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Re: MORE SPIN CYCLE!

 

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You are just handing me bogus information to make you look even more foolish, aren't you? First of all, it is spelled "thermite", but more important than your misspelling is your lying... or, if I wanted to be nice, I would gently suggest that you have bought into SPIN that ALEX Jones stated, NOT Steven Jones! I know with a challenged mind like yours it might be difficult to keep the two Joneses straight, and what they are saying.

 

More spin!!!

 

Now as usual the spin master has to try to show us all he knows everything. But I have been trying to show you all just what he's all about. Lets take a look at the word he said I misspelled : Thermate lets see what that word really means and how to spell it.

 

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Thermate, or Thermate-TH3, is an incendiary compound primarily used for military applications. Because of the similarity in names, thermate is sometimes confused with one of its components, thermite.

 

Thermate is a mixture of thermite and pyrotechnic additives which have been found to be superior to standard thermite for incendiary purposes. Its composition by weight is generally thermite 68.7%, barium nitrate 29.0%, sulphur 2.0% and binder 0.3%. Addition of barium nitrate to thermite increases its thermal effect, creates flame in burning and significantly reduces the ignition temperature.

 

Thermate is used in incendiary hand grenades.

 

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermate"

 

As you can see the Spin Master has spun again. Nice try Ru Ru!! Now for someone who thinks he knows it all, how come you did'nt know something as simple as this? Now who has the challenged mind? One must wonder if he knows anything at all.

 

 

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Lets take a look at the word he said I misspelled : Thermate lets see what that word really means and how to spell it.

You know, I honestly didn't think you would take the bait, but you went for it hook, line, and sinker!

You see, given that you have ignored (and not responded) to EVERY SINGLE relevant technical point I have made so far, I had to lure you into actually addressing something I said by giving you a "carrot". So now you have been able to "prove me wrong". Wonderful. Applause all around the room? And oh, BTW, I will readily admit that I was wrong about thermite and its relationship to thermate.

 

But now that you had addressed my issue, you must address it fully. By that I mean I want you to produce evidence to back your claim that Steven Jones tested WTC samples and found thermate (or even if he found thermite, I'd accept that too!). You have addressed the issue of me being wrong about the thermite (the simple, pedestrian issue) because you were looking for ANY chance to prove me wrong. Now let's see you handle the bigger issue of proving me wrong that Steven Jones actually tested WTC samples and found thermate/thermite.

 

If you don't answer this will reveal your SPIN even more, and add another unanswered/unsupported claim to the list of items in this thread related to your 9-11 conspiracy theory.

 

As you can see the Spin Master has spun again. Nice try Ru Ru!! Now for someone who thinks he knows it all, how come you did'nt know something as simple as this? Now who has the challenged mind? One must wonder if he knows anything at all.

I know a lot of things that you apparantly have ignored and avoided discussing...technical things. Now that you have decided to address thermate/thermite let's see how much you know about the "testing" Steven Jones actually did. I know exactly what he did, and it is NOT what you have SPUN it into! :) You whipped out that Wikipedia reference on thermate in short order. Let's see you find evidence where Steven Jones claims he tested WTC samples!

Prediction by RMT: This will also fall by the wayside and Peepo will be eerily silent and not be able to provide proof for his claim.

 

RMT

 

 

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You know, I honestly didn't think you would take the bait, but you went for it hook, line, and sinker!

 

You see, given that you have ignored (and not responded) to EVERY SINGLE relevant technical point I have made so far, I had to lure you into actually addressing something I said by giving you a "carrot". So now you have been able to "prove me wrong". Wonderful. Applause all around the room? And oh, BTW, I will readily admit that I was wrong about thermite and its relationship to thermate.

 

Ok lets see if I can get this right oh great spinster. You say this is some kind of bait that you put fourth so you could " get me into actually addressing something " I must say this is to most pathetic spin you have done to date!!! I think everyone here can see that. First you say: "I honestly didn't think you would take the bait, but you went for it hook, line, and sinker!" and then you totaly contradict yourself by saying: "I will readily admit that I was wrong about thermite and its relationship to Thermate". Need I say more? As stated when all of this began, im not here to explain anything about 9-11. Im here to proove how incompetent you are and how you spin things. I must say oh spinster you have proven my point quit well. And with this pathetic attempt to redeem yourself you've proven my point even further. How sad you are. And we are to believe you are smart?

 

 

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As stated when all of this began, im not here to explain anything about 9-11.

That is exceedingly obvious.

Great, so that wraps this up. Let's summarize:

 

You have no real evidence that explosives brought down the WTC towers, and thus cannot prove that it was "an inside job." Your inability to support your claims in this thread makes it clear.

 

And I could care less about what you were trying to show about me. It has been clearly established your conspiracy theory is junk science, and that YOU, my friend, are the subject of some of the most evil spin there is in the world today!

 

Thanks for your cooperation in this little debunking effort.

 

RMT

 

 

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And I could care less about what you were trying to show about me. It has been clearly established your conspiracy theory is junk science, and that YOU, my friend, are the subject of some of the most evil spin there is in the world today!

 

Spinster spinster slow down little guy!!! No one ever said that I did not have proof, but you. As usual you are spinning things yet again. I have proved some things here but when myself or anyone tries to explain anything you'll just say it's wrong or you know better. So you see spin master when you can't except anyones opinion or proof of anything you will just say its junk science. I hate to tell you this little spinster but this makes you look even more foolish. Try to control yourself.

 

 

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Spin, spin, spin!

 

I have proved some things here but when myself or anyone tries to explain anything you'll just say it's wrong or you know better. So you see spin master when you can't except anyones opinion or proof of anything you will just say its junk science.

You've proven nothing except you are subject to junk science. Even Darby has shown that...albeit in a much nicer way than I have. But the result is the same, no matter whether it was the good cop or bad cop.

RMT

 

 

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You've proven nothing except you are subject to junk science. Even Darby has shown that...albeit in a much nicer way than I have. But the result is the same, no matter whether it was the good cop or bad cop.

 

Spin Master stop it your going to blow a gasket!! Darby hasn't proven anything. The only person here that has proven anything is you. You have proved that your not a know it all but that your a Spin Master. And you continue to show this every time you respond to me oh great spinster.

 

 

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You know I wasn't going to say anything but You are so right about Rainman. I had a run in with the guy myself. Good Job!!! I can see what your saying about him spinning things all the time. He should change his name to Spin Master. I just love the way Tikmovado started all of this. But where is he now? :) :)

 

 

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Ren, what a traitor, you bite the hand that feeds you credible knowledge!! :(

 

It's been some vacation and I'm back on the trail as the ole broncobuster!!

 

OMG, you guys are the most pathetic conspiracy theorist as of yet!! LOL, you inconclusive idiots actually believe that those goat brain terrorists had the 'time' to plant bombs while they where flying planes into the WTC?? If that were the case then why even fly planes into the buildings??

 

You guys are clueless idiots!!

 

Hmmm, lets see, we have Tik (or is it Vincent) who is the most moronic gamer on the internet that I have ever seen!! If he does fight, its probably only in cyberville!! :)

 

And Peepo and Keke, well well if it isn't Javier and Pammy poo again with cloaked IP's!! Haa haa, you guys are the biggest losers EVER!! http://www.imdb.com/gallery/mptv/1386/Mptv/1386/3265_0143.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Ryan,%20Irene Who gives a dookie what youre trying to argue about (in this thread) if the WTC had additional bombs planted within it or not, its obvious that your main objective here (and right now) is to live'n up this forum and bring back lost business and wages to a sinking web site and Titor story. Because its my estimation that its only the Titor players left posting. The ratings on this forum fell WAY down, and you know its got to be pretty bad when Creedos not even posting anymore!! Even Darby's been in full swing trying to restart what was lost after Cipher posted the 'Dual Language Diagnosis Of John Titor' and cracked wide open the identity of Group Titor, namely Javier and Pammy and possibly Gary Voss (who is right up there with that crackpot Richard Hoagland and his offbeat nonsense) and of course the Darbster himself who has flung more Titor dung than anyone could possible hurl in a lifetime every which known direction possible!!

 

Its seemingly apparent that after Ray foiled Javier and Pammy poos scheme, they are now out for revenge to settling an old score in which Javier was badly maimed by Ray.

 

Its astonishing how Javier 'as himself' peeped back into this thread after a short disappearance. He probably ranted off to release some anger and aggression and meet up with some of his old buds from the psycho cyber combat website, namely Tik (Vincent). LOL, Javier cant fight his own wars so he has to gather the washrag posse and whip them over here -- here sooey sooey sooey!! :P

 

 

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Guys,

 

Several pages back I twice made comments along the lines of "And this has what to do with time travel?" I gave up to some extent and engaged Peepo in a discussion about the physics behind a jetliner crash into the WTC - without resorting to personal attacks.

 

Admittedly, I'm not a Mod here. Roel is the Mod but he hasn't been around for many months. That being said, I also have to add that I communicate with Raul (MOP) on an infrequent basis. Maybe once or twice every four months.

 

The last time that we had a flame war going on (about four months ago) Raul was somewhat less than amused. He rarely posts and as I recall he didn't post his thoughts then. Still he was not a happy camper/site owner. Forewarned is forearmed. He has every right to shut the serrver down without notice. With both the flame wars going and the fact that his wife's name was dragged into the Titor Saga he was ready to pull the plug without notice.

 

I don't know how many of the new members here (who are engaged in the battle) are or have been regulars on other TT sites. If you haven't then here's a clue: look around - one by one they are shutting down or have simply become ghost towns. TTI is just about the last active dedicated TT site. I've been a member here for almost six years and I do not want to see this site follow the rest into "history".

 

The point? If it's not obvious then I'll just say it - knock it off with the flaming and personal attacks. Here are Raul's personal words on the subject in his sticky thread at the top of the list in Time Travel Discussions - "The Topic of Discussion Here Is...":

 

...Time Travel. So talk about Time Travel. If you're upset because someone isn't making sense or is posting nonsense... well, surprise... the entire concept of Time Travel is nonsense right now! Deal with it.

 

Personal attacks - on any side, for any reason - will not be tolerated. Conversations that are off topic will not be tolerated. Repeated anti-social behavior will result in your account being deleted, your IP address banned, and if it continues, your ISP will be contacted (I've done it before, and I'll do it again).

 

Don't send me messages if you don't like the way someone is talking to you or someone disagrees with your point of you. I assume you're older than 8 years old and can handle it like an adult. If you cannot comport yourself like an adult, then go away. If you want to have a fight with someone, take it elsewhere.

 

Thank you,

 

Raul

 

For the regular members (including old members who have recently returned wioth a new SN) the solution is simple: don't flame and don't respond to flames...period. Talk about the topic at hand and abide by the TOS rules. This act alone should put an end to the war - and keep this site up and running.

 

If anyone (regulars or newbies) just has to have a fight, well, Raul has another solution...take it elsewhere.

 

 

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You have made very good points in your post, Darby.

 

It is possible to have a debate WITHOUT resorting to personality bashing or name calling.

 

Some of us ARE here to learn and understand. To have this site vanish into oblivion would be a great loss to many.

 

I know that in trying to discuss the same concepts as presented here, elsewhere, is usually scorned and I receive the sideways "you are insane" glance. At least within these hallways, some people will accept the principles of wanting to know more, and use the opportunity to grow and progress.

 

It is good to get these thoughts and ideas out in the open, to reflect these ideals with others who also are on a similar path of possible understanding, and to adjust any thoughts accordingly if someone elses thoughts seem more appropriate as one travels onward.

 

It is ok to have a difference of opinion, to see something differently than someone else, and then present supporting data if there is a difference of opinion, allowing the others to ponder the facts presented and reach a conclusion.

 

I also like to be challenged on any concepts I am pondering, to be able to take a hard look at them, and evaluate these concepts from anothers perspective.

 

Many of us here, do want more than a one-liner that disputes any claims? How many of these threads end up following the Monty Python Arguement sketch ?

 

Once the name calling begins, any points brought up in those posts lose impact they otherwise may have had.

 

 

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Once the name calling begins, any points brought up in those posts lose impact they otherwise may have had.

I agree with you OvLrdLegion.

 

But, what do you suggest we do about it?

 

Put those culprits who are quick to anger & who start name calling on notice?

 

I can only imagine what that's going to do for next season?

 

After all, name calling & discrediting any difference of opinion and/or claim, is what some do best around here.

 

And anyone who doesn't allow them selves to be bullied & shut up by this approach, as we have seen on this thread & in others, clearly shows an example of who & what the real problem on this forum really is.

 

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." J.F.K.

 

TTA

 

 

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Javier,

 

And anyone who doesn't allow them selves to be bullied & shut up by this approach

Here's the rub. On an online forum it isn't possible to shout anyone down nor is it possible to bully them - unless they allow it to occur.

 

Only one person at a time can post and only one person at a time can respond. Unlike a live forum where several voices can drown out a single voice, on an Internet forum there are no actual voices. However what tends to occur is that once a written challenge is issued someone (or several people) get their tail feathers in a dither and feel that their "manhood" (or womanhood) is being challenged. They conclude that they are obligated to respond in kind - and so they do.

 

But what people don't consider is the obvious: that the site, not the individual, is under assault and that the intent is to bring down the site itself - not the individual.

 

And that's what I want the regulars to consider. Are the initiators of the flame wars intending to discredit the individuals or is it their intent to bring down the site itself?

 

I'm not going to offer an opinion. I can only say that the best way to make sure that the latter doesn't occur is to consider the source (usually a relatively new member) and to consider responses accordingly.

 

Yes, I know that there are many regular members who frequently engage in heated debate with other regular members. There's a big difference, however, between that sort of debate and a debate with a new member. The regulars know each other and even though they might engage in heated debate in public they oft times have a back channel communication (email or PM for instance) where they privately draw reasonable lines. You and I, for instance, have done just that more than once. I've done so with many people. Our agreed upon intent has been to offer divergent and well defended opinions on a single subject for the benefit of the audience. That's perfectly legitimate and no one is going to complain. .

 

I'm not generally attacking new members in saying this. We need new membership. Not all new members have appeared to have come onto the forum to be chaotically disruptive. But I'm asking you and the other regulars to consider that it might be possible that they are being drawn into conflict by some new members who have alternative motives - that their motives might have less to do with the obvious topic at hand than they have to do with being generally disruptive for malicious purposes.

 

The long and the short of it is to simply ignore the disruption and only respond to new members in a neutral fashion (and save the heat for those members whom you trust to have seasoned and thick skins :)).

 

 

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I agree with you OvLrdLegion. But, what do you suggest we do about it?

 

Put those culprits who are quick to anger & who start name calling on notice?

We do have the ability to select our words. As Darby pointed out, we can make a choice on how we respond, and to whom. I, too, have fallen into the trap of getting my "tail-feathers" ruffled, and felt that a strong response was necessary.

 

How many times have I edited my replies, each edit done as my emotional reaction(s) become calmer.

 

Some of the replies that have brought this discussion about, probably should have been completely ignored. They really didnt merit a response at all.

 

I believe that if the "ringers" didnt get any nibbles, they may have moved onto a different pond.

 

It would be nice to have an active moderator in place, but then that has its risks as well.

 

It may not be a perfect world, and yes, there is alot of hosility floating around, but that doesnt mean anyone needs to buy into it and contribute to its growth.

 

Accepting personal responsibility for ones own actions, and an awareness of what results may occur when specific action's are taken, is a reflection of one's own evolution...AND...........

 

 

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As for Art Bell, well Art Bell is a man of many secrets. Things that will shock his fans. Big mistake moving to where he moved.

 

Well it looks as if Qronos 16 was right about Art Bell, on Coast to Coast the last 2 weeks Art has said that his life is in great danger since moving to Manila. All because of some note someone wrote. And not to mention the very bad weather in that city.

 

 

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