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"I am not ignoring anyone on this forum- if anyone has a question, I will try to answer it."Titorian quote

 

I would ask more questions but you have not answered the ones I have submited so far:

 

Posted on January 18, 2007

 

"Pamela- I have different religous beliefs than you do- you can say I am more gnostic. As I approached my other self, I would begin to pop out of existence one atom at a time. In theory I should never be able to reach the door."Titorian quote.

 

I don't understand what religious beliefs have to do with it.

 

Are you saying you don't believe the body has a spirit?

 

Another question I asked that I was curious about was

 

if there were any controlled experiments to know for sure you do indeed

 

pop out atom by atom or if it is just a current theory in your time.

 

Another question I have is why does a black hole form between the two people

 

if they approach "zero hour" ? What is the difference between meeting your other self

 

right away or waiting until the time comes you came from?

 

What about spooky action at a distance? Didn't all matter/energy in this world come from its big bang?

 

 

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Titorian,

 

About John you said the energy required for him to go "from his reality to this reality" is equal

 

to the big bang.

 

You claim a black hole will form if the time traveler meets his younger self back in time

 

and waits until the "zero hour".

 

In the big bang all forces were originally united.

 

In a black hole are not all forces united again?

 

 

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I looked at Stephen Wolfram's website and it was very confusing to me. Then I looked at Wikipedia and was even more confused. Is he saying the universe has a tendency to put things into order and eventually that order becomes life? I agree with the basic principle, if that's what he's getting at- I already mentioned that the blueberries on Mars are a form of proto life.

 

One thing that stood out to me on Wikipedia was "some complex computations cannot be short-cutted or 'reduced' (cf. NP-hard) , is ultimately the reason why computational models of nature must be considered, in addition to traditional mathematical models."

 

In 2044, P=NP was solved for some time and this is consistent with Wolfram's assertion "if the program is so simple, where does the complexity come from?".

 

Personally I have never heard of this man. I hate equasions too and started wrapping my head around what he was saying, but I also saw a host of problems people have with his conclusions.

 

If someone can explain this for me, I'd love to hear it.

 

Darby writes:

 

>>So, what is d^2x/dt^2?<<

 

I have absolutely no idea. That's why I wrote >>I am a layman talking to a physicist, I could never fully explain the simplest of concepts to you- I don't even know what all those letters in math formulas mean no less who came up with it first.<<

 

>>I asked you to explain the reason why an equation isn't. The details of the "physics" isn't inportant, just the math.<<

 

"Mass" and "energy" are expressions of acceleration; they're relative mathematical quotents. As far as math goes, in an infinite universe where you can "simply add more and more math until it's equal", math falls short of explaining acceleration. Can you give me one absolute state in the entire universe?

 

Undaunted, Darby writes:

 

>>Care to explain Cherenkov Radiation?<<

 

According to Wikipedia, "Cherenkov radiation is electromagnetic radiation emitted when a charged particle passes through an insulator at a speed greater than the speed of light in that medium."

 

In other words, it's finite and conditional. C=ME2 is larger and more encompassing than the opposite; E=MC2 is part of C=ME2. E=MC2 is one way of looking at the universe, C=ME2 is another larger, simpler way.

 

Pamela writes:

 

>>I don't understand what religious beliefs have to do with it. Are you saying you don't believe the body has a spirit?<<

 

The belief in a spirit is spiritual or religous in nature... it's ultimately a matter of faith. My beliefs are different than yours and I respect your beliefs. Yes we all have spirits but where they go when you die depends on your particular beliefs and varies greatly. Where am I going when I die? To visit an old man in his living room for a fireside chat.

 

>>Another question I asked that I was curious about was if there were any controlled experiments to know for sure you do indeed pop out atom by atom or if it is just a current theory in your time.<<

 

Yes. On the subatomic scale, particles popped in and out of existence randomly. In reality, we have no such thing happening to a person on film. I believe they tried something with "rolling one soccer ball into its younger self"- the older ball just faded into non-existence as it got closer, it never touched the other ball.

 

Someone mentioned your body's cells change with time- "a new you every few years" and you're right, but important parts- the brain and spinal column, brain cells, neurons, teeth- live a lifetime. This is rather unsavory for me to talk about because it applies to me.

 

The "I am a mass of atoms" analogy works best here- as I rewrite history, my atoms scatter. Eventually I won't be me anymore.

 

Regarding the black hole, in overly simplified terms, it's simply easier for a black hole to form and swallow up the planet than have reality redefine itself to accomidate you. Black holes are like erasers.

 

The Earth is a 99.9999% closed system- we don't leak much of anything into space. If a black hole formed on Earth, it would swallow the Earth and moon and maintain its orbit around the sun in our place- continuity intact.

 

You'd apply the "living universe" analogy- at that point, the solar system would continue to operate the same, only the Earth would not be in it.

 

A black hole is just a black hole... a black hole is not the opposite of a Big Bang. The universe has billions of black holes in it. Funny, isn't it? Black holes absorb everything but move through space. How is this possible- shouldn't black holes simply absorb this movement (acceleration) too? PS- Black holes are not closed- they leak.

 

Risata- If I got hit by a bus, then my life story will be me traveling here to get hit by a bus, it won't affect anything. They'd ID me and see I was pretending to be someone else who lives 1,000 miles away from me (there's millions of people pretending to be other people), the other me would eventually get audited and cleared- he doesn't know I am here. And after the dust settles, my lawyer delivers a package to my other, younger self. This is my plan, but not the bus part.

 

 

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Titorian,

 

>>So, what is d^2x/dt^2?<<

 

I have absolutely no idea.

That's acceleration. (Second derivitive of change in position with respect to change in time)

 

>>Care to explain Cherenkov Radiation?<<

 

According to Wikipedia, "Cherenkov radiation is electromagnetic radiation emitted when a charged particle passes through an insulator at a speed greater than the speed of light in that medium."

Well, first, I don't recall asking Wiki to explain. I think that I asked if you cared to explain Cherenkov Radiation. Obviously I asked you to explain because you stated:

 

Mass can never move at light speed

Last time I checked, charged particles (protons, electrons and their anti-particles) do have mass.

 

So which is it: mass can never move at the speed of light or mass can move at the speed of light? Is there any experimental evidence to support the correct answer?

 

In other words, it's finite and conditional. C=ME2 is larger and more encompassing than the opposite; E=MC2 is part of C=ME2. E=MC2 is one way of looking at the universe, C=ME2 is another larger, simpler way.

So why don't you expand your equation c=mE^2 and show the underlying proof. You drew your equation from E=mc^2, which comes from the special theory of relativity. Haven't you overlooked something that is more than implied in the latter equation (when properly notated it is explicit, in fact)?

 

What's "finite" and what's "conditional"? What are the conditions? What's "larger"? Opposite of what?

 

Can you plug some real numbers for mass and energy into your equation and solve it so that c = mE^2?

 

By the way - in your own words, please. I can look it up on Wiki - what is acceleration?

 

Last: so when are you going to throw out Bearden's name into the mix?

 

 

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Hey Pam, "Pink" as Reverend Modemac @ http://www.modemac.com/

 

stats: "is the Color Pink"

 

Do you believe right now that Timetraveler is only for Man?

 

------------->>>>Hey Titorian what do you Think about?

 

About the Subgenius:

 

Quote:

 

" The Church of the SubGenius is a satirical postmodern religion, originally based in Dallas, Texas, which gained popularity in the 1980s and 1990s subculture, with a large presence on the Internet." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius

 

and About Hillary Clinton: from GLP:

 

Quote:

 

"Titor Stikes Again With Clinton

 

The first undeniable thing Titor spoke of was Iraq. No matter how skeptical if your honestly rational you can conculd that Titors words reguarding the middle east war was a hit rather than a miss.

 

Now Hillary Clinton has put her bid in for president. Titor refered to the president of 2008 as a "him or HER" but only to the 2004 president as a him.

 

And from my political opinion I agree with what Titor said in reguards to the 2008 president only wanting to increase his or HER power base. Hillary is hungry for power and I believe her lust for power will divide America apart even further then Hier Bush has.

 

More and more Titors words come to pass not like words set in stone but like a weather prediction of rain. It may not rain on monday but the rain is comming reguardless."

 

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=333171&mpage=1&showdate=1/22/07&forum=1

 

Regards

 

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Titorian,

 

Do you have a first name we can call you by?

 

About E=mc2. John mentioned this as well that the same formula can be solved for mass.

 

A ball is not a living object though. A balls atoms are not constantly changing or being renewed.

 

I can't believe they didn't do live experiments like on plants or mice first. I think they would

 

have found a slightly different reaction than what they had with a non-living soccer ball.

 

Have you discovered where exactly the atoms go and come from when they are popping in and out of existance on an atomic scale?

 

If ball "A" faded into "non-existance" as you call it as it got closer to ball "B" how do you know the universe just didn't transfer it back to the original time or another time? I don't see where you mentioned it turning into energy or anything or having a hugh explosion. You just say it faded out. This does not prove it ceases to exist just that it ceases to exist here.

 

With the black hole forming on the Earth. Are you saying if you stayed until zero hour with your otherself and created a blackhole you would destroy our Earth and Moon?

 

 

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Pam Wrote:

 

" Well...it's your lucky day! HERE I AM!!! lol "

 

Protocol Status .......... Ok.

 

Comm link open ............Ok.

 

Well Pam:

 

Did you know about Yves Lámek?

 

The girl that supossed sell the IBM 5100 to John @ 14-05-1975...

 

when the time operatives reached him...

 

and he activated a remote time travel device and jump to the year 2000, but Yves get panicked when see the bright light and run to John...

 

but she was transported to the year 2006 in Paris, France...

 

Then she start a blog using the name "syous titor timetraveler",

 

and post in Spanish...

 

Ps1:

 

sombody codename: "Ethan Titor" said that "John try to fix that and return Yves to 1975."

 

Spanish Friends of Titor:

 

Links Follows:

 

Syous Titor

 

http://cronotraveler.blogspot.com/

 

Ethan Titor aka Jensen

 

http://cronolander.blogspot.com/

 

Regards

 

-Message Sent- :yum:

 

Slacks

 

www.subgenius.com

 

 

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Pamela,

 

About E=mc2. John mentioned this as well that the same formula can be solved for mass.

Of course the equation (because it is an "equation") can be solved for mass.

 

Divide both sides of the equation by "c^2", cancel "c^2" on the right side (mc^2/c^2 = m) and you have:

 

E/c^2 = m

 

Titor didn't expose any new information. What he stated is explicit in the original equation.

 

You can also solve for "c".

 

Divide both sides of the equation by "m" and take the square root of both sides:

 

Sqrt(E/m) = sqrt(c^2) = sqrt (E/m) = c

 

You've already solved for "E" in the original equation.

 

;)

 

 

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>>So why don't you expand your equation c=mE^2 and show the underlying proof.<<

 

It's Kaku's equasion, not mine. I am a layman talking to a physicist, I could never fully explain the simplest of concepts to you- I don't even know what all those letters in math formulas mean no less who came up with it first. I am really starting to believe you're here waiting for a time traveler to win you a Nobel Prize. Can you give me one absolute state in the entire universe?

 

>>Hillary is hungry for power and I believe her lust for power will divide America apart even further then Hier Bush has.<<

 

Hillary Clinton is not the person everyone loves to hate. Personally I do not like her but "liking someone" is not a prerequisite for being an effective President. Everyone liked Bush right after 9/11. At the same time, Bush won't be seen as a monster by history- he'll be more like "the last of the old guard"- his speech tomorrow should be a real humdinger.

 

>>A ball is not a living object though. A balls atoms are not constantly changing or being renewed. Have you discovered where exactly the atoms go and come from when they are popping in and out of existance on an atomic scale?<<

 

Darby will have to give you the answer on that one- when you seperate a pair of atoms then reverse the charge of one of them and the other changes regardless of distance... that's that called?

 

>>I don't see where you mentioned it turning into energy or anything or having a hugh explosion. You just say it faded out. This does not prove it ceases to exist just that it ceases to exist here.<<

 

Considering there's only one tangable universe, where else could it go but nowhere? Another random part of the universe? Perhaps, but regardless that's somewhere I don't want to be.

 

>>With the black hole forming on the Earth. Are you saying if you stayed until zero hour with your otherself and created a blackhole you would destroy our Earth and Moon?<<

 

Yes. But considering I am 62 and have terminal cancer, it's highly unlikely I'll survive the next 37 years. "Zero Hour" is a popular film in 2044 based on real science where someone does just that. You'll all have wait for the movie to see how it ends- the lead actor hasn't even been born yet!

 

>>Risata asked the question what would happen if you died. But I will ask what will happen to you if your younger self dies tomorrow?<<

 

I am from the future, not from a parallel universe. If the 24 year old me died tomorrow, he would have never lived to 62 to see himself go into a time machine to become me; I would not be here writing this now. The only way he could die tomorrow is by something inadvertently done by me here and now to cause his death. Were such a thing to happen, we would both cease to be alive: he'd be dead and I would disappear.

 

>>Do you have a first name we can call you by?<<

 

I assumed the name "Jon Titor" to be clever, but everyone here seems to call me Titorian which suits me fine. Thanks for asking.

 

 

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Titorian,

 

Okay. But here's the problem with that. They would find your ID and claim that you are impersonating someone else (identity theft.) However, you are dead. So in order to ascertain who you really are, they will run a DNA test. Now, let's say your younger self is for whatever reason, in a DNA data bank. Now, I am sure you will claim this not to be true, however, lets pretend there's another time traveler such as yourself where that wasn't the case. Just humor me here-because if you are the older version, your dna and your younger self's dna would be IDENTICAL.

 

Why would you risk this? Also consider even if it didn't go that far-let's say, you were hit by a bus and lived. But were unconscious and rushed to hospital. They find your ID, look up your number, can't find you listed, but find a number of people sharing your name. Fine. Why would you be so quick to assume that anyone would think identity theft of your younger self? You said you were far away. There could be 60 people in Florida alone with your same first and last name. So I find it odd that you would say that they would figure you stole your younger self's identity.

 

Furthermore, if they did happen to call your younger self, and he became aware of you period, wouldn't that cause a "butterfly effect?" He might not think it was him, just someone with his name. But it would stand in his memory. So, that means when you go back, you'd know that something mustve happened in that time period to you, because you have the memory of knowing that someone sharing your name was in an accident.....do you see what I am saying? Your comments, please. Make sense of these paradoxes?

 

 

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>>A ball is not a living object though. A balls atoms are not constantly changing or being renewed. Have you discovered where exactly the atoms go and come from when they are popping in and out of existance on an atomic scale?<<

 

Darby will have to give you the answer on that one- when you seperate a pair of atoms then reverse the charge of one of them and the other changes regardless of distance... that's that called?

 

I was hoping you knew being from 2044. I don't believe the answer is known yet in our time. Isn't there anything you can give us about it that is not currently known?

 

>>I don't see where you mentioned it turning into energy or anything or having a hugh explosion. You just say it faded out. This does not prove it ceases to exist just that it ceases to exist here.<<

 

Considering there's only one tangable universe, where else could it go but nowhere? Another random part of the universe? Perhaps, but regardless that's somewhere I don't want to be.

 

What if your wrong?

 

>>With the black hole forming on the Earth. Are you saying if you stayed until zero hour with your otherself and created a blackhole you would destroy our Earth and Moon?<<

 

Yes. But considering I am 62 and have terminal cancer, it's highly unlikely I'll survive the next 37 years. "Zero Hour" is a popular film in 2044 based on real science where someone does just that. You'll all have wait for the movie to see how it ends- the lead actor hasn't even been born yet!

 

But you said I die. So how am I going to be able to see it?

 

>>Risata asked the question what would happen if you died. But I will ask what will happen to you if your younger self dies tomorrow?<<

 

I am from the future, not from a parallel universe. If the 24 year old me died tomorrow, he would have never lived to 62 to see himself go into a time machine to become me; I would not be here writing this now. The only way he could die tomorrow is by something inadvertently done by me here and now to cause his death. Were such a thing to happen, we would both cease to be alive: he'd be dead and I would disappear.

 

If you would disappear what would happen to all of us that knew you and talked to you here?

 

>>Do you have a first name we can call you by?<<

 

I assumed the name "Jon Titor" to be clever, but everyone here seems to call me Titorian which suits me fine. Thanks for asking.

 

typical "Titor" smartassness. :)

 

 

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Titorian,

 

It's Kaku's equasion, not mine. I am a layman talking to a physicist, I could never fully explain the simplest of concepts to you- I don't even know what all those letters in math formulas mean no less who came up with it first. I am really starting to believe you're here waiting for a time traveler to win you a Nobel Prize. Can you give me one absolute state in the entire universe?

A full explanation isn't necessary. You posed the equation thus its yours to defend. Why don't you just give it your best shot?

 

I don't think that the Nobel Committee is going to be rewarding any prizes based on a really bad "permutation" of a 102 year old equation for which they didn't award the original author a Nobel.

 

BTW: When does Dr. Kaku switch professional emphasis from string theory/high energy physis (HEP) to general relativity?

 

(Hmmm...I know that Pamela has his email address. I have his email address and a phone number. Why not? He's responded in the past...even moderated his own BBS.)

 

Hmmm...an absolute state. California? Nevada? ;)

 

Seriously, what do you mean by an "absolute state"?

 

 

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Titorian, could you please state in as much detail as possible the mechanics of/and way your time machine works to the best of your knowledge? You said something about gravitomagnetism? Also, what is the state of cryonics (human cryopreservation) in the 2040's? Has anyone been revived yet? Is Alcor and/or the Cryonics Institute still in existence? What if any advances in the science of cryonics, such as vitrification or cellular cryoprotectants, can you tell me? Any information on suspended animation (not as it pertains to space travel but instead cryonics)? What of nanotechnology/molecular biology/cryobiology, how far have these sciences come by your time (the 2040's)? Thanks in advance for answering, this is very interesting.

 

 

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Pamela,

 

They won't discover anything with the LHC in 2007. They plan to fire it up at very low power this spring for 6-8 weeks of preliminary equipment testing and start full power shake downs in 2008. It looks like they won't be ready for experimental use until sometime in 2009.

 

 

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