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Sue,

 

Your response completely clears up the issue. "Group Zeshua" is not "Zeshua". The group is your own collection of members from CC.

 

Zeshua gave you permission to release the photos; Group Zeshua did not vote to deny you permission and you released the photos. Therefore you did not violate anyone's trust or a "promise" made by you to Zeshua when you released the photos because you already had Zeshua's permission to release the photos (not that Zeshua had any authority to give or deny you permission to release the copyrighted material of someone other than herself).

 

Thank you for the clarification. I hope that this satisfies Peter's concerns. I had no similar concern. I'm satisfied that you did nothing wrong (not that my opinion carries any particular weight).

 

 

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Sue,

 

When I said that I am satisfied that you did nothing wrong I should add that you didn't have to convince me of anything. Over the years you and I have had differing opinions on several issues but I have never doubted your sincerity. It never occured to me that you did something wrong by releasing the photos. I did assume that something had occured behind the scense that wasn't disclosed in your post on CC.net that convinced you that you had every right to release the photos. My post was intended to allow you the opportunity to fill in the blanks - which you did.

 

Again, thank you.

 

 

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"Group Zeshua" is not "Zeshua". The group is your own collection of members from CC.

Just want to clarify that "Group Zeshua" is a group of 6 that Zeshua stated she trusted enough to share certain information. The pictures are just some of what was shared. All 6 members happen to be members of CC.net.

 

It gets a bit confusing because many believe that Zeshua is actually a hoax that has been perpetrated by 3 or more individuals.... thus why Zeshua is sometimes called group Zeshua too.

 

Thank you for the clarification. I hope that this satisfies Peter's concerns. I had no similar concern. I'm satisfied that you did nothing wrong (not that my opinion carries any particular weight).

You're most welcome. I hope so as well.

 

 

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There are a great many tests in ones life. Those that test strength of will, those that test strength of character, and those that test strength of trust. Among these virtues, there is solace in our accomplishments. Among these virtues there is pride. Beyond these virtues, at the heart and soul of the matter, we find truth.

 

Amongst yourselves, you continue to search, but you have not found. That which you seek will be revealed to those who are accounted worthy. Let me say that again, only those worthy of the knowledge, responsible of their thoughts, regardless of their age or gender or personal beliefs, will have the truth revealed to them.

 

P; The years I had searched after I had heard of the story, have helped draw several conclusions as to your own legitimacy. For one so involved in the events on this very forum, so many years ago, you have never answered these questions. Because they are right to the truth of the entire debacle that you refer to as J.T. I already know what you have not answered. I only hope that you find your truth inside of you.

 

D; We speak again, often, my old friend. However, at one point you are speaking to my younger self, and I do not use this Identity. Be on the lookout, and try to be nice, I was never as brilliant as you.

 

P; You have passed where all others failed, but if you remember, I already told you that you would.

 

One is ready, I had hoped there would be more. Until you can open your mind to all possibilities, you will never truly be free.

 

 

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Pathetic!

 

What are you suggesting?

 

That the whole exercise has been some kind of reality game of 'temporal' survivor?

 

Zeshua, Always with the upper hand. 'The need to be disbelieved' The need to be believed and to deliver a message to a select few. Compliments shrouded in insults. Puzzles and mind games. Fake photo's and lies. People tried to connect with you and you ruined it!

 

The 'one' that I had the most fear for will be the one most hurt at the end of the day.

 

I will find you.

 

 

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D; We speak again, often, my old friend. However, at one point you are speaking to my younger self, and I do not use this Identity. Be on the lookout, and try to be nice, I was never as brilliant as you.

Heh. Oh, I wouldn't sell myself so short re. brilliance, you sly old fox. There's only one malchic here who has ever played a female (at times) and who also refered to Pamela and me as "P" and "D". ;)

 

 

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There are a great many tests in ones life. Those that test strength of will, those that test strength of character, and those that test strength of trust. Among these virtues, there is solace in our accomplishments. Among these virtues there is pride. Beyond these virtues, at the heart and soul of the matter, we find truth.

 

Amongst yourselves, you continue to search, but you have not found. That which you seek will be revealed to those who are accounted worthy. Let me say that again, only those worthy of the knowledge, responsible of their thoughts, regardless of their age or gender or personal beliefs, will have the truth revealed to them.

 

P; The years I had searched after I had heard of the story, have helped draw several conclusions as to your own legitimacy. For one so involved in the events on this very forum, so many years ago, you have never answered these questions. Because they are right to the truth of the entire debacle that you refer to as J.T. I already know what you have not answered. I only hope that you find your truth inside of you.

 

D; We speak again, often, my old friend. However, at one point you are speaking to my younger self, and I do not use this Identity. Be on the lookout, and try to be nice, I was never as brilliant as you.

 

P; You have passed where all others failed, but if you remember, I already told you that you would.

 

One is ready, I had hoped there would be more. Until you can open your mind to all possibilities, you will never truly be free.

Well, you gotta give her credit for one thing, anyway. Zeshua continues to stay firmly in character even after almost two and a half years. She has not swerved an iota from her original foci and interests, still concentrating on the "worthiness" of those who would receive the information she offers, and still seemingly obsessed with Pamela's role in the Titor saga.

 

Whose interests remain so steady and unswerving for 2.5 years? Who has ever seen an internet "hoax" go on for so long before, even despite losing the attention of virtually all interested parties?

 

- Peter

 

 

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Well, you gotta give her credit for one thing, anyway. Zeshua continues to stay firmly in character even after almost two and a half years.

You are very right. The very first post Z made was full of mistakes. First he built his own bridge into the past which was one way. When I pointed out any TCP connection (this website) requires BI-DIRECTIONAL communication he went back and EDITED his posts and changed his entire story.

 

And Z has been making mistakes and editing posts since then to fool people.

 

Whose interests remain so steady and unswerving for 2.5 years?

I really think anyone who believes in Z needs to talk to a doctor. Reading Z's posts will NOT improve your quality of life but talking to a doctor will.

 

 

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Whose interests remain so steady and unswerving for 2.5 years? Who has ever seen an internet "hoax" go on for so long before, even despite losing the attention of virtually all interested parties?

Well, for one thing, YOUR interests in the Zeshua hoax have certainly remained steady and unswerving for 2.5 years! Who has ever seen the promotion of an internet "hoax" go on for so long before, even despite losing the attention of virtually all interested parties? Peter, all one needs to do is go back and review your posts to observe that you have been the Zeshua cheerleader all along. Whenever the Zeshua hoax was dying or dead, you were always here to inject new life into it each and every time. And still you persist. It would be difficult for a reasonable person to NOT come to the conclusion that you have a vested interest in people believing Zeshua's hoax. There really are only two reasonable conclusions for your continued cheerleading:

 

a) You are one of the most gullible people alive, who still hopes Santa Claus could be real: or

 

b) You have some sort of vested interest in the story continuing to attract attention (and potential believers).

 

Given you are an "author" and authors have been known to go to all sorts of different lengths to attract attention to themselves and their work, a reasonable person would choose "b" over "a". But that is just speaking for reasonable people. I am sure there are plenty of other people who might actually enjoy your cheerleading, and still think there is a possibility Zeshua is real.

 

 

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Whose interests remain so steady and unswerving for 2.5 years? Who has ever seen an internet "hoax" go on for so long before, even despite losing the attention of virtually all interested parties?

Uhhh...John Titor? That one has gone on for over 6 1/2 years and it's basically lost steam.

 

Zeshua has admitted to having logged on to this site under another handle before "she" was Zeshua.

 

To answer the Q's regarding who is Zeshua, based on my previous post, I suggest that people "look it up". I'm not sure that the person whom I've provisionally identified as Zeshua is that poster but there is only one person who has posted here who has posed, at times, as a female and who has also referred to Pamela and me as "P" and "D".

 

 

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a) You are one of the most gullible people alive, who still hopes Santa Claus could be real: or

 

b) You have some sort of vested interest in the story continuing to attract attention (and potential believers).

How about the third option that he believes this should be given the benefit of the doubt. I believe a year or so back that you thought JT could be Darby or Pamela.

Instead of pointing fingers at people that are "available" (posting), how about helping us figure out who is the real Zeshua? Have you seen the pictures? Have you seen what's posted on CC.net? I invite you to look before you leap to conclusions. Start here: http://www.gatorskinboots.co.uk/board_forum/index.php?showtopic=12546 and here: http://www.gatorskinboots.co.uk/board_forum/index.php?showtopic=11185

 

 

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Uhhh...John Titor? That one has gone on for over 6 1/2 years and it's basically lost steam.

True, but JT doesn't continue to post or PM.

 

 

 

To answer the Q's regarding who is Zeshua, based on my previous post, I suggest that people "look it up". I'm not sure that the person whom I've provisionally identified as Zeshua is that poster but there is only one person who has posted here who has posed, at times, as a female and who has also referred to Pamela and me as "P" and "D".

I believe that Zeshua is merely attaching herself to the Titor Bandwagon. However she's been pretty consistent in calling you "old friend" since the beginning.
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To answer the Q's regarding who is Zeshua, based on my previous post, I suggest that people "look it up". I'm not sure that the person whom I've provisionally identified as Zeshua is that poster but there is only one person who has posted here who has posed, at times, as a female and who has also referred to Pamela and me as "P" and "D".

So, Are you referring to Creedo?

 

 

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Uhhh...John Titor? That one has gone on for over 6 1/2 years

Titor's participation in his own "hoax" lasted just five short months, from November 2000 to March 2001. In contrast, Zeshua has remained active for over two years, from February 2005 through the present. If they are both hoaxes, Zeshua's is far and away the more ambitious of the two.

 

I have received two emails from Zeshua explaining her "take" on the release of the photos. Unless she asks me not to in the next day or so, I will post the texts of those emails here so any remaining interested parties can keep abreast of the situation.

 

- Peter

 

 

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I have received two emails from Zeshua explaining her "take" on the release of the photos. Unless she asks me not to in the next day or so, I will post the texts of those emails here so any remaining interested parties can keep abreast of the situation.

Though her thoughts on the subject might be interesting, the only involvement that Zeshua could possibly have is if she states that ywo years ago she didn't give Sue permission to post the photos. If she doesn't state that then the rest is not her concern. The final release of the photos was up to Sue's group and is an internal matter for them.

 

And, of course, there's the issue of the copyrighted photos. Zeshua has no right to claim "foul" regarding the release of those photos. They're already on the Internet...which is where Zeshua appropriated them.

 

 

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nitescott,

 

So, Are you referring to Creedo?

Strange, yes? But Dan is the only person that I can recall who referred to me as "old friend" or "old pal" even on the phone, in PM and emails, who would play a female part on occassion and also referrs to Pamela and me, at times, as P & M.

 

Am I absolutely sold on this idea? No. I haven't dug any deeper that just below the surface. Though the Zeshua saga has been around for a couple of years it has never really grabbed my attention. For whatever reason I've simply found it to be boring, though I haven't spent much time reading the posts.

 

Dan is a bit more complex than a surface reading of his posts might suggest. Sometimes he's very lucid. Sometimes he's...well...a bit less than lucid. :) But that's the person who posts. The IRL person is much different than the poster.

 

But Zeshua uses The Cloak anonymous proxy so we don't know where she's posting from.

 

 

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Yes, yes yes. That of course would seem to be the obvious and reasonable conclusion, until you hear Zeshua's take, which puts a new and interesting twist on the whole story, at least IMO.

 

- Peter

 

Edit: Ok, so Zeshua has given me the go-ahead to share the emails mentioned above. One I have with me right now and can post herein, but the other is in my computer at home and will have to wait until later tonight for me to post here.

 

*****

 

 

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On 7/24/2007 at 11:01 AM, Zeshua Alpha wrote:

 

Peter,

 

The events transpiring in your time I have known about for quite a while. It was not unexpected, and therefore, not beyond a measure of my control. The release of the pictures is specifically what had brought me to this point in time. Hopefully now you understand the reason for half truths and deceits. I would like to explain the course of events as I understand them, so that you might have a better perspective as well.

 

After originally speaking of the pictures, I setup a sort of booby trap in which the one who would release the pictures would effectively hang themselves with their own rope. I distributed the pictures and watched as they appeared, this all happens rather quickly from my perspective. I had traced the time of a major breach and the origin and determined it to be from within the group. Therefore, of course you could not expect to receive an actual picture of the future, anything that could be construed as truly being from the future, or any knowledge of the future.

 

It was a test that certain individuals failed at, and quite miserably I might add. On more than one occasion I'd hinted to the persons of interest, and yet their word was not as strong as they had indicated.

 

It is always up to you my friend, to make your own choices, and stand by them. Please do not be concerned for my safety, as the pictures now floating about the Internet are by no means going to affect me personally. You might say that I used the group, but I prefer to think of it as a test of honor.

 

 

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I responded :

 

There was a vote that led up to all this. I;m not sure how much of this you know, so I'll review. The question of whether or not to release the photos was put to a vote among the six members of the group. X, Y, and Z originally voted no, while A, B, and C voted yes. At that time it was decided that the vote was a draw, so we shouldn't release the photos. Then a day or two later, due apparently to some stimuli I didn't witness, X changed her mind and decided to post the photos.

 

So although Y didn't raise the fuss I did, he was also against it.

 

I will ask again, though -- when you gave us the okay to release stuff in 2005, saying "The Choice of whether, when, how, to share with others what I have shared with you, I leave to you. The Veil of Secrecy has come down, the Choice is Yours my friends", how did that not make the release of the photos also permissible? It seems from those words that you released us from our promise to keep the photos secret, and yet now you are acting as if that promise was still in effect.

 

Please explain.

 

Zeshua replied:

 

I once had a Professor who said at the beginning of term, if any one of you should be able to solve the equation that I use to grade on a curve, without any help from myself, you shall receive a passing mark equivalent to less than 90 percent. Essentially what a "B". This equation, if solved, would also mean that person was not required to appear at the lecture. I might also add, this was a very early morning class, one that most of us especially dreaded.

 

Peter my friend, can you tell me why I solved the equation, and still received an "A"? It is because I still went to lecture.

 

I was no longer required to, no longer needed to, My GPA was never going to be a 4 point due to a disagreement with a professor in another class during my sophomore year. I needed to know, not hope, who I could trust. If you remember, I quite clearly stated the supposed "Danger" that releasing the pictures would have caused. Then later I contradicted myself with the statement that All Information could be released. Essentially, leaving the ethical dilemma in each of your hands.

 

I've also been in contact with Y, as I knew he also opposed the decision.

 

I hope that this helps you. Please do not think of what I have done as deceitful. I prefer to think of it as a true measure of ethical integrity. For the information I wish to share with you will far exceed the worth of any supposed "Pictures from the Future".

 

 

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