" to pursue our iinterest in the story. If I thought otherwise I too would be upset over the issue. You (as a tax payer) pay us to work when we are at work. You don't pay us to play the Titor Game with your tax dollars.

 

 

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Darby,

 

I am sure you know that I have a deep respect for you. I have learned alot from your posts. I dont have any reservations regarding your interactions on this board.

 

However, this doesn't mean that others won't cross boundaries. The threats are inferred many times, even in this thread.

 

Money isnt the issue for me. We all play while at work. Regardless of where we are employed. So that doesnt bother me. It is what resources are used and what they are used for that bothers me.

 

So far what Cipher has done is rather basic.

 

What is next? Track down TTA and send someone out to beat the truth out of him? Cipher sure seems intent on bringing TTA down, one way or another, and its the "another" that concerns me.

 

I have friends in the law enforcement industry, but havent asked them to spend any time in any attempt to find out who J.T. may be.

 

They could do so easily, but I really don't think that anyone here deserves to have any law enforcement official tracking them down. This would require the agents prying into areas that really arent "my" business.

 

But, this doesnt mean somebody else wont take that step and go off and become a predator on the prowl.

 

My opinion stems from interaction with another member,, who will remain unnamed, but has demonstrated a dangerous inclination and to what lengths he would go is unknown.

 

Any one of us is easy to find...and I just am a little wary of some of the posters and how they view the condition of the world. I am hoping they are spoofing on how much of a conspiracy they think is occurring and how many of us they think are part of some sort of government plan and using TTI to track them and monitor their lives.

 

How far will they take this delusion? So far nothing really bad has happened, but that doesnt mean that one of these people wont snap and come hunting because of some sort of stupid idea that TTI members are messing with them.

 

I may be a little paranoid, but this is my 2nd computer, since the first one got hacked and corrupted. Whoever did it pretended to be me on-line and now my step-daughters won't even talk to me anymore.

 

Whether it was someone here or not, I dont know. But, it is a fact that it happened.

 

Thus I am wary.

 

 

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Cipher:

 

In examining Zeshua, it is noticeably repeated in Zeshuas posts that he emphasizes the date of the 22nd or with anything regarding a 2 in it like the year 2025 or the dates that Zeshua came and went on the forum from 2-22-05 / 2-22-06 which you can view here.

I can tell you that Zeshua is not JT/Chrono, Javier or TTA. I lost all respect for you when you said Javier was Zeshua. It seems to me the only reason you're on this forum is to spread lies and make yourself look important. I'm not interested. You're no better than people accusing Darby or Pamela being JT. Just my opinion.

 

You seem to have a beef with Javier/TTA, and it seems to be a long lasting one. Perhaps the moderators should search their database on your previous IP's and we would have an answer. I suspect you've been around before and are only around now to attack Javier/TTA.

 

Come on over to the forum I moderate and post there. http://www.conspiracycafe.net/forums/index.php? Register there like Darby and Pamela have and submit to our questions. The Zeshua group is there as well as several people that originally posted to John Titor.

 

I'm not advertising the forum I moderate. I'm just saying that those that were posting with JT and Zeshua are on this site and will debate Cipher and his accusations.

 

 

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OvrLrd,

 

They could do so easily, but I really don't think that anyone here deserves to have any law enforcement official tracking them down. This would require the agents prying into areas that really arent "my" business.

Absolutely 100% right on. Law enforcement does, indeed, have tools that the average person doesn't have access to. Along with the right to use those tools comes the responsibility to use them only for legitimate purposes, under the direction of their supervisors and following the audit trail guidelines that allow them to retrace use of those tools back to the person who used them, when, why, who the target was and who authorized the activity.

 

The public trusts law enforcement (and government in general) to do the right thing and any violation of that public trust requires appropriate disciplinary measures.

 

A lot of the audit trail is built into the computer security systems...and the trails are routinely audited. Activities as innocuous as surfing the Net with no legitimate purpose is cause for discipline. "Private", unauthorized record checks and spying are cause for dismissal, criminal and civil prosecution. If the illegal inquiries cross state lines (for instance through the use of the Internet) its possible that the US DOJ's Civil Rights unit would get involved. That's very bad news for the law enforcement officer. The unit is composed of US Attorneys and Federal law enforcement officers who spend most of their time procesuting law enforcement officers for civil rights violations.

 

They enforce Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 242 US Code:

 

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

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Mr. Cortez, I have no personal retaliation against you. As I mentioned in my first post, I am a cryptologist with a hobby of code breaking. I had no previous knowledge of this story beforehand. I came here with the simple intention of solving a 6-year mystery. I did not come here with the intention of selecting you. There were a number of other candidates that surfaced in my analysis, but all data strongly nominated you (and continues to do so). As my analysis furthered I unraveled some undesirable things. Namely 1, that you have broken the rules of the TTI forum by advertising and promoting your schemed Titor story in a disguising and concealing outfitted way as to draw attention to the younger more persuadable and easily influences crowd by taking on the personas of different posters with cloaked IP addresses.

 

Agreed rules for posting on TTI: http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/newuser.php?Cat=

 

Maybe all apply to you. This one in particular: Posts containing advertising and promotions are not welcomed and is grounds for immediate banning.

 

Namely 2, you continue with your personas to clearly show terrorist tendencies and intentions against western civilization. In which case NOBODY on this forum should be encouraging or supporting!

 

Mr. Cortez, I see it has been a race for you and your friends to erase data and evidence. Let me tell you it is a futile endeavor. Furthermore the readers of this forum should be a little wiser as to question 'why' you and the other players are trying to cover up this information. Or why Pamela Moore is erasing her involvment of the missing building.

 

You can see here Pamela deleted all her posts as of 5-1-06 (about the building missing in New York) in this thread: http://www.paranormalis.com/time-travelers/3392-you-guys-won-t-believe-it.html

 

For the record here are the 'original faxes' sent in by John Titor/Javier to Art Bells BBS:

 

FAX #1:

 

Dear Art,

 

I had to fax when I heard other time travelers calling in from any time past the year 2500 AD. Please let me explain.

 

Time travel was invented in 2034 off shoots of certain successful fusion reactor research allowed scientists at CERN to produce the worlds first contained singularity engine.

 

The basic design involves rotating singularities inside a magnetic feild. By altering the speed and direction of rotation you can travel both forward and backward in time.

 

Time itself can be understood in terms of connected lines. When you go back in time you travel on your original time line when you turn the singularity engine off a new time line is created due to the fact that you and your time machine are now there.

 

In other words a new universe is created. To get back to your original line you must travel a split second farther back and immediately throw the engine into forward without turning it off.

 

Some interesting outcomes of this are: You meet yourself. I have done it often. Even taken a younger version of myself along for a few rides before returning myself to the new timeline and going back to mine. You can alter history in the new universe that you have just created. Most of the time the changes are subtle. The oldest one was a sky scraper that don't exist in New York. Interestingly when you travel in time you must compensate for the orbit of the Earth since the time machine doesn't move you have to adjust the engine so you remain on the planet when you turn it off.

 

Now for the future you might want to know about. Y2K is a disaster. Many people die on the highways when they freeze to death trying to get to warmer weather. The government tries to keep power by instituting marshall law but all of it collapses when their efforts to bring the power back up fail. A few years later communial government system is developed after the constitution takes a few twists. China retakes Tiawan. Isreal wins the largest battle for their life and Russia is covered in Nuclear snow from their collapsed reactors.

 

....

 

FAX #2:

 

("Alright I wanted to read you something as I received it. It's from a time traveler." - Art says).

 

Dear Mr. Bell,

 

I am glad you 're back. I faxed this information to you the day before you left the air. I wanted to make sure it wasn't lost in the shuffle so I am sending a gift. If you've already seen this please accept my apologies. If you choose to make this public please do not publish the fax number. I had to fax when I heard the other time traveler calling in from the recent time past infact the year 2500 Ad.

 

Let me explain, Mr. Bell. I sent a fax with this opening on July 29 1998. As I said then I am a time traveler. I have been on this world line since April of this year and I plan to leave soon. Typically time travelers do not purposely affect the world lines they visit. However this mission is unusually long and I've grown attatched to some of the people I have met here.

 

("Isn't that the Stockholm syndrome or something?" - Art says).

 

Anyway. For my own reasons I have decided to help this world line by sharing information about the future with a few poeople in the hope that it will help their future. I am contacting you for the same reason. Unfortunately there is no historical reference to your program in my worldline.

 

I beleive you can change your future by creating one now.

 

Some of the information presented on your program maybe invaluable to upline researchers. I suggest you isolate the programs that concentrate on military technology and new physics theories. Transcribe these programs and put them someplace safe away from the box. I recommend someplace in the mid west.

 

("Away from the box? What does he mean?" - Art says).

 

I also urge you to reconsider your paranoia to the Russians.

 

("I am not paranoid about the Russians." - Art says).

 

They are not preparing for war with the average US citizen. They are preparing for war with the US government. They will eventually save this country and the lives of million of Americans.

 

I realize my claims are a bit difficult to accept so I will send the following once I know you have recieved this fax. A few pages from the operations manual of my time machine. And a few colored photographs of my vehicle.

 

("Alright so you know I got it. Send them along." - Art says).

 

If you wish to contact me I will be happy to share with you the nature of time, the physics of time travel and some of the events of your future.

 

("God I hadn't read this earlier." - Art says).

 

Please send a return package to...

 

("And he gives the number." - Art says).

Sosuemetoo, thank you for inviting me to your site, I strolled through it briefly and came across something interesting and I wanted to know why no interest was given to a particular post? It seems that nobody (players in particular) is interested in evidence that points to Javier. Neither do they 'really' have any valid clues or information to share other than hearsay. Yet they are quick to defend him and his innocence.

 

http://www.conspiracycafe.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2190&st=180

 

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[scott] Apr 26 2006, 04:01 AM

 

Yes I did Risata.

 

I'm more interested in the fact that he thinks that Zeshua was Javier.

 

He has put links there and one of them Leads to Javiers email being [email protected] When Zeshua emailed us it always came from 'Zeshua Alpha [[email protected]]'

 

'Zeshua Alpha" - "cortez alpha1". Hmmm , Interesting!

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I TTA, have not now nor ever been anyone else here on the TTI forum or other TT forums other then the TTA, posts made by another name and or if not signed by the TTA, are not mine.

Mr. Cortez, *clapping my hands* I must say splendidly prevaricating and mendacious! :D The most mischievous LIARS are those who keep sliding on the verge of truth. If you were so interested in your inocence than you were very careless as to leave us clues that you are Titor. Clues like your IP address 68.70.221.173 that is registered to Santa Monica CA "Orange" County. Titor mentioned how he loved Oranges as one of his favorite foods and his father sold Oranges down the (fibbed) Florida coast. What a ironic coincidence that you are from ORANGE COUNTY CA. Does this logo ring a bell? http://members.aol.com/kennykao/ocseal.gif

 

It is not my desire that you have taken this path it is your own. I am sorrowfully regretful for your mistakes. I have not singled you out as you (and your players) would like others to believe. Therefore, I have turned this case over to harsher discriminators who will take it from here.

 

And for the record let me make this clear that I did not spy on anyone or invade anyones privacy. Neither did I come anywhere near encroaching upon the US privacy act! Yes I do work for a agency that utilizes my programs. I did a analysis based on my own program (that I created at home in my own time) and several other websites on the Internet and on the Time Travel Institute forum. The information that I posted is mainly from here and obtained through the supplied search engine. There is plenty of information "right here" on TTI alone that ties this case up. Any and all information that I have curtailed has come from other "donating" sources. I have nothing to do with the persecution of any individual, I only gather information and pass it on.

 

Good day sir, and good luck

 

 

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That's all very fascinating… but your game of connect-the-dots has been a waste of time Cipher, and it ends NOW!

 

I am not JT, nor anyone else besides the TTA.

 

The original posters can attest to this, there is no way I can be JT.

 

Your analysis has failed to prove this to be the case, other then to show a connection if you close your eyes and use your imagination and try hard enough, perhaps you too can believe.

 

Now, I'm giving you the opportunity to cease your exploitation of the TTA. Your superiors will be made aware of your actions if you choose to continue this vigilante approach.

 

TTA

 

 

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It seems that nobody (players in particular) is interested.

 

Darby, are you a player?

 

I know I am not!

 

That is an accusation, from a person, that intends to tell us what we are.

 

I know for a fact that there was several government employees are the original posts.

 

I fail to see where they are players also.

 

Posters, yes, players, get a brain, and get a life. It ain't gonna happen, here.

 

Intimidation went out a long time ago on this time traveler stuff.

 

 

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This message goes out to Pamela M. There is no need to reply, I know you'll read this eventually.

 

Hi Pam,

 

It's been many years since we last spoke, and I just wanted to say that I am very proud of you and of Darby being character witnesses of the TTA, and of my arch nemesis JT. Your efforts have assisted in foiling this Evildoer's (Cipher) sinister plot against the TTA, of pinning the JT story on me. And for that, I am very thankful.

 

It's common knowledge to many of the original posters; You know, Darby knows, and even I know, there is NO possible way I am JT, nor anyone else for that matter.

 

His analysis proved nothing ultimately, a lot of smoke and mirrors, giving only false hope of a connection to a lot of the new comers to this tired old JT story.

 

Further more, I'd like to apologize for the many years of name calling and ridicule I put you through. The years apart from posting have given me time to reflect on my behavior, and I am truly sorry.

 

Well, keep up the great work.

 

I still strongly believe you are Wonderwoman ;).

 

TTA

 

 

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Is that it? Wonderwoman???? thats the song only JT and Pam know, I love that song, da da da, wonderwoman!

 

"and of my arch nemesis JT." Your arch nemesis, hmmmm.

 

:Further more, I'd like to apologize for the many years of name calling and ridicule I put you through. The years apart from posting have given me time to reflect on my behavior, and I am truly sorry.:

 

this part I find interestin', you apologizing for ridiculing and name calling, yet thats exactly what cipher is doing. Calling you a name and ridiculing you for not admitting it.

 

Ha.........

 

ps:why not send pam a private message instead of posting this to the world, your intentions here seem very unclear and maybe as if you have some hidden agenda.

 

 

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Greetings RenUnconscious, I don't believe we have been introduced.

 

Obviously you know me... though I yet, know you.

 

this part I find interestin', you apologizing for ridiculing and name calling, yet thats exactly what cipher is doing. Calling you a name and ridiculing you for not admitting it.

 

Ha.........

"Not admitting it" what-what?

 

Maybe it's just me, but I didn't get that last message. What are you trying to say?

 

ps:why not send pam a private message instead of posting this to the world, your intentions here seem very unclear and maybe as if you have some hidden agenda.

Perhaps you have not been reading the postings on Sue's forum, or else you would know that they have their own thread on the very same subject being discussed here.

 

So let me make my intentions clear to you, since you want to know.

 

The rationale why I posted it here, instead of on there, is because I could have waited 48 hrs. to get clearance from the administrator to be allowed access to the forum. Or I could have waited 48 hrs. to find out I was denied access. The TTA does not have the best of luck on other people's forums.

 

I suppose I could have logged on here and sent it through PM, which did seem like a better idea to me. But I doubt she would have logged on anytime soon to read it, since she doesn't appear to post here that frequently. So I figured, since she has no problem publicly telling the "world" that "Javier is not JT" and just posted today in response to my post to Cipher, I figured why not just post it here. More than likely my message will be read soon. Not to mention, Cipher knows that Pamela knew JT very personally, and did not like the TTA one bit. Who better to discredit Ciphers claims than her?

 

Plus I wanted to commend Pam and Darby publicly for being really great people in all of this that's transpired. They have always treated the TTA with the utmost of respect; regardless of the countless times I have ridiculed them over the years for their continued involvement with the JT story. I especially wanted to apologize to Pamela for hurting her feelings, it was not fair nor right for me to do that. You're a fine young lady Pam, and I hope you find your truth someday.

 

TTA

 

 

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Hello again nitescott,

 

Bytheway, your troll is hilarious and scary at the same time :) "How does it know?" j/k.

 

Your question:

 

Why do you refer to yourself as "the TTA", like the third person?

This question has been asked of me many times before (and perhaps never answered to anyone's satisfaction). If you do a search for "third person" you'll find some of the TTA's most heated posts, with others stating their annoyance with the "third person" approach.

 

I'll attempt to paint a picture of why the TTA speaks the way he does; and hopefully it will help answer your question; or perhaps leave you with many more.

 

Very briefly: The TTA is a man of deep spiritual receptivity. My many years of rigorous training in the Martial Arts as a young man, the hours I would spend in deep meditation, I believe it's helped hone my ability to conquer this corporeal shell, and advance to a higher plane of existence. The visions, the dreams and the manifestations, have in someway allowed my already innate psychic abilities to tap into a grander scheme of reality. This drive alone to something else, something bigger, is countered by an internal force that will not let go; a compassion for humanity known as the Time Travel Activist. The TTA was born out of the dread of the lies and deceit, that Time Travel, Aliens and New Agers could potentially employ to humanity. The ends to this, their end results, do not justify the means.

 

"There has got to be a better way, an ethical way!" the TTA said.

 

As the TTI's (possibly the world's) first ever TTA, I made it my mission to propose ethics in Time Travel, and it's ramifications on the human soul. I discussed New Age aspects to this as well, how it's principles of advancement and pursuits of awareness would ignore the dangers to Time Travel, and ultimately leave many open to accept it as a viable shortcut to this state of being. I further discussed Alien's and their involvement to manipulate and exploit humanity, genetically & spiritually. Somehow, selling out humanity, simply to produce a more vibrant spiritual crop seemed wrong to me. Especially by means of Time Travel.

 

My own temporal experiences along with the manifestations of numerical synchronicity and auditory manifestations, and phasing, would be the driving force behind the TTA for the next 3 yrs.

 

Though young and strong willed, I did the best I could to get the message across. And regardless to this, I went as far as I could. I don't anticipate I will be posting for very long after I cut the loose ends in this thread of deceit. Perhaps someday, another TTA will emerge and continue the fight I started.

 

Only time will tell what we do today, makes any difference tomorrow and ultimately to the future affairs we will someday vote for in our old age. (IMO)

 

TTA

 

 

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Case solved, this settles it for me!!

 

Dots, dots and more dots!! There are just to many dots for the liking!!

 

I have seen Javier's posts and I really think he is totally transparent now. He's not fooling anyone anymore. Rainmantime has done an admirable job with him and, I think, totally exposed his madness.

 

Javier must be in a total tizzy!! He has closed his website and Pam has deleted her posts. AFAIC he can continue to keep gulling us saying that he is not Titor all he wants, but his words resemble the wings of an ostrich.

 

It's pretty obvious that Javier has several usernames and is not subjected to the same rules that the rest of us are. He tells us that he was TimeTravelActivist (TTA 3rd person) and Enforcer of Time. LOL if there is no stopping him at two usernames, what has stopped him at the others Cipher has included. At this point its plain to see that he weaves such a web of deception and lies. AFAIC what Cipher said in his first post still makes logical sense after how Javier just exsplained his motive for creating the TTA

 

Whatever else the story has done, maybe there is a deeper matter as well. A higher purpose that the writer almost certainly intended. Which is to show that we're all vulnerable to the glamour of Time Travel. The whole point is to feel its pull and then reject it. That's why it was compulsory for the TimeTravelActivist to fashion a dual character.

IMHO, Cipher had a better handle on who Javier was and it wouldnt surprise me that he has more information than he openly shared.

I, for one, want to throw up at Javiers "feigned concern" about the state of the world and can not stand even reading his stupid material anymore. His story has the desperate jauntiness of an orchestra fiddling away for dear life on a sinking ship. He has become like a prostitute, but now it's gotten ridiculous, to the point where he will do anything humanly possible to make money.

 

Darby has made a strange change. Maybe his website needs some beefing up. I usually respected what he had to say though we never really had any dialogue. It seems like he has fallen into this rut with the whole Titor thing and has become somewhat of a spokesperson about it. He is another one that tries to assert his authority. IMO he isn't fit for dog patrole!!

 

I believe that devious things are happening in the background here at TTI, probably for the obvious reasons, greed, ego, and just plain evil thinking.

 

Cipher is determined and pretty thorough. He certainly raised the hackles of Darby, and Darby did not handle himself very well. He went down a couple of notches in my estimation. Truth does that to people. Cipher may not be totally correct and may be stretching it in a couple of spots, but the material is well put together. The pit has been stirred. I can just picture Javier pacing back and forth and trying to figure out a way to get back into legend status (as if he ever was!!). Imagine him saying that he was already a legend as the TTA and didn't need to be a legend as John Titor. What an over inflated ego!!

 

Yep sayonara bubs and better luck next time!!

 

 

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Scannell,

 

It's pretty obvious that Javier has several usernames and is not subjected to the same rules that the rest of us are. He tells us that he was TimeTravelActivist (TTA 3rd person) and Enforcer of Time. LOL if there is no stopping him at two usernames, what has stopped him at the others Cipher has included. At this point its plain to see that he weaves such a web of deception and lies. AFAIC what Cipher said in his first post still makes logical sense after how Javier just exsplained his motive for creating the TTA

Very well, it is your choice to believe whichever aspect of the story you wish to believe.

 

I simply thought I clear the air and tell my side as sincerely as I could.

 

Cipher has no problem pinning this on me, so either I am damned if I do, and damned if I don't -admit the truth.

 

I, for one, want to throw up at Javiers "feigned concern" about the state of the world and can not stand even reading his stupid material anymore. His story has the desperate jauntiness of an orchestra fiddling away for dear life on a sinking ship. He has become like a prostitute, but now it's gotten ridiculous, to the point where he will do anything humanly possible to make money.

Though you take interest in the story of a hoaxer like JT, and believe blindly the biased analysis of Cipher over the clear admissions of those who knew him.

 

Fine, perhaps you should write it's book review too on Amazon when it comes out, it's obvious you've read it as well.

 

Cipher is determined and pretty thorough. He certainly raised the hackles of Darby, and Darby did not handle himself very well. He went down a couple of notches in my estimation. Truth does that to people.

It's so nice of you to be keeping score like that Scannell. However, perhaps it was not such a good idea to come out with blazing gun's and saddles, lashing out at Darby on this your first post here. Impetuous young lad, you have much to learn.

 

I can just picture Javier pacing back and forth and trying to figure out a way to get back into legend status (as if he ever was!!). Imagine him saying that he was already a legend as the TTA and didn't need to be a legend as John Titor. What an over inflated ego!!

I find this very humorous Scannell. Why would I care whether I am a legend or not? It makes no difference to the TTA. There is a big difference in that I did not self appoint my self that title, vs. one attempting to obtain it. I could care less!

 

But you hang around here for awhile though, this is your first post, but once you start racking them up, you'll also get a nice little title like the TTA's flashy new one "Newbie."

 

Wear it with pride, at this rate it may be the only title you hope to get.

 

TTA

 

 

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Proposal For A New Thread

 

TTA,

 

With regard to the following observations/opinions you shared earlier on:

 

In brief: Time Travel is so much more different and significant then our current technological applications. It's consequential potential is often times missed and ignored in the awe of it's great capability, and of the delusions of instant gratification it can bring. Some may argue, that speaking against it, would be no different then those who's lack of tolerance for embracing the novel concepts like Galileo's Theory of the world being round or of Darwin's Theory of Evaluation once received. All of which were highly criticized. Today, it's Stem Cell research, Cloning & Time Travel.

 

However, one cannot categorize Time Travel along with the theory that the world is round or that we evolved from lower species. Or can we? Let us play 'Devil's Advocate' for a moment and look at this. These theories were both new concepts at a time, much how Time Travel is for us today. And yet, all have harmed our past, and affected the outlook of our future.

 

But did knowing and comprehending these new theories make us better people, more tolerant and acceptable to new idea's and possibilities? In a sense, but we could not put the genie back in the bottle. And despite the sophistication and advancement of what we now knew, our tolerance and acceptability was and still is the last to evolve. Truth, not necessarily thrusts a society forwards, sometimes it must take a few steps back, to then move forward. But for those concepts that were once deemed heresy to religion driven societies, we would not be here today had we not defied convention and colonized America. However, we all know history; the great sacrifices that were made, the people we hurt along the way, and the lies we told. But truth or no truth; we were justified to do what we must, to get where we wanted to, and accomplish what we wanted.

 

But, are we now any different?

 

With our evolved insight into the 21st Century, do we still stand to repeat and justify radicalism again?

 

Do we tempt faith, and change the past and the future with Time Travel?

 

It's not a question of if we do, but when we do it?

 

The point I am making here is: Given our history and human tendencies for conquering and acquiring great power and knowledge; should any sentient being have exclusive command of Time, and complete discretion to determine alterations of the time line? Would this not complicate the mechanics of the universe, destroy the very essence of our being, crumble the foundation we had originally advanced from to ultimately play God?

I attempted to enagage you in a debate on these thoughts; however, I agree it may not have been an effective attempt since it was co-mingled with the personality questions I was posing to you.

If you are truly interested in an honest debate over these issues (and NOT simply another war of judging each other's personal traits or potential "issues"), then I would propose to begin another thread on The Ethics Of Time Travel. Consider it an olive branch (of sorts), even if I do not agree with the conclusions you draw with respect to these issues.

 

If you agree, I would be happy to begin the thread with your thoughts above, and some counter-points that I would make to them.

 

Regards,

 

RMT

 

 

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RMT,

 

If you are truly interested in an honest debate over these issues (and NOT simply another war of judging each other's personal traits or potential "issues"), then I would propose to begin another thread on The Ethics Of Time Travel. Consider it an olive branch (of sorts), even if I do not agree with the conclusions you draw with respect to these issues.

I appreciate this kind gesture Ray, and I accept your offer. Though it has been many years since my temporal gears have turned, perhaps I have it in me for one more thread on this topic.

 

If you agree, I would be happy to begin the thread with your thoughts above, and some counter-points that I would make to them.

However, I am hesitant to begin the debate on the ethics of Time Travel as the post above as my only premise (since I posted it in a hurry). So rather then end up forfeiting and handing you the debate on that alone, allow me to give it some thought, and lay it out so we can have a proper comprehensive debate. I will let you know through PM soon.

 

kind regards,

 

TTA

 

 

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Re: Proposal For A New Thread

 

TTA,

 

However, I am hesitant to begin the debate on the ethics of Time Travel as the post above as my only premise (since I posted it in a hurry). So rather then end up forfeiting and handing you the debate on that alone, allow me to give it some thought, and lay it out so we can have a proper comprehensive debate. I will let you know through PM soon.

Fine by me. Just go ahead and begin the thread whenever you are ready.

I guess I could point out (and perhaps even give you a "leg up") that I see as a major theme of this debate as being choices about how one uses technology (i.e. any technology can certainly be used for "good" as well as "evil"). At least this is one area where I will focus my discussion, but I will certainly look forward to your extensions and clarifications in your formal thread.

 

RMT

 

 

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You can see here Pamela deleted all her posts as of 5-1-06 (about the building missing in New York) in this thread:

Keep in mind - it says "building" not "buildings".

 

After all of these six years since Titor/TTO started posting and all of the posts stating that he got a "hit" on this one - no one that I can recall - has made the connection based on the date of the fax.

 

The fax was originally sent to Art Bell on 12-OCT-1998... 5 years after the first attack on the WTC. No one has ever said, hey, he was saying that on the other "world" they succeeded in destroying the building.

 

This was probably not a prediction about the future (September 2001). It was more likely a statement about the past (October 1998).

 

 

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Scannell,

 

It's pretty obvious that Javier has several usernames and is not subjected to the same rules that the rest of us are. He tells us that he was TimeTravelActivist (TTA 3rd person) and Enforcer of Time.

There's a bit of history concerning this board that you might not be aware of - so to help clear up some of your questions about multiple personallities I'll re-tell the history:

 

In 2000, when TimeTravel_0 started posting the forum was a free-for-all. Anyone could log on anonymously and create a UserID on the spot without registering. Members could also register multiple accounts because no one was actively policing such activity. Dimenzionz was the moderator but he was rarely around after Raul moved the forum from the old host in 1999. And at that time the user IP was not visible.

 

Many regular members, including Javier and Dan (Creedo) were using multiple UserID's. They made no attempt to disguise who they were. We knew who they were. You'll notice that I have only 622 posts logged. That's because I was logging on anonymously as "Darby" in 2000 and early 2001.

 

We also had several trolls who were using not only multiple ID's but they were also using regular member's ID's.

 

In 2001 Raul changed the TOS agreement to the extent that only one ID was allowed, anonymous login was discontinued and IP's were publicly displayed.

 

This closed several loopholes in the system.

 

 

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Re: Proposal For A New Thread

 

Creedo,

 

Ciper, if you going to start questioning people, why not start with Rainman time.

 

He was here at TTI, posted, but then went back and erased all of his old post.

 

Call him on the carpet.

Dan, my friend, this is a subject that you probably don't want to harp on too much. As we both know, there was at least one person that you didn't name in this post who once upon a time erased and/or altered (into nonsense statements) over 225 posts in a single night. Those edits were made days to months after the posts were originally put up and after they had been responded to at length. It pretty much made a mess of the forum, didn't it? And the topic of those posts was "John Titor".

 

Because of that incident the forum Admins locked out all poster editing privileges for two years. Only Mods and Admins were allowed to edit a post once it was submitted.

 

Don't get me wrong re. Pamela, BTW. She knows better and she absolutely should not have deleted the posts. She deleted the first post in the thread that she started weeks after it was made - and after many pages of debate. She did that once before...deleted the first post on a thread...and we lost the entire thread. It disappeared because it no longer had a start point.

 

 

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