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I guess some people want to be guilded by your words, but some scientists think that since every planet in the Solar System is going through a type of Global Warming, and records upon looking at the sediment below the icebergs indicate that the Earth has been through these cycles before during the last 800,000 years, I guess you are stating that those scientists must be wrong because they have proof!

 

 

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Hey Titorian, thanks for the responses to my questions. I have some things that I'de like to say in regards to your answers so I have posted * to differentiate my comments.

 

>>So the practise of cryonics is at least still happening then?<<

 

Cryonics is the same in 2044 as it is today- popsicle people. You do know you're nothing more than a body and a brain and "you" are electrical signals that dissipate when you die, right? The best way to preserve "you" is to fill a ziplock bag with your hair, fingernails, skin and a used Band Aid and put it in a safe- the younger the better.

 

*The practise of cryonics has changed only slightly since it's beginnings in 1962, but it HAS changed. For example, today we use advanced cryoprotectants to protect from cellular freezing damage, as well as vitrification techniques which have allowed for even better preservation of basic structure. In fact just recently, there was yet another fairly big breakthrough that will allow for an even better preserved state, and reasonable evidence to show that the procedure is not without merit and that revival may in fact be possible one day. My point here is that I find it hard to believe that over the next 35-40 years there are no more advances in the science of cryobiology/cryogenics. I suspect that you do not have a real understanding of cryonics because your analogy that people in cryostasis are simply 'popsicle people' is not a scientifically fair/valid assessment of the science. There is a complex science behind the whole procedure. With regards to your idea that consciousness is simply electrical in nature, I agree somewhat, but you are not rightly addressing the entire nature of the animal in question. Human (or animal) consciousness is more than just electrical, the physical nature of longterm memory and the play between the electrical and physical give rise to consciousness. In fact the electrical aspect is likely only responsible for short term memory and immediate consciousness. Most of who you are (experience/memory) is likely stored physically in your brain structure. The electrical aspect allows for interaction among neurons but doesn't have any substance as regards your (personal)identity critical structure. The electrical part may be as easy to start up again as a simple jolt of electricity. With regards to your last point, are you suggesting cloning? If so I do not see what you're getting at.

 

>>What about nanotechnology, how far has that come by 2044?<<

 

They have nanites- what they do with them I don't really know. But I know there's huge advances in molecular biology. As to both questions, people are more philisophical in 2044 then they are today- we don't worry about ourselves as much as you do today. I think it's partly because it's the future so things are more convenient and partly because this is the "double otts" where you're experiencing "the decade of terrorism" firsthand... this is just a passing phase like McCarthyism or lynching blacks for being black- they were all the right thing to do at the right time. No insult, but in a decade, you'll see the error in your ways but life goes on. Have I told you folks about the origin of life? I think I already did on TTF- that explains my perspective best.

 

*I think you misunderstood the point of my question regarding nanotech. It is nanotechnology that will make revival possible for people in cryostasis if at all. What do these nanites, that you speak of, do? I was curious how far the science had gone in general. Considering what we can do today, I would imagine that by 2044 nanotech would be ALOT more advanced. Your answer and attitude toward nanotechnology is strange considering it will impact literally every science and aspect of life for people, and will probably even play a role in time travel should it ever prove possible. Also you seem to be associating the cryonicist's attitude with one of selfishness, which I can assure you is not the case for most, if not all. I do not see the point of your response in regards to my question.

 

>>Also can we assume that the results of Gravity Probe-B will confirm Einstein's theory or will physics be turned on it's head?<<

 

I really don't know. I could google it and take an educated guess, but my guess is as good as yours. E=MC2 was a fact on July 16, 1945.

 

*Nuclear weapons may work but they do not necessarily validate e=mc2. For example, Newtonian physics works for the most part, but it is incomplete.

 

>>You mentioned that you have recieved weird spam (email)<<

 

Most of them are emails full of random words- thousands of them and it makes no sense. I just thought it was some autobot troll, I just delete them but it's weird because I have not given out my email- maybe my ISP is doing it. My computer's fan (I think) is running a lot- anyone??

 

*This is just useless spam, I recieve these myself, I thought you meant 'real' legitimate email messages.

 

>>does the technology exist today to build a working time machine?<<

 

I gave this one a lot of thought and well- yes and no. Does the technology exist to build a cell phone in the year 1500? It does, and I'm sure Dr. Emmitt Brown could make one in that time, but not really. Time travel took three decades to patent, I wouldn't even know where to begin. If you went back to 1974, could you invent a cell phone?

 

The time machine also has a huge energy requirement- each community has a built-in 24 hour battery backup. When the time machine is on, most of the south is on battery (or utility) power.

 

*I completely understand what you mean here. Aside from the enormous amount of power needed, there is a system involved, it's not just a simple device. For example, even if I could construct a cell phone in 1974, it would be useless without a mass cellular sender-reciever system and people to talk to (with other cell phones). Curious, why did you say 1974, I thought the modern cell phone was invented in 1973?

 

>>Also Titorian, you mention about not being able to interact with your past self, but what about interacting with friends or family in the past?<<

 

I also gave this a lot of thought as to how to properly explain it. Here goes. The further back in time you go, the more causal your being there will become. If you time travelled back 100,000 years, your sneezing on someone there will have eradicated the entire Binx race (bless you). If you went back and killed Jesus or Mohammed (PBUH), several billion people today would cease to exist. The same applies with indirect interaction. This is math in 2044- it's "how directly relevant is this to me?"

 

*No comment here as I get your point and I agree in theory.

 

Your comments and answers to people's questions are very interesting and entertaining.

 

I just have a quick comment for that JimmyEarth guy, the families of cryonicists do not pay anything.

 

Also, PAMELA, you never addressed one of my earlier posts to you.

 

Thanks again Titorian for your time (no pun intended).

 

 

 

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"Also, PAMELA, you never addressed one of my earlier posts to you."

 

I went back and looked and all I saw was your posting you made about altervues. Did I miss something else? About the altervues I really didn't have anything more to say about it.

 

It happened to me long time ago. I posted about it and there was nothing else to really say about it. Its not really something you can really prove to anyone anyway.

 

And where is Titorian? On vacation AGAIN!??? :P

 

Can someone please tell me why we must always wait on a time traveler?? :confused:AUGH! goodnight!

 

 

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anonymous,

 

If you went back and killed Jesus or Mohammed (PBUH), several billion people today would cease to exist. The same applies with indirect interaction. This is math in 2044- it's "how directly relevant is this to me?"

I've quoted Titorian here - not you. :)

 

Titorian asked "how directly relevant is this to me?" It's a good question. He's previously stated that when he time travels it is accomplished entirely within this universe - there is no "alternative universe" ala the Many Worlds Interpretation as most time travelers here fall back on. He's also stated that he can't have contact with his younger self for a variety of reasons that I won't argue against.

 

So what's the answer to his question - even under the circumstance where he completely limits his interaction with people to posting here. He locks himself away for the rest of his life never having any other form of human contact.

 

Here goes...

 

Back "home" in 2044 he has access to and brings along with him the names of every human being on the planet which includes their family relationships (spouses' names and childrens' names). He knows, from the perspective of 2044 records, how family history evolves from 2007.

 

Let's say that you are single today...you haven't yet met your future spouse and you have no children (Titorian has access to how this should unfold).

 

Tomorrow is the day that you are supposed to have an encounter with the person who will ultimately become your spouse (in Titorian's record of history). This encounter is to take place at 8:00 pm. But...Titorian has written posts and you are interested in reading them. Tomorrow evening, just before 8:00 pm, you take some time and read a few of his posts...posts that you would not have read had he not time traveled to 2007. The otherwise unaccounted for time that you spend reading the posts makes you a few minutes late for your appointment with destiny...you don't encounter that person. Both of you end up marrying other people. The children that his history recorded are never born. The children that you do have were never a part of the history that was recorded.

 

Moreover, because the two of you married the "wrong" people, the people in his history who were supposed to marry your "wrong" spouses themselves marry the "wrong" people. The people who in his history you two were supposed to marry also marry the "wrong" people and have the "wrong" children.

 

This cascades down the lines of marriages/births. Everyone ends up marrying the "wrong" people. Given "six degrees of seperation" (six generations in this case) not a single person on the planet would be the people that his history would record as populating the planet because they all give birth to the "wrong" children.

 

And he didn't kill Jesus, Mohammed or his grandfather. He didn't kill anyone. He never had any live contact with a sole on Earth. The proximate cause of this cascading "disaster" was your taking a few minutes to read a few of his posts that wouldn't have been there had he not been here.

 

So what does this mean to him? No much if having a world where his attorney might not be an attorney and a world where the scientists who invent time travel might not be born at all. ;)

 

 

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Follow-up to the above:

 

The "six degrees of seperation" (six generations) obviously doesn't come to full fruition for a period of time many years beyond 2044. That's the time required for every person on the planet to become the "wrong" person. But the difference in the population as listed in his 2044 records that he brought along would still be staggering. It would involve mostly two generations and in some cases three generations of marriage/birth.

 

And I've only included you as the single proximate initiator of the chain. Every person who takes the time to read his posts changes their schedule from what it would have been had he not caught their attention by posting.

 

 

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Darby quote:

 

"And I've only included you as the single proximate initiator of the chain. Every person who takes the time to read his posts changes their schedule from what it would have been had he not caught their attention by posting."

 

I agree. He doesn't fully comprehend the ripple effect of just one person let alone everyone who reads his posts. A real time traveler can never be sure of the outcomes of his interactions

 

just him being here would change things and alter the future and events he once knew.

 

A true time traveler can predict possibilities and probabilities only.

 

Some of the events may still happen and may be far enough removed to not be effected directly by any ripples. But small things could change certain things drastically.

 

A time traveler is not God. God always has the final say.

 

Anyway I do think he is interesting to talk to. I am not afraid of a few ripples. ;)

 

 

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I agree with Darby. (Wow. I'm not sure if I've ever said that before!)

 

Titorian's cavalier attitude about the potential for him to unintentionally alter his own future history would seem to be one of the weakest elements of his story. When a TTer comes back into his own past and spouts a "single-universe-theory", he is either going to be extremely careful not to change anything he doesn't intend to, or he will randomly and unintentionally alter stuff all over the place, leaving a wake of chaos behind his every move.

 

Zeshua is the only other TTer who I've paid any attention to who spouted a single-universe-theory, and she went to gargantuan and even seemingly ridiculous lengths to make sure that her effect on the past was limited exclusively to the changes she meant to make. That approach to a TTer's single-universe-theory rings far more true in my ears than Titorian's sloppy and careless approach does, which seems like it could easily end up screwing with the lives of everyone he knew and loved during his life from 2007 - 2044, which in turn, of course, would affect him as well.

 

Pamela wrote "A true time traveler can predict possibilities and probabilities only," and that would be true for a TTer who traveled physically to the past. But an "email TTer" like Zeshua would have a huge advantage in that respect, because she would be able to instantly observe the full consequences of every move she makes in the past. There would be no guessing involved.

 

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Darby wrote:" Every person who takes the time to read his posts changes their schedule from what it would have been had he not caught their attention by posting."

 

An example from TTP:

 

http://www.timetravelportal.com/viewtopic.php?t=2971&sid=9592e57073ef5c0a7be9e7af6e42d5bc

 

an OP said:

 

"... I'm sorry everyone he's been stalking me for the last few months claiming to be a time traveller and that I'm the mother of the future savior of humanity. Guess who 'daddy' is supposed to be."

 

and i not shure about to pop up of existence... more to say pop up from this timeline to the next...

 

last time i found 2 persons with the same name but different surename, in the same office position, and don't look simmilar to the person i start talking about... weird... LOL

 

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5,6. The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete

 

accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him

 

regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.

 

SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR

 

 

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>>A future eating bags of 79 cent beans? wow.....Sounds like it is only going to be a good thing for the rich. Which YOU will be in the future. The rest of us better start liking beans?<<

 

Farms produce more greenhouse gases than cars. People eat less meat in the future, partly because of import taxes and new laws and partly because of the price of meat as a result. No 99 cent fast food chemicalburgers in 2044.

 

>>Do you think your cancer was caused by this as well?<<

 

I am genetically predisposed to have cancer. The only thing I can do is prolong it by detecting it sooner, like a few years from now.

 

>>I still don't get how you can be sure of only ONE tangible reality.??<<

 

Because there is only energy for one tangable reality. By definition, an alternate reality is required to have as much energy in it as our reality. So if we conclude infinite alternate realities really exist, then your deciding to step left or right creates an entirely new universe. But it has no energy in it- your footstep is not a Big Bang. Now alternate universes may truly exist, but there is only one reality.

 

>>What if it is just the electrical signals and waves that go through your brain that makes it seem so?<<

 

For this to be the case, then literally you are fooling yourself. If your mind is the center of the universe then you're God. And if you really are God, you have omnipotence. But you don't. So either you're God and you have amnesia, or you're not God. Proof of this is in the fact that you can actually learn a new thing, like how to ride a bike whereas before you didn't know how. God knows how to ride a bike, God knows everything.

 

>>If the other universes are not tangible...what are they? ghost worlds?<<

 

They'd be just as real as ours and quite possibly created by our actions (therefore an infinity of them), but the energy required to reach them is equal to all the energy in this universe. So you're "universe jumping machine" would first have to suck this entire universe into one black hole, then convert that energy to power the universe jumping machine. Even if such a thing were possible, who would build one?

 

For John Titor's story to be true, it would have to have destroyed the universe he left from, only to create one and enter it: our present. And even if this is possible, he couldn't return to his timeline. Once again- who would build such a doomsday device?

 

>>Can you explain what "the universe is a lot smaller than you think" means?<<

 

It means that just because that star is 10 billion light years away and light speed is the fastest possible speed, it dosen't have to take 10 billion years to reach it- there's shortcuts you can use that keep the universe coherent. Like wormholes, but scientifically engineerable.

 

>>So is this how the station first got built. It was from sending an email back in time? But what Machine received the emails? Who received them?<<

 

The Branson Foundation.

 

>>So you predict Hilary Clinton wins the next presidency...<<

 

Yes, but it's old news to me.

 

>>It sounds like you are still fighting global warming in the future.<<

 

Global Warming is a very serious problem- something that if we don't fix we will die from. There is a balance in nature between animals and plants- this is how we continue to asperate in a closed system. This is no "let's worry about it later like we do with everything else"- this is the path to human extinction. The more carbon-based life forms on Earth, the less carbon is in the air. Plant a tree.

 

>>I have doubts about giving the moon an atmosphere. An interesting thought I guess.<<

 

That one is way out into the future. This is what people think about in 2044- stuff like that.

 

>>Do you have the option of going back to 2044 if you decided you made a mistake and didn't want to live here anymore?<<

 

Nope. One way trip.

 

>>Do you have forward time traveling as well?<<

 

Technically you have it now but to do that the way you mean is a lot harder to do because of causality.

 

>>Does the military or government ever use time travel for their own purposes?<<

 

Probably. There are conspiracy circles for that.

 

>>What is something that would disqualify you from being a time traveler even if you had the money to do it?<<

 

Tattoos are the #1 reason. Tattoos of bands that don't exist of dates of dearly departed loved ones etc. The $15 million dollar price tag is a hard nut to swallow and after that, never being able to return or contact anyone you know eliminates many more. Many people who came back already decoporealized... it's almost impossible to jump back and reach zero hour. I'd say of the 50 that went before me, less than half are still around. Many people jump back then do the infamous "knock on your other self and decorporealize" trick the next day, as if the laws of the universe are going to bend to their whim.

 

>>Would decorporalization be a just punishment for criminals?<<

 

What a horrible thing to say- every life is precious.

 

>>Where do you see time traveling going in the next 30 years from 2044?<<

 

They speculate the net effect of this will create a "swiss cheese" of time in this place in spacetime, but I really really can't get into that stuff.

 

>>Is there anything you are not sure of in the time travel theories yet that your 2044 scientists are still wondering about?<<

 

A million things. Time travel does not remake the world, it's the newest cool thing to do. It's the new ultimate thing to do. It's perfect for witness protection and I'm sure the government financed several people for just that but it's "a new gadget".

 

>>Do you have any children or family in 2044 that you left behind? How did they feel about you leaving?<<

 

I have a wife and a son who will be born three years from now. I definetly don't want to interfere with myself until my son is born for obvious reasons. I did not tell them about the trip- there's no way to explain it. "Off to rewrite history- dinner's in the fridge"- how can you explain that to someone?

 

>>Don't you miss anyone from your time? Are you able to send them emails or something from here to let them know you are ok?<<

 

No way to contact them and I don't really miss anyone. My parents are already dead- I know they're alive here but I don't want to alter the good like they had (and mine in the process). I have family too but once again- I'm here to rewrite my own history- and theirs too.

 

>>So is this the computer that is measured in "variables" and not calculations per second?<<

 

The problem with quantum computers is entropic.

 

anonymous_person- Interesting stuff you wrote. Re: cryonics- it's just not possible to "wake up" after being frozen- who wants to come back as a vegetable?

 

Re: nanites. I am well aware of them and they serve purposes, but we're not all shooting ourselves up with nanites to fight a cold- we still take asprin. I'm saying there's a value to a healthy immune system so people as as holistic as they are today if not more. And re: both points- I just don't see how it's possible to "jump start" a brain that's been in stasis for years and not get a Frankenstein.

 

>>Nuclear weapons may work but they do not necessarily validate e=mc2.<<

 

I was trying to make an analogy between an atomic explosion (and they theory behind it) and a time machine (and the theory behind that): when do we know a scientific theory really works? When we build a machine that can do it.

 

>>Curious, why did you say 1974, I thought the modern cell phone was invented in 1973?<<

 

Because I am a "Titorian"- because John Titor said 1975 was a key date in spacetime... Bill Gates, etc... I said 1974 to mean "just before 1975".

 

>>I just have a quick comment for that JimmyEarth guy, the families of cryonicists do not pay anything.<<

 

I was always fascinated by cryonics simply because of the liquids involved and how easy it is to make them, plus the energies involved. That's how the Space Shuttle gets into space- on air.

 

>>...The otherwise unaccounted for time that you spend reading the posts makes you a few minutes late for your appointment with destiny<<

 

I don't agree with that karmically because there is nothing bad about my posts. If I were here wasting your time telling predictions and dire warnings and stringing you all along just for my personal satisfaction, then I'd be wasting your time. But I'm not- I'm just here chit chatting with you folks- I'm not preaching to the crowd (although I feel I sometimes do- sorry).

 

I also think people have a quota of "computer time" to fill and if they weren't here reading posts, they'd be over at YouTube downloading more sillyness or whatnot. I don't think there's a scientist reading this instead of attending to that "cure for cancer" vaccine he's working on.

 

As far as my universe goes- I know I will be changing it and the people around him to six degess later everyone on the planet, but if you were from 2044 and had the cure for AIDS, but it's not discovered until 2025... would you give it to scientist today and save millions of lives? I would, knowing it would also unmake millions. I'd also push Peggy Sue out of the way of that Mack truck and risk her now growing up to become the next Hitler.

 

Time travel breaks down to a philisophical argument at that point and John Titor touched on this issue and I feel the same way as he- as long as it's positive actions you take, you're not messing things up as much as making them a little bit better. And scientifically, if you did try and mess things up a lot, the universe would find it easier to pop you out of existence then allow a violation of E=MC2 then you'd simply stop existing. The universe is flexible to a point, then it snaps.

 

>>I agree. He doesn't fully comprehend the ripple effect of just one person let alone everyone who reads his posts. A real time traveler can never be sure of the outcomes of his interactions just him being here would change things and alter the future and events he once knew.<<

 

You have to see it from my perspective. From my viewpoint, the entire year 2007's history is no more than two pages in a book. History has a way of compressing time. Look at the history of 2006 then look at the history of 1956. I got into this over at the Time Travel Portal with the moderator- we bombed Somalia and called me to the table because I did not predict that historically important event. I said- what historical event? It's a good month later- does anyone remember the exact date this happened? That's my point.

 

And also- this website does not exist in 2044. Look at paranormalis(?)- what happened there? Where did all of that information go? It's all gone.

 

>>Titorian's cavalier attitude about the potential for him to unintentionally alter his own future history would seem to be one of the weakest elements of his story. When a TTer comes back into his own past and spouts a "single-universe-theory", he is either going to be extremely careful not to change anything he doesn't intend to, or he will randomly and unintentionally alter stuff all over the place, leaving a wake of chaos behind his every move.<<

 

The care package my other younger self will recieve will contain a letter from me explaining who I am plus the stocks, property holdings etc. I have accumulated. These holdings were all acquired legally from the open market and bought at market price- they tangably exist. I even "back financed" where the money came from, if it ever got down to an audit.

 

You are referring to the ripple affect that will cause? It won't- I'll be one of a million stockholders. I'm not even telling myself about the future- a guy's gonna knock on his door, hand him a briefcase and walk away. I see no wake of chaos- foremost because to you, the future hasn't happened yet. And secondly, because I'm not here to take over the world or stop it or prevent it- I'm only here to relive it. And when he opens that briefcase, he will become he reborn.

 

Or maybe I don't understand the question?

 

 

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When exactly (or as close as you can get to it) do the stock markets crash? When does the economic depression arrive? Maybe you couldn't be expected to remember when that Somalia bombing occurred, but stock market crashes and depressions are big enough events that you ought to recall the year and the month. Do you?

 

What is the trigger that sparks the collapse of the stock market?

 

You wrote "For this to be the case, then literally you are fooling yourself. If your mind is the center of the universe then you're God. And if you really are God, you have omnipotence. But you don't. So either you're God and you have amnesia, or you're not God. Proof of this is in the fact that you can actually learn a new thing, like how to ride a bike whereas before you didn't know how. God knows how to ride a bike, God knows everything."

 

As it happens, a considerable number of mankind's religions are predicated on just such an assumption, including Buddhism, Hinduism, and Gnosticism. These all assume that God either intentionally or accidentally "forget" stuff and then "became" the universe and all of us.

 

"Enlightenment" is often characterized as just remembering what we forgot.

 

- Peter

 

 

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1. Are you saying it's some sort of "soft depression"?

 

2. Branson sent himself an email telling him to build a time machine, right? How is this not a violation of causality according to your definition of it?

 

3. What are prisons like in 2044?

 

4. You mentioned turning time into swiss cheese. Isn't this a violation of causality?

 

5. What do you do all day, every day? Have you made any friends here?

 

 

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>>Titorian's cavalier attitude about the potential for him to unintentionally alter his own future history would seem to be one of the weakest elements of his story. When a TTer comes back into his own past and spouts a "single-universe-theory", he is either going to be extremely careful not to change anything he doesn't intend to, or he will randomly and unintentionally alter stuff all over the place, leaving a wake of chaos behind his every move.<<

 

The care package my other younger self will recieve will contain a letter from me explaining who I am plus the stocks, property holdings etc. I have accumulated. These holdings were all acquired legally from the open market and bought at market price- they tangably exist. I even "back financed" where the money came from, if it ever got down to an audit.

 

You are referring to the ripple affect that will cause? It won't- I'll be one of a million stockholders. I'm not even telling myself about the future- a guy's gonna knock on his door, hand him a briefcase and walk away. I see no wake of chaos- foremost because to you, the future hasn't happened yet. And secondly, because I'm not here to take over the world or stop it or prevent it- I'm only here to relive it. And when he opens that briefcase, he will become he reborn.

 

Or maybe I don't understand the question?

I'm not asking about the financial effects, but about ALL the effects of your presence here, about the "butterfly effect" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect ). Just by being here, you are eating food that otherwise didn't get eaten, spreading germs that otherwise didn't get spread, spreading ideas that otherwise didn't get spread. You are changing things with every breathe, every movement, every minute impact on your environment. Any of those impacts will then be left to take on a life of their own, chaqnging things in all sorts of ways you can't calculate. Just by being here, your future will be changed. You are impacting this era's intellectual, financial, and biological culture. You are setting all sorts of things in motion that hadn't been there before. Its like tossing a whole new billiard ball on a pool table during a break -- nothing will come out the same as it would have otherwise.

 

- Peter

 

 

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Pete has you there, Titster! Causality is a tricky thing. Anyway, back to the cryonics thing, you simply don't understand the science, but then again most people don't. Read the following link or google 'engines of creation'. Also, you might want to read up about the use of cryoprotectants.

 

http://www.e-drexler.com/d/06/00/EOC/EOC_Table_of_Contents.html

 

These people won't wake up as vegetables, they will either come out of it fine to enjoy their new found health and have fun in the future, or they simply will not wake up at all! And it's a little more indepth than simply unthawing them and waking them up!LOL! I find it ironic that not one self-proclaimed time traveller has ever thought to use the cryonics angle, since it is likely the closest human beings will ever get to real time travel. Then again, maybe it takes several centuries before revival technology is developed and so you really wouldn't have a clue being from only 2044.

 

 

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Hello Titorian,

 

You stated that "You arrive in what is designed to be the same place you left: the same underground complex. You spend a week "on campus" before you go- you spend a week in a place where everything is 2006, then you go to 2006 and arrive in the same-looking place and it really is 2006. They open a bottle of champagne (which personally I think is corny), refund your deposit in current currency ($50,000) and you're free to go- you have completed this financial transaction of time travel."

 

Where is the Branson Foundation's receiving station exactly located?

 

PrizmHead

 

 

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>>When exactly (or as close as you can get to it) do the stock markets crash? When does the economic depression arrive?<<

 

How long's a Chinaman. It was a culmination of events. Many people will be forced to retire with only one million instead of ten.

 

>>1. Are you saying it's some sort of "soft depression"?<<

 

It does bottom out but it's a slow inexorable decline. In those times, a dollar can't get you what a dollar used to. History never happens overnight. I love the dollar stores here but in 2044 there's a far less selection of items- particularly plastic.

 

>>2. Branson sent himself an email telling him to build a time machine, right? How is this not a violation of causality according to your definition of it?<<

 

Time travel is a private enterprise developed by The Branson Foundation. They don't really get into specifics... it's like the Coca Cola recipe. I never considered what you said which is quite interesting, but ultimately it happened any of 100 different ways- causality is not exactly what you think it is- Kaku outlined and rewrote many principles... best way to describe it is scientists in the future think more simply and in a larger context.

 

>>3. What are prisons like in 2044?<<

 

You get implanted, stay home and are monitored 24 hours a day by computers. It's not pretty in the sense that that guy who lives next door to you is a murderer- say hello to the murderer kids! There are still prisons (mostly for non home-owners), but to a much lesser degree. And all prisons are self-sufficient... prisoners grow crops and tend cattle and pick strawberries.

 

>>4. You mentioned turning time into swiss cheese. Isn't this a violation of causality?<<

 

The universe is a weird place.

 

>>5. What do you do all day, every day? Have you made any friends here?<<

 

I go out and walk around. I listen to people. I watch really bad movies in the theaters. I go to Disney just to walk around. I eat continental breakfasts and early bird buffets. I feed the geese. I observe. Sometimes I play Warcraft online. I'm also in a country club and interact with people. One thing I regret with my gameplan is the hotels-part. I should have gotten a house, then people could come over to my house. I keep my residence a secret from everyone partly from embarrasment.

 

re: cryonics. Maybe you're right and it will be figured out by 2300 and I think that would be cool. When I mean "walking zombies", I mean this is the best 2044 technology can come up with- science has advanced to the point of where a deceased person could theoretically be defrosted and brought back to life but only as a zombie, so this is how I concieve it. Maybe in another 150 years they'll figure it out.

 

>>What about the "big rigs"? Do you still use the heavy duty trucks to haul stuff around America?<<

 

There are still semis and tractor-trailers...we don't have tubes or anti-grav cars or anything else you imagine we should have... 2044 is very much like 2007, only we have cooler toys. But no V12 electric Mustangs that can go from 0 to 60 in four seconds. And I am a huge Pink Floyd fan.

 

>>Where is the Branson Foundation's receiving station exactly located?<<

 

About 50 miles from New Orleans.

 

Pamela wrote a while back-

 

>>I went back and looked and all I saw was your posting you made about altervues. Did I miss something else? About the altervues I really didn't have anything more to say about it. It happened to me long time ago. I posted about it and there was nothing else to really say about it. Its not really something you can really prove to anyone anyway.<<

 

This is really weird and I even feel weird bringing it up but I am starting to notice more and more "stuff disappearing". It just happened now- I just spent the past 10 minutes scouring this site for a question someone asked me (for me to reply to) only to find out no such post exists. I mean- I remember reading it yesterday and today it's just not here. A couple other times this happened, then a day later it appears with that date as the post date, not days ago when I remember reading it... like that. It's weird. I ask myself "Did I dream that post was there? How could I have dreamed that?!"

 

I also mentioned black spots in my eyesight... I have good eyesight but there's pinhole sized black spots in my field of vision. And other little stuff like knowing exactly what the buffet has for dinner even though I never ate there before... almost as if I ate there before then forgot I did. I re-read my old posts here only to find words are missing sometimes making the sentince make no sense. I'm used to my AISC which fills in the blanks as I type but I reread my posts before I submit them and they look okay, but when I see it the next day a word disappeared. Plus this overwhelming desire to eat spam- just kidding about that last one.

 

 

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Titorian,

 

Welcome to the weird and wacky world of time travel.

 

In my opinion its the stuff that appears that is more interesting than the stuff that disappears.

 

wait...it gets even more exciting later.

 

Might I suggest you go and rent the movie "the triangle" by bryan singer and dean devlin.

 

That is extreme stuff there but atleast you will feel better that what you are going through is not as extreme as the movie. :)

 

 

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Titorian,

 

The best advice I can give you is keep an open mind. At the same time chalk it all up to coincidence so you don't freak out. I actually started investigating. Like for example when the Burger King sign changed overnight I didn't just think it was weird I was brave enough to go through the drivethru and asked them when it changed. When they said a couple years ago I said a big "ok" and just delt with it as one of those changes. I tell you the truth though that it got so bad for Jim that he thought he would wake up and his family would be gone.

 

But atleast you know WHY it is happening. The biggest fear for us is we didn't know why or how far it would go. We both thought the movie was eerily accurate on experience.

 

The date of the release was 2005. I tried to write the producer and ask him where he got his info for the movie but all the contacts I had for him yeilded no response.

 

Hey. I just tell it like it is. No surprises here.

 

 

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Ok, Titorian, are you here to be eye-witness of the Dr. Paul LaViolette Theories, @ 2 days after the spring equinox...

 

http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Galactic.html

 

Related:

 

Enjoy the Zodiac chiper:

 

http://www.etheric.com/Zodiac/Zodiac-frame.html

 

and is this related to the Time-Space Distortion Wave?

 

http://www.remoteviewer.nu/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3527

 

--

 

Regards

 

5,6. The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete

 

accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him

 

regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.

 

SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR

 

:confused:

 

 

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What kind of cool toys do you have?

 

Have the gasoline been replaced on cars? Are there cars based on other stuff, public/normal cars?

 

How are the cellphones in your time? How are computers in your time?

 

Is the violence still the same? Or things have gotten better? worse?

 

Is US still the Empire?

 

How is your TV different from ours?

 

 

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Hey Titorian did you recall when the sun become blue...?

 

in a pm received here

 

somebody say that:

 

"...that before these waves arrives you will send to the space the time capsule of John Titor... a crystal disk dated december 24 2025..."

 

i shall ask:

 

do you have any comments about?

 

--

 

Regards

 

5,6. The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete

 

accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him

 

regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.

 

SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR

 

 

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