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Titorian, you wrote "I have already given substantial information over at TTF regarding the future and perhaps will copy and paste it here for continuity's sake."

 

TTF doesn't exist anymore. It changed to Paranormalis and then to The Paranormal Network and now it is offline altogether. I went to TTP and searched for your posts there but didn't find any, perhaps due to my own unfamiliarity with that site's mechanics. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you did repost your earlier predictions again in this thread.

 

- Peter

 

 

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Pam wrote: " ..... What are my characters in the movies made about John?"

 

Well, Pam, somebody tell me yesterday that you asked Darby about the EPR Paradox, in that movie... The nonlocal Behaivor as Darby Said "quantum weirdness"...

 

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5,6. The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete

 

accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him

 

regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.

 

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>You are deleting them? Don't delete them. This is very strange. This is not normal. why don't you post them. Perhaps it is some kind of code and we can figure it out. I would atleast like to see an example of one to satisfy my curiousity.<

 

I'll run the next one through an java editor, remove any java then post it here. It's nothing but random words but it's a whole email full of them.

 

>>"3DTV is cool "<<

 

3DTV is VERY cool... cool to the point of there's no need to envision anything more real that apart from tangability. It's (usually) four emitters in the corners of the room which converge and cancel to form a true 3D image. This is the technology that begat holosims- "virtual people".

 

As to the balance of questions posed- in the past I compiled them to form a single thought then conveyed them, however this leaves nagging "unresolved specific questions" in the minds of the posters. I'll try tackling them head on this time:

 

> What are (Pamela's) characters in the movies made about John?<

 

In a nutshell, Pamela plays the part of the believer.

 

>>If we make so much food we burn it does that mean no one in America goes hungry anymore?<<

 

In 2044, people still go hungry, as ashamed as I am to say. We produce so much food we don't know what to do with it so we convert it to gas- when the market dictates it's cheaper to convert to ethanol than grains, we convert it to ethanol. Stocks in 2044 are much flatter/more stable/not as volitile then they are today.

 

>>If robots take over most of the jobs then who buys the products?<<

 

The people do- with the dividends from their ownership of co-op communities.

 

>Are you not afraid you might be accused of killing the winner (of the billion dollar lottery) since you know about it ahead of time?<

 

No- it's more "a thing" like Roswell or 9/11 or even John Titor... it's a thing that conspiracy buffs will cling to.

 

>So CERN plays a big part in developing time travel?<

 

A thousand people play very important parts towards the development of time travel. From the 2044 perspective, Kaku is foremost. From a 2007 perspective, Pelosi is.

 

>What if there are more time travelers than just you here?<

 

At least 50 people went through before me- I made sure the thing worked before I went... once you're strapped in the machine and it's turned on, either of three things will happen: you'll time travel, you won't or you'll decorporalize. Those 50+ people are right here, right now although I assume for various reasons, mine is to correct someone else's future (which is my ticket) and alter my own future (which is why I did it).

 

>How does that factor into the decorporealization theories?<

 

It does exponentially. At some point I won't be a "time traveler" anymore, I'll be "just another time traveling claim" when causality catches up to me.

 

>Does anything happen if you run into another timetraveler from another time period? What if they all got together in a large room...what would happen if a hundred stood side by side all from different times?<

 

Most probably nothing, unless there's a cannibal in the room :). Now what happened if 50 of us were in a room and the 50 other us's walked in? Most probably a black hole.

 

>How can you seriously talk about our futures being the same when you are here changing ours by interacting with us? ripples do happen.<

 

No offense, but don't blame me for altering a future that hasn't yet happened to you. In particular regard, you die believing in Titor (according to the story); if nothing else I've given you something else to consider and in the process possibly altered you.

 

>This is what is meant by different timelines. You are changing ours if you are who you say you are. How can you think you are not?<

 

Yes- I plan to directly affect causailty upon my death, or in 2011 whichever comes first. Don't blame me for altering a future that hasn't yet happened to you.

 

>I would like for you to explain more about physical timelines and ones that are not physical. Do you mean the timeline you came from has now become unphysical?<

 

This is a tough one- a real philispohical quandry you're asking. God has a book called "Our Universe" and everything in it is everything that will happen within this universe... as such, there is only one reality. We can violate reality but only in the smallest points for the smallest fractions of time: years, not light years- we call this "time travel". This is an appropriate direct reponse to what you ask. AISC!

 

>The timeline you are in now is changed from what it was before....simply because you are in it. I guess I do not understand your view of it. Can you explain more about it?<

 

The universe is at 99.99999999999931415% equilibrium. That means, regardless of whatever "moment in time" you consider, it's still 99.99999% at equilibrium. My being here throws this equilibrium off, but only for an extremely short period of time: an atom lives for 10 billion years and of them, 37 of those years were spent in a dual state- big deal. This will definetly alter time and space but only for a short period of time and to an inconsequential degree- most of history is ineviable anyway. As such, as long as you don't affect directly causality and create a grandfather paradox, you CAN do such things as time travel. This is where I fit in.

 

Trex- all of your questions point in one direction, as in, one long-winded, clarifying explanation. I'll gladly go into it again if you'll all hear me ramble- I can tell you all the story of 2007-2044 but most of it won't make sense to you now. This is like explaining the evolution of the Nanopod to someone in 1944.

 

>>Here's my problem. why would a millionaire person who is dying of cancer go back to the past and leave all his loved ones and money behind (except for some gold bars, I think must have weighed you down somewhat on the trip)? Why go back to a time when medical management of cancer is not as advanced as his own time? Won't you end up dying even sooner?<<

 

Immunizology makes cancer what it should be: a rare malady- either you get it and you're screwed or you might and it's preventable. I did not pay for my time traveling trip- my attorney did in exchange for information. The gold was mostly 10 oz. bars which are the size of an Ipod- the lump sum could fit in your pocket although it would pull your pants down. In 2044 they prevent cancer, they don't deal with it. The roots of this inevitability already exist, by 2015 it will be a reality. Ask a Canadian.

 

>>technically, you could live forever<<

 

Yes but who would want to?

 

>by coming back in time in 2044 when you start to die, giving tons of money to younger self, living as millionaire thru life till 2044 again when you get cancer, coming back to younger self give millions again and again.<

 

Would you do the same if you could?

 

>TTF doesn't exist anymore. It changed to Paranormalis and then to The Paranormal Network and now it is offline altogether. I went to TTP and searched for your posts there but didn't find any, perhaps due to my own unfamiliarity with that site's mechanics. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you did repost your earlier predictions again in this thread.<

 

http://timetravelportal.com/viewtopic.php?t=2793&start=0

 

I apologize to everyone- I meant TTP :0 They're all there although upon checking I just found out I am also banned from posting there- my last post was to redirect anyone here which ineviably resulted in my being banned. Causality thanks you, planetniles. Most of the questions asked here have already been answered there... I was there for a while.

 

 

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Titorian, you wrote "You die believing in Titor". Does that mean that the war and social chaos Titor predicted arrives on schedule?

 

In the other thread at TTP, you wrote "you guys should really get off your butts and start protesting the end of this endless war- it will only bankrupt our nation and make us militarally inept in the world scene, but I suppose it's a good thing to let someone else run the world for a while." Is this a prediction that this war in Iraq will not end for a long time yet, and that America will soon become bankrupt?

 

Oh, I see, you wrote "Yeah- a civil war started in 2005, you all just don't realize it yet. This is what makes Titor's Tale so interesting. Don't worry about raving bands of looters- this is more a financial meltdown than anything else."

 

But later you wrote "most importantly- there is no Civil War." And stil later you wrote "Why don't I talk about the Civil War and divergences in timelines? Mostly because there is no civil war in your future... nothing you would define as a civil war although what will happen can only be described as a "civil war". It's a war of the classes- the rich and everyone else. It's like this in 2006- there's your rich, then there's everyone else serving them. There will be more Enrons and many people will suffer as those privledged few take the money and run. "

 

And you wrote "The US economy will do slightly better for the next 2 years, then better the next four. Then very good the next three, then okay from then on." But later you wrote "A depression is about to hit this country and people are going to appreciate what they have more." And still later you wrote "The US stock market will crash soon as will the EU markets and some global financial reorganization must happen for trade to continue."

 

So do we go bankrupt or don't we? Is there a financial meltdown or isn't there? Is there a depression or isn't there? Is there a stockmarket crash or isn't there?

 

You say there is going to be a sort of "civil war" between rich and poor, and a financial breakdown, and some sort of dramatic event in 2012, and that emailing thru time became possible before physical time travel was. This all sounds consistent with what Zeshua has been saying for the last two years. But Zeshua also said that the financial collapse and civil war did become bad enough to cause rioting and roaming bands of looters, and you apparently disagree with that.

 

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- Peter

 

 

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Titorian,

 

Concerning the sphere you time travel in.

 

Is it harder (more physically demanding) for a 61 year old to time travel versus a

 

25 year old man? Are there gravitational forces felt?

 

Can a child time travel? Can more than one person time travel together?

 

Can you describe in detail what happens after you enter the machine?

 

Can the techs talk to you when you are inside?

 

What happens when you arrive at the new time?

 

Does someone open the door for you?

 

How do they know ahead of time that you are coming?

 

What happens if two people are arriving at the exact same time and place?

 

You said three things will happen, you will time travel, you wont or you will decorporalize.

 

What happens if you dont time travel? what are the causes of the failure?

 

What happens if you decorporalize? What would cause that?

 

What does AISC! mean?

 

 

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The civil war is between the classes- "the rich" and "everyone else". But it's a "civil" war (get it?)... there are no outright Gettysburgs as much as growing resentment from the majority of the people, all while the rich get richer, everyone else gets poorer, all while the US government goes bankrupt. I know this is a dramatic example, but this is my perspective being from 2044... I know how it all turns out. I know what life in 2044 is like and looking back at today, one can only describe it a "civil war".

 

In the future, the Federal Government runs a tight ship with a balanced budget and keeps its nose clean. In the future, people don't kill themselves just to make a buck. In the future, people are interested in their community, not the world at large... in the future we keep to ourselves. In the future, our military is half the size it is now and so are our taxes. In the future, politicians are held accountable. Life is simply simpler in the future- this is where I come from... the future.

 

Now here I am in 2006- I've been here before, it's not the dark ages to me... I lived in this time once already. But it's weird being here... weird like when you find out some distant relative you never knew you had is coming and they're bunking with you all week... that's the feeling I have being here.

 

You guys really are in a civil war right now- you all against yourselves. A good analogy is Walmart. If all the employees walked out, they will get what they want. And what do they want? Livable wages. And what's stopping them from getting this? Themselves- each and every one of them- for rationalizing the personal inconvenience change will cause against a steady-but-never-enough paycheck for selling themselves short.

 

You're in a Civil War right now and every once in a while one of you snaps and a Waco-type event happens. Then it's all over the news- live 24 hours, non-stop BETWEEN COMMERCIAL BREAKS, then it goes away. Scott Peterson, Mark Barton, "The Neptune Assassin", "Son of Sam";"The Zodiac killer". The Unabomber. Timothy McVeigh. Daniel Carver, OJ Simpson, Johhny Knoxville and even a Royal Princess. Whatever keeps glued to your TV set; whatever keeps you staring at ads.

 

At some point (and I think it already happened) it is technically possible to make just as much money being on welfare as it is to work 40 hours at Walmart. And when the coffers run bare, eventually the Federal Government will wake up and make things right again.

 

In 2044, we develop co-operative communities. They are living things: Corporations... they exist to serve themselves. They exist to make a huge profit, and the thousands of people who control this corporation decide the best course of action. These are neighborhoods and small towns, except they're owned by the people who live on it. They generate their own electricity, they grow their own crops- they even make their own topsoil. They also own the central mall which keeps the community alive and rents space to its tenants- all for a huge profit, with stock dividends payable to the people who live there: its residents.

 

Some of the best communities' residents make $75,000 a year in dividends for just living there- in 2044, "living there" can be an occupation. And most of the people who live in that community also work there, and every community exists to serve its people and generate a profit by offering goods and services to people outside the community: the world at large- particularly people who don't live in a co-op community.

 

We call those people "rich people" because they choose to live in the same exact house as us but it's costing them twice as much to maintain it- they REALLY gotta work to pay the bills- double income, overtime, holidays, latchkey kids... today you call this "occupation".

 

And we fill their gas tanks with ethanol and collect $80.00 for doing it and smile. In 2044 we love rich people because their being rich makes us all richer and we both know it.

 

Once you people today look past the screaming, non-stop headline breaking news-of-the-moment headline, you'll start to notice history is happening right in front of you. Another successful space probe. A new way to get drinking water from sea water. A way to turn desert into fertile soil. A vaccination for a deadly disease. Less starvation. PEACE. A way to add more to the world than you're taking from it.

 

Then you'll start paying attention to what's important again and make it better. We call this "the future".

 

Now having said all of that look back 40 years to 2007 and look at life today and look at how everyone is playing against a stacked deck and still hoping to win and how else can you describe it but a civil war?

 

NKS_Man- re: electric cars. Once somebody puts out a workable, cheap, reliable electric car that gets the job done, it will simply make more sense to drive an electric car. Sure it's not as fast as a gas car and maybe it's not as flashy, but it's saving you thousands of dollars a year- enough to finance the cost of the car itself. Chrysler in 2044 is a medium-sized company. The catalyst is when Japan opens US Auto's vaults and dusts off US Auto's patented electric car blueprints and actually starts making them, and whoever puts it out first wins.

 

Now on to Pamela.

 

>>Is it harder (more physically demanding) for a 61 year old to time travel versus a 25 year old man? Are there gravitational forces felt? Can a child time travel? Can more than one person time travel together? Can you describe in detail what happens after you enter the machine?<<

 

The time machine is a metal ball about 5 feet across. Being inside it is like being in a car with airbags all around you deployed- you're crushed in every direction. You get into the pod's contoured, fetal position seat, lean forward and put a large hard plastic breathing tube into your mouth and close your eyes tight. There's a small compartment under the seat where you put your personal effects. Then they close the pod and inflate the airbags- you're smooshed- you can't move and then it starts spinning. You get a little light-headed, then it goes away. Then you feel a forward lurch, then the door opens and you come out. You're in the past. It's as stressful as going on a roller coaster.

 

>>Can the techs talk to you when you are inside?<<

 

You are "the package", the techs are busy making the machine do what it does. There is no in-flight meal, just five minutes of turbulence.

 

>What happens when you arrive at the new time?<

 

You arrive in what is designed to be the same place you left: the same underground complex. You spend a week "on campus" before you go- you spend a week in a place where everything is 2006, then you go to 2006 and arrive in the same-looking place and it really is 2006. They open a bottle of champagne (which personally I think is corny), refund your deposit in current currency ($50,000) and you're free to go- you have completed this financial transaction of time travel.

 

>>Does someone open the door for you?<<

 

Oh yeah- you're locked in. You can't get out- there is no "emergency stop button". You are cargo. The ball is incredibly smooth... it's a giant ball bearing. It's double walled and there's some sorta liquid mercury in-between that acts as a conductor.

 

>>How do they know ahead of time that you are coming?<<

 

Honestly I have no idea. I know when I arrive, I am the center of attention... it's not like a landing dock or anything... it's not a bus terminal... I didn't land in a place full of people from 2044. They opened the hatch, I got out and was slightly dizzy... there were a good 20 people in the room. Once I was okay, they all went away. I was escorted to my room (which is the same room I had in 2044). I left later that day. I'd say they email the information before I arrive- the time machine does not rely on any universal standard- it cheats time.

 

>What happens if two people are arriving at the exact same time and place?<

 

Not possible. You land where "you're logically expected to land in spacetime" and it all has to do with additude/spin/deceleration. You fool the universe.

 

>>You said three things will happen, you will time travel, you wont or you will decorporalize.<<

 

Yeah- you're cargo. You sign releases and whatever happens to you is your problem.

 

>>What happens if you dont time travel? what are the causes of the failure?<<

 

Then they didn't get "the Coca-Cola Recipe" right. They recalibrate and you have to wait another day or so for the batteries to recharge. They also successively pick different dates to reduce causal effects and make it reality. I went through in one shot.

 

>>What happens if you decorporalize? What would cause that?<<

 

There are "hot dates" where your being there and then has a direct causality effect (butterfly effect/grandfather paradox) which makes your logical history immediately illogical. In that case, it's simply easier for the universe to pop you out of existence than to rewrite E=MC2. Like if OJ Simpson time traveled back to the day of the double homicide- he would decorporialize.

 

>>What does AISC! mean?<<

 

"Artificial Intelligence Spell Check". It's a subprogram to your userid... it's your Avatar... it's "the online you". In 2044, your password is not your pet goldfish's name- this is why kids are getting themselves implanted, this is why many more Federal privacy laws will be on the books. It's your familiar, it's your butler. It follows you around, it opens online doors for you, it corrects your typos and makes sure the billing info is always right. It allows you to go food shopping and just walk out with a shopping cart full of food.

 

It talks to other AISCs and gets stuff like eBay done for you while you sleep, it makes sure your distant relatives get birthday cards on their birthday. It's your rifle. There are many like it but your AISC is yours. You get one when you're young and you teach it and it gets smart. You type and it all comes out like Shakespere... it's "the online you".

 

I feel naked here posting "my own words"- I miss my AISC. In 2044, AISC's are "ghosts in the machine"- they are living things that can eventually become a life form onto themselves... they become "you" after you die... they're your right arm. The can do up to 50% of the writing for you. There's lots of "AISC graveyard" sites in 2044- places full of talking dead people.

 

That is why I write the way I write- because whatever I have written has always come out as this: perfect English diction. But I make mistakes- I make typos, which makes me look foolish... I miss my AISC.

 

 

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Titorian, you wrote "The US economy will do slightly better for the next 2 years, then better the next four. Then very good the next three, then okay from then on." But later you wrote "A depression is about to hit this country" and "The US stock market will crash soon." How can the US economy do "better" at the same time that a depression hits and the stock markets crash?

 

Also, does history finally conclude that Bush stole the 2000 election? The 2004 election? That he or his people were involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks?

 

Are large numbers of American citizens rounded up and put in the Halliburton/FEMA concentration camps?

 

Is martial law declared by the US government in the next 20 years?

 

Does the government bring back the draft?

 

Does water and/or food become scarce in the USA in the next 20 years? Does the economic collapse get so severe that most long-distance cross-country distribution of goods ceases? How high does the price of gasoline get?

 

- Peter

 

 

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Titorian,

 

The sphere sounds much like the movie "contact" with Jodie Foster. Is the sphere similiar to the sphere in that movie?

 

I think you feel the same way about your AISC as I do about my navigation system in my cell phone.

 

I don't ever have to worry about getting lost again. It's wonderful. I even have a setting for "home" so no matter where I am it can get me home.

 

No matter where I am the GPS can hook me up and the map pops up to show me where I am and then it proceeds to give me verbal directions to turn right on this road or that. It's a very comfortable feeling to know you will never be lost again. All I have to do is put in a physical address and it tells me how to get there and how long it will take.

 

It works in the car or walking. If you are really bad and even miss the road it tells you to turn on it says "recalculating route" and directs you from your current position or road.

 

Just don't ask me how I know that. :)

 

I am an expert at getting lost. Just ask my friend Julie. Once we had a Wednesday tour at NASA and it wasn't even that far away. We were lost for two hours and I had to reschedule it. lol

 

Just a weakness of mine I guess.

 

Never lost again=Peace of mind :)...and saves valuable time!

 

 

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>>How can the US economy do "better" at the same time that a depression hits and the stock markets crash?<<

 

The economy and the stock markets are two seperate, yet somewhat connected things. The Federal budget and the GNP is trillions of dollars. Although most of these monies go to keeping street lights on and such, this kind of money can get a whole lot done. Politics is the process of explaining to the people why you're spending their hard earned monies where you are and our President-of-the-year has a large part in deciding where those extra monies go.

 

The stock market is regulated by the confidence of the people in American enterprise. When the stock market is down, people invest in federal securities, when it's up, people buy stocks. But the game itself is unfair- it's skewed towards Big Business- our current President calls this "economic stimulation". And you all (should) know that when your stock dividend is fifteen cents, the CEO's bonus is in the millions.

 

All of the pieces have been in play for quite some time in America, and what is to come is no surprise. But don't worry- there won't be people dying on the streets or roving bands of looters or a wholesale breakdown in civility. You folks just gotta realize the ten bucks you just spent on lunch is enough money to feed and entire family and just because "new and improved" just came out, "old and unimproved" still works.

 

What's coming is change- change to the entire system, brought on my a decade of overspending. Our taxes won't go up, but they'll get less done. How much are we spending in Iraq?

 

>>Also, does history finally conclude that Bush stole the 2000 election? The 2004 election? That he or his people were involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks?<<

 

Bush was the last of the old guard- the last legacy of Reagan. We won't be electing any more Reagan-like Presidents after Bush. Bush had nothing to do with 9/11... Osama did. And sure "Osama was one of us and then he became one of them" but the bottom line is Osama did it. Bush is guilty of taking advantage of the free enterprise that is America. We don't feel as badly about Bush as you do, in fact we admire his willingness to set such a clear example of how to not do things correctly.

 

>>Are large numbers of American citizens rounded up and put in the Halliburton/FEMA concentration camps?<<

 

No.

 

>>Is martial law declared by the US government in the next 20 years?<<

 

No.

 

>>Does the government bring back the draft?<<

 

No.

 

>>Does water and/or food become scarce in the USA in the next 20 years?<<

 

No. Did you know a 79 cent bag of dried beans can feed ten people?

 

>>Does the economic collapse get so severe that most long-distance cross-country distribution of goods ceases?<<

 

No.

 

>>How high does the price of gasoline get?<<

 

The average price is about $4.50 a gallon, but you also have to ajust for inflation.

 

>>Wow, Peter, you just ain't listenin are you?<<

 

I don't blame him or anyone for asking the same questions- these are large concepts and require a detailed explanation to make sense, you guys are looking for a ten word response which is difficult and easy to misconstrue.

 

>>Does someone with the initials G.S. make any significant impact in the simulation/computer science areas?<<

 

Not that I know of.

 

>>The sphere sounds much like the movie "contact" with Jodie Foster. Is the sphere similiar to the sphere in that movie?<<

 

Very.

 

>>I think you feel the same way about your AISC as I do about my navigation system in my cell phone.<<

 

You know when you click START and SEARCH and that little dog pops up and you type something in and it searches for you... that's the idea except he lives in cyberspace and you can access him from any computer anywhere. And when he's in cyberspace, he's finding all kinds of cool things for you.

 

 

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Titorian, thank you for your swift and courteous response. Although I do not intend to be argumentative or contentious, I would like to ask a follow up question if I might, so as to better wrap my mind around what you are saying.

 

In response to my question "How can the US economy do "better" at the same time that a depression hits and the stock markets crash?", you answered

 

The economy and the stock markets are two seperate, yet somewhat connected things. The Federal budget and the GNP is trillions of dollars. Although most of these monies go to keeping street lights on and such, this kind of money can get a whole lot done. Politics is the process of explaining to the people why you're spending their hard earned monies where you are and our President-of-the-year has a large part in deciding where those extra monies go.

 

The stock market is regulated by the confidence of the people in American enterprise. When the stock market is down, people invest in federal securities, when it's up, people buy stocks. But the game itself is unfair- it's skewed towards Big Business- our current President calls this "economic stimulation". And you all (should) know that when your stock dividend is fifteen cents, the CEO's bonus is in the millions.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to me that this really addresses the question I asked, which specifically requested that you explain how the economy could be good during a depression. According to Wikipedia, a depression is specifically an economic depression (unless you were referring to the psychological malady?). The way they define it, "A recession is traditionally defined in macroeconomics as a decline in a country's real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for two or more successive quarters of a year (equivalently, two consecutive quarters of negative real economic growth). However this definition is not universally accepted. The National Bureau of Economic Research defines a recession more ambiguously as "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months." A recession may involve simultaneous declines in coincident measures of overall economic activity such as employment, investment, and corporate profits. Recessions may be associated with falling prices (deflation), or, alternatively, sharply rising prices (inflation) in a process known as stagflation. A severe or long recession is referred to as an economic depression."

 

So I must ask yet again, how can the economy do "better" during a depression? I apologize in advance for being so dense.

 

Perhaps it would be easier to specify which areas of the economy do "better" and which areas go into a "depression"? Generally, when the economy is doing "better", unemployment levels go down and GDP and the standard of living goes up. But in a "depression" the exact opposite things happen. So perhaps you can spell things out for us. Does unemployment go up or down? Does GDP go up or down? Dopes the average standard of living go up or down? You have already specified that the stock markets crash, which certainly makes it sound like business takes a hit, but if the "economy gets better" as you say, then apparently business does do better. I'm obviously very confused. Can you help me out here?

 

Also, I note that you predict that "our taxes won't go up, but they'll get less done." Can you be more specific? Which programs and social services are you saying are going to be cut soon? Is the military the only place where our money "gets less done" or do other governmental services and programs suffer as well?

 

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jmpet, would you care to explain, then, how any country's economy could "do slightly better for the next 2 years, then better the next four, then very good the next three, then okay from then on" at the same time that "A depression ...hit(s) this country" ??

 

I'm all ears.

 

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Titorian,

 

The stock market is regulated by the confidence of the people in American enterprise. When the stock market is down, people invest in federal securities, when it's up, people buy stocks.

Say what? Buy on a high and sell on a low? Then stop your losses at a low by investing in fixed income federal notes, wait for another high, dump the fixed income notes and jump back into securities? That strategy generally drives the market? And here I was thinking that you jump in when the market is low, ride the market up, lock in profit with Stop Loss Orders, get out on a high, drop your money into fixed income debentures on the way down and jump back in on the upside of the recovering low. Hmmm...

 

Markets are only loosely connected to the over all health of the economy?

 

 

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>>Branson offers $US25 mln prize to fight climate change

 

British tycoon Sir Richard Branson today announced a $US25 million ($A32 million) prize for the scientist who comes up with a way of extracting greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.<<

 

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=29&ContentID=21000

 

 

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Friend

 

I simply have one small problem with your story, which in reality is a carefully improvised hoax.

 

You mention that if your people could not take you back in time, you have to wait for an entire day for the "batteries" to recharge. Please tell us more about your power sources for said temporal contraption.

 

And one more thing. How come they are expecting you whenever you travel back in time. If you are in an underground facility, and you whisk yourself back in time, you end up pretty stiff in soil and very well underground. A horrifying way to die, I guess. First a bloody turbulent coaster, then crushed by the surrounding land. Ouch!!

 

Until later becomes now.

 

PD Some stories are entertaining, some are somewhat ludicrous but worthwhile while perusing through the net, but like this one, some are truly not devised properly.

 

 

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>would you care to explain, then, how any country's economy could "do slightly better for the next 2 years, then better the next four, then very good the next three, then okay from then on" at the same time that "A depression ...hit(s) this country" ??<

 

That quote refers to this other quote on the same board written on 12/22/06:

 

>>Clinton is the President in 2008 for one term followed by Giuliani, who is replaced by Spencer from 2015-2024. Apart from that I cannot predict without affecting the outcome- although it has already happened, where I am now it is uncertain.<<

 

In other words,

 

Bush 2006-2008 "slightly better for the next 2 years"

 

Clinton 2008-2012 "better the next four"

 

Giuliani 2012-2015 "very good the next three"

 

Spencer 2015-2024 "okay from then on"

 

Get it?

 

As far as the depression goes, it's a good thing. We won't have the money to keep up an endless war, big business won't have the billions to bilk from the people anymore... with a depression, alternatives become realities. With a depression, every dollar the government spends goes to keeping the ship afloat. And when the depression ends, we do things differently and we call this "the future".

 

>>Say what? Buy on a high and sell on a low? Then stop your losses at a low by investing in fixed income federal notes, wait for another high, dump the fixed income notes and jump back into securities?<<

 

I believe the original quote was "When the stock market is down, people invest in federal securities, when it's up, people buy stocks." In other words, when there's no money to be made in stocks, people don't invest in stocks and vice-versa. Why do people put their life's savings into stocks- to make 10%? Sorry I worded it poorly.

 

>>Markets are only loosely connected to the over all health of the economy?<<

 

They're not?

 

>>What country are you from? I noticed you used the words: "personal effects" instead of personal items.<<

 

I am an American.

 

>>I simply have one small problem with your story, which in reality is a carefully improvised hoax.<<

 

And you had no problem with Jimmy Earth's carefully improvised hoax?

 

>>You mention that if your people could not take you back in time, you have to wait for an entire day for the "batteries" to recharge. Please tell us more about your power sources for said temporal contraption.<<

 

"The batteries" are the power supply backup batteries in the co-op communities, not the time machine. When a jump is scheduled, the communities revert to battery backup and the raw windmill power fuels the time machine. If the jump is unsuccessful, they need to wait a day for the communities' batteries to recharge. The energy for the time machine comes from the co-op communities at a profit to them- this is how Branson became a big business utility company.

 

>>And one more thing. How come they are expecting you whenever you travel back in time.<<

 

I assume they email the schedule ahead of time- I never got into all the details. I was the customer, they were expecting "a passenger", not "me". Email to the past was discovered decades before time travel. Do you ask the pilot if the gas tank is full before the plane takes off?

 

>>If you are in an underground facility, and you whisk yourself back in time, you end up pretty stiff in soil and very well underground. A horrifying way to die, I guess. First a bloody turbulent coaster, then crushed by the surrounding land. Ouch!!<<

 

If they email blueprints back and they say they built one and they really didn't then nothing would happen- they wouldn't start recieving travelers from thin air and if you tried traveling to there, it simply wouldn't work. You land where it's most logical to land... you're cheating the universe. The key is deceleration... "spin down". This is where decorporealization comes into play- if you're spun down too much, there won't be ANY logical place for the universe to deposit you- then you simply stop existing.

 

>>Some stories are entertaining, some are somewhat ludicrous but worthwhile while perusing through the net, but like this one, some are truly not devised properly.<<

 

Yeah I know- time travelers are supposed to fit a mold based on fake time traveler stories and public opinion of a technology that does not yet exist, which means that when a real time traveler comes through, no one will believe him because he's not John Connor and he's not here to prevent another 9/11 by posting on a time traveling forum.

 

>>British tycoon Sir Richard Branson today announced a $US25 million ($A32 million) prize for the scientist who comes up with a way of extracting greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.<<

 

Branson is looking for a magic bullet. The magic bullet is fourfold:

 

1. Co-op communities that generate their own green energy.

 

2. Cars don't put out more greenhouse gases.

 

3. Forests.

 

4. Megacarbons.

 

What do all of these have in common? They all consume carbon. The more "C" that is either trapped or not used, the more "O2" there is; the less "CO2" there will be overall. The answer is fight in front of everyone's faces, the problem today is that you can't get rich by building forests and rainforests- people would rather make 10% on stocks than fix the planet.

 

I noticed the Time Traveling Forum is down. Can anyone help me on this? Is it down for maitenence? That site's supposed to be up for at least three more years and from my perspective this is a temporal violation which I find very troubling.

 

 

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Titorian,

 

"I noticed the Time Traveling Forum is down. Can anyone help me on this? Is it down for maitenence? That site's supposed to be up for at least three more years and from my perspective this is a temporal violation which I find very troubling."

 

You mean the time travel portal? I was just there to check. it is still there. Sometimes sites go down for maintenance.

 

 

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"As far as the depression goes, it's a good thing. We won't have the money to keep up an endless war, big business won't have the billions to bilk from the people anymore... with a depression, alternatives become realities. With a depression, every dollar the government spends goes to keeping the ship afloat. And when the depression ends, we do things differently and we call this "the future"."

 

"Did you know a 79 cent bag of dried beans can feed ten people?"

 

A future eating bags of 79 cent beans? wow.....Sounds like it is only going to be a good thing for the rich. Which YOU will be in the future. The rest of us better start liking beans?

 

wow that IS depressing. :cry:

 

 

 

Should I start now looking for bean recipes? fried beans.....baked beans....creme of beans..

 

bean soup.....bean-ana bread...

 

 

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I still don't understand how the economy can be said to be doing "well" during an economic depression. How is this not a contradiction in terms?

 

The Time Traveling Forum doesn't exist anymore. It changed names to Paranormalis, and then changed names to The Paranormal Network (http://www.paranormalnetwork.net/), and then it went offline altogether. It is currently "parked" at Godaddy.com due to some sort of legal or financial troubles, if I understand correctly.

 

Titorian, have you made a single prediction that has come true yet?

 

You say that email thru time was discovered long before anyone figured out how to do physical time travel. That jives with what Zeshua says, which is in part why I continue to find your story interesting. Zeshua claims to have been one of the first to accomplish this feat, emailing our time from 2026. Who does your history say was the first to accomplish email time travel? Zeshua was extremely concerned about the danger of altering the past via email TT to the point that her own present, and possibly even her own life, could be altered or even wiped out of existence altogether. Was this a concern in your history? How did folks work around that problem?

 

- Peter

 

 

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Titorian, I took some of your quotes from the other site because I had questions about them.

 

"When science links nuclear testing to cancer, the world pretty much realizes why we're all so sick."

 

Do you think your cancer was caused by this as well?

 

"As far as alternate timelines etc... as I said from the outset it's a complicated concept. Infinite multiple worlds may really exist, but there is only one reality. Imagine two worldlines five seconds in the future- in one of them you get up and leave the room. In the other, you stay in your chair. A thousand years down the line there will be two radically different universes. Well- you staying or going is not enough energy to create a new reality. If it was, then there would be a Googol new universes created every Planck Unit and even if this is true, there would still be only one tangable reality."

 

I still don't get how you can be sure of only ONE tangible reality.??

 

How can you even be sure that this one is tangible? What if it is just the electrical signals and waves that go through your brain that makes it seem so?

 

If the other universes are not tangible...what are they? ghost worlds?

 

"I kind of agree with that point. A whole new branch of science will open up in the next few years which will bring a new way of thinking about the world around us. People today say "How could the universe be this beautiful without some sort of Creator in the mix?" In the future, people will say "Why would the Creator make such a beautiful universe and make it impossible for us to visit most of it?" The universe is a lot smaller than you think."

 

Can you explain what "the universe is a lot smaller than you think" means?

 

I have some ideas but want to know if they are the same as yours.

 

"The first successful time travel experiment was when they had to turn off the particle accelerator because of a breach and everything disappeared when the machine stopped. About a year later and on a hunch, they predicted they would be unable to carry out an experiment to send a static shock "back in time" because a static shock would ruin the experiment and they were right- that was when the million time traveling websites popped up and this site went down."

 

"Another breakthrough was sending laser signals back in time to be recieved as radio signals- static, from there the concept of time travel became mainstream."

 

Can you explain this further?

 

"Kaku wrote a book about C=ME2, or "first person energy" which opened a whole door to a way to simply side-step the laws of physics, from there the practicality of tangable time travel began. That was when "the billionaires club" all started building their own time machines- The Branson Foundation, through trial and error, found a ratio between acceleration and magnetism which allowed time travel. Again in brief- two balls, you're in the outer ball. Two magnetic balls- one anchored, both mutually attracted. You start the centrifuge and acceleration starts pulling the outer ball away while the magnetism holds it. At the correct harmony, you "spin off" and slow down to reappear in a different, tangable place- an earlier time. It's simply easier for the universe to pop you back into an earlier, equal point in time then create a second God: you in your own universe."

 

"Of course for it to work, you need to actually have an earlier, equal time. It does not have to be in the same place, but it must physically exist and have the right dimensions. If the earlier "landing base" does not, then reality either kicks you back to your point of origin or simply decorporalizes you and you cease to exist. I made sure other people went through successfully before me."

 

"The outer ball (you) gets charged up, traverses time and as it winds down, reality all around you comes into focus. When it stops, they open it and I get out- the ball is just a metal ball made of 2006 materials. I don't know what they do with the balls- in 2044 they're easy to make, here it's valuable scrap metal or corporate art. (And to clarify again) they first send information back in time, then blueprints and schematics, then they test it. You can send one back to 0ad provided you could contact 0ad and convince someone to build one. The landing pad is all concrete and metal, it's not that hard to construct."

 

I just thought this was very interesting.

 

"The blueberries on Mars are a form of protolife that never took hold; we still have not been to Titan or Europa but we sent more probes to Pluto which detected organic life locked in the ice. Saturn is an "inside out planet" (but you know that already). Life landed on Earth as DNA and sank to the bottom of the ocean where it found safe haven near hydrothermal vents. As life evolved, it spaced out and eventually found dry land. And when I left 2044, SETI was experimenting with doppler radio because they concluded by then that life had to be out there somewhere, we just weren't listening correctly. Many more wonderful advances in every area occurs between now and 2044"

 

"DNA is chemical in nature, not organic. DNA is not alive but has the capacity to make life. The blueberries on Mars can be classified as "fossils" in this regard- they're balls of calcium with bits of silicates in the center- the silicates unicode information that can be copied and the calcium serves as a proto exoskeleton. Gravity and pressure dictate "unit size" and the rest is differentiation."

 

"At one point millions of years ago (or whenever a meteor hits Mars), these blueberries come to live- making more blueberries- more balls of calcium with silicon in the middle. Perhaps one day those blueberries will inadvertently roll into a puddle of water then "life" as we know it takes over- evolution. Perhaps after 100 million years of underwater blueberries, something will walk out of it on its own legs...life."

 

"With all that said, life is potentially everywhere- the universe is full of aliens. Have we met any aliens yet? Not in the way you would consider it- no six-armed green men from Andromeda but they're out there somewhere. Astronomers were talking in 2044 about the possibility that radio communications are abundant throughout the universe, we just need to properly "tune into it" which is partly the right frequency and partly the right oscillation. Since everything distorts in the universe, radio signals become morse code over great distances. By their estimation, by 2050 we will be able to turn a radio on and hear the aliens."

 

I thought this was interesting also.

 

"The recieving station is here now. It was built with blueprints that were sent back in time instructing them to build one- "if you build it, he will come" and it's little more than concrete and metal. It took a good 30 years for time travel to develop to where it could send people back- in the beginning they could only send information, eventually emails. So they'd email the blueprints back to themselves, build it, then the time travelers would start to pop through."

 

So is this how the station first got built. It was from sending an email back in time? But what Machine received the emails? Who received them?

 

"Isn't it funny that we're in the Presidential Election mode yet no credible candidate has stood up yet? Truth is no one wants to inherit this mess that Bush is leaving behind: a war that will never end, a deficit that will never go away and the public united against the government- who would want to inherit this mess to clean up? Clinton does not want to run in this election but the Democrats will force her to. She'll run a late, massive campaign and sweep the polls. She won't get 90% of the stuff she wants to done with her Presidency, but she'll set us in the right direction and step one is a withdrawl from Iraq and the establishment of a "security net" over Iraq to send bombs, not soldiers, to combat terrorism."

 

So you predict Hilary Clinton wins the next presidency...

 

"First off, with the general acceptance and practicality of alternate energy sources, the world will slowly put less and less CO2 in the air. There are dozens of global projects to deal with warming- the largest of them all is a plan to somehow put an atmosphere in the moon. I know it sounds impossible- the moon is as big as all the land on Earth- but if the moon had an atmosphere, it would affect the Earth's seas less which would slowly start freezing the icecaps again... less of the moon's energy would reach the Earth. It's a permanent solution to global warming but it's almost impossible to pull off and would cost trillions of dollars, but then again it would double the livable space in this area of the solar system. People go to the moon in 2044 just as people buy tickets to space today and if it had an atmosphere, millions would move to the moon."

 

It sounds like you are still fighting global warming in the future.

 

I have doubts about giving the moon an atmosphere. An interesting thought I guess.

 

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Do you have the option of going back to 2044 if you decided you made a mistake and didn't want to live here anymore?

 

 

 

Do you have forward time traveling as well?

 

 

 

Does the military or government ever use time travel for their own purposes?

 

 

 

What is something that would disqualify you from being a time traveler even if you had the money to do it?

 

 

 

Would decorporalization be a just punishment for criminals?

 

 

 

Where do you see time traveling going in the next 30 years from 2044?

 

 

 

Is there anything you are not sure of in the time travel theories yet that your 2044 scientists are still wondering about?

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have any children or family in 2044 that you left behind? How did they feel about you leaving? Don't you miss anyone from your time? Are you able to send them emails or something

 

from here to let them know you are ok?

 

 

 

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