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>>Farms produce more greenhouse gases than cars. People eat less meat in the future, partly because of import taxes and new laws and partly because of the price of meat as a result. No 99 cent fast food chemicalburgers in 2044.<<

 

So you're saying $10 a pound chopped meat? So this means the rich will eat steak while the rest of us eat beans, right? Are you a vegetarian? Just wondering.

 

>>It means that just because that star is 10 billion light years away and light speed is the fastest possible speed, it dosen't have to take 10 billion years to reach it- there's shortcuts you can use that keep the universe coherent. Like wormholes, but scientifically engineerable.<<

 

What other tricks apart from time travel can we do?

 

>>I have doubts about giving the moon an atmosphere. An interesting thought I guess.<<

 

>>>That one is way out into the future. This is what people think about in 2044- stuff like that.<<<

 

Tell us more about this.

 

Have you been in contact with any other time travellers- the others who went through the same machine you did? Why isn't The Branson Foundation hunting you down for giving away company secrets? And you said you were implanted, right?

 

Why haven't we seen or heard of any other time travellers telling the same tale as you? There's what- four time travelling websites on the internet, they would have found this forum. Where are they?

 

Why do you always post at weird hours and why does your IP always change?

 

 

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Woody1987 writes:

 

(I included this because this is a really good question)

 

>>There is a guy called Bob, he makes a time machine, goes back a 1000 years to the year 1007. So he looks around tries out some local restaurants, takes the tours. Ok, ignore him for now, go forward 1000 years just before Bob went back in time. At this point there is a Bob in the present, just before he left and a Bob in the past. The present Bob decides as he did before to go back in time to 1007. DISASTER! He appears at the exact same time and place as he did previously, thus thier bodies merge into something.<<

 

Bob dies long before 2007 happens again for him. Bob's timeline goes from his natural birth to 2007 to 1007 to 1107 when he dies- all as one unbroken line.

 

If he went back to say, one day, the next day there would be two of them... this is what you mean. Well if the second Bob ran into the first Bob, then that would break his personal timeline- Bob #2's existence would become illogical and he would cease to exist. Why? Because he violated his own timeline... he did not alter the universe but himself. First person physics.

 

The universe is alive. You're allowed to cheat the universe, but you cannot break it's laws. So if you really tried to, it's simpler for the universe to unmake you (and if need be, replace the event with a black hole) than alter the laws of physics throughout the universe because rule #1: reality really exists (and this means the laws of the universe apply everywhere, all the time).

 

How can the universe unmake you? Since it's impossible to ever quantify the position and velocity of any object, it becomes possible to cheat the universe. So stuff like "decorporealization" really does happen- it's an aspect of entanglement. It's like math- it's numbers on paper that make sense.

 

This is the last tenuous mini-lecture I will give on this subject- any more detailed and I start directly violating stuff. I don't know if you came here to hear me rant or if I should do it more but here goes.

 

Imagine not you but a conglomeration of atoms called you. It's several trillion atoms all on a planet moving through space at about a million miles an hour.

 

These atoms occupy space over time like pages in a book. Assuming time travel is possible, one would have to traverse space as much as (if not more than) time to arrive at the correct "moment in the past". For example, if you wanted to travel one year back in time, you must also physically traverse 8,766,000,000 miles through space. (John Titor's time travel covered 552 trillion miles of the universe.. truly a vast spance)

 

This is where entanglement comes in. Assuming time travel really exists, this means your atoms will exist in a dual state (or entangled) mode- that there will be "two of every of your atoms in the same point in spacetime". This is a clear violation of the universe- an atom cannot run into itself... atoms exist logically through time.

 

But like two supermagnets on boats in a big lake, they actually can co-exist as long as they are sufficiently distanced... for a little while at least. Two identical atoms sufficiently distanced from each other can co-exist in the same spacetime as long as they don't start affecting each other (as long as they're both neutral to each other). Like the good guy and the bad guy- each has its own agenda but only one will win out.

 

And how do they affect each other? Simple- there's "the correct atom" and there's the "doesen't belong here" atom. If you go back in time, you become the "don't belong here" atoms. If you go forward in time, you become "the correct atom"... if you time traveled a year forward and knocked on your older self, HE would decorprealize, not you. (This, to a large extent, is why no one is really building a forward-working time machine.)

 

The universe is alive and although you can't break the laws of the universe, you can cheat it for Planck Units. Over time this has a swiss cheese effect. Time is not a law of the universe, is it?

 

>>What kind of cool toys do you have?<<

 

The biggest everyday technological improvement between today and 2044 is 3DTV. Hand held tech kinda levels off when everything becomes one do all unit. Part of the 3DTV technology is holosims which are a thing onto themselves.

 

>>Have the gasoline been replaced on cars? Are there cars based on other stuff, public/normal cars?<<

 

Car makers still make gas guzzlers but those are more specialty cars than anything else. Electric cars are "the car" in 2044 simply because of the free juice. I have outlined cars in 2044- they're plastic and cheap, like cell phones today. And just as cell phones, you put a new face on it instead of buying a new phone. Cars last much longer and break down much less- that's something for you guys to think about.

 

>>How are the cellphones in your time? How are computers in your time?<<

 

Can't really put it into words... the world is one hot spot. Asking me how technology is today is like asking you how your water is.

 

>>Is the violence still the same? Or things have gotten better? worse? Is US still the Empire?<<

 

Far less violence overall. You're living in the paranoid 00's. The United States takes care of its own first. The one thing I am not here to do is stir up a panic.

 

>>How is your TV different from ours?<<

 

3DTV. It's 3D TV.

 

>>Hey Titorian did you recall when the sun become blue...?<<

 

That's a profound statement. My answer is yes.

 

>>"...that before these waves arrives you will send to the space the time capsule of John Titor... a crystal disk dated december 24 2025..." do you have any comments about?<<

 

Never heard it before and not sure I fully understand it. Waves? What waves? Who will send the capsule and what's in it? A crystal disk? This makes no sense.

 

>>So you're saying $10 a pound chopped meat? So this means the rich will eat steak while the rest of us eat beans, right? Are you a vegetarian? Just wondering.<<

 

I am not a vegetarian, in 2044 people eat more vegetarian meals... they don't shove McFat burgers in their face four times a day. Some of the meat communities consume is sold through an organic supermarket owned and run by the community (like Trader Joe's today). Can't really explain it properly but I'll try... in 2044, people don't walk around with pocketfuls of cash and people rarely "pay" for anything anymore.

 

We autopay at the supermarket- there is no cashier. A computer scans the entire shopping cart and autobills it to our credit account. When we shop at our local co-op owned supermarket, we pay with credits from the excess energy we don't consume. This is why communities are prejudicial to the elderly- because it's possible to live in a community in perpetua... "just living there" generates enough money to pay all the bills and leave a few bucks in your pocket- in the best communities, that is.

 

When food, shelter etc. are all taken care of... when it's no longer a struggle just to keep the shirt on your back... money kinda becomes a thing, not THE thing... it becomes a tool. So yeah- some cuts of meat are $10 a pound, but then again it actually is not coming out of your pocket- it's credits set off against other credits... it's numbers.

 

It's like the 1950's. Everyone got a job and eveyone bought a new car and a new home all at once. What sparked it all? Well, everything happening all at once- it all making sense again. A place where a man can go out and make an honest day's pay... when it makes sense again.

 

>>What other tricks apart from time travel can we do?<<

 

Cognito ergo sum.

 

Re: the moon. Phase one the releasing hydrocarbons making the planet uninhabitable like Venus. This will decrease the effect of the moon on the Earth... it will calm down the seas and help reverse global warming- it's the reason they're considering it. Then they plan to filter the atmosphere with machines that are not yet invented to seperate the toxic atmosphere... to do what happened on the Earth over 100 million years to happen here in 500 years. They plan to end up with inhabitable land- room for billions more humans- billions of consumers. You guys are fighting global hunger today, we're making room for billions more humans.

 

>>Have you been in contact with any other time travellers- the others who went through the same machine you did?<<

 

Two have contacted me via this site since I've been here, both went before me. How else to say it- people don't come back to show off.

 

>>Why isn't The Branson Foundation hunting you down for giving away company secrets? And you said you were implanted, right?<<

 

My businesness is concluded with them. And yes, I was implanted.

 

>>Why haven't we seen or heard of any other time travellers telling the same tale as you? There's what- four time travelling websites on the internet, they would have found this forum. Where are they?<<

 

This is the swiss cheese effect and I'm surprised as well. Time is an artificial concept, right?

 

>>Why do you always post at weird hours and why does your IP always change?<<

 

I use the hotel's internet connection. I think slowly and have trouble sleeping. I try to write carefully, I don't want to misrep.

 

>>Are movies and music still around in 2044?<<

 

No. They were all wiped out when "The Great Disaster" happened. Just kidding- of course it is- look around you today! In 2044 it's 100 times more media coming at you- they have many laws limiting media exposure.

 

>>If so, how different/same are they?<<

 

The single greatest improvement is 3DTV. Daily life isn't much different in 2044 than it is today, it's just simpler and easier- partly because technology fills more gaps in our daily lives and partly because people have a different mindset than they do today (rant coming)... we're not "all out to get each other" as you are today. By the way- did anyone notice the US Government is missing 8 billion dollars in cash? No- you didn't- you were watching Anna Nicole.

 

Imagine the US Treasury with all its machines running at full capacity printing countless sheets of hundred dollar bills- hundreds of thousands of bills per hour, tonnage of cash.... millions per hour, every hour for two solid weeks, 24/7. Then imagine all that money disappearing- tons of US legal tender just vanishing.

 

(Rant done) 3DTV adds depth to television. It also allows holosims, which are 3D virtual people that can walk about in your house. Old movies can also be rendered to 3D allowing you to experience it more. 3DTV is not like Star Wars... it's more like Total Recall or two steps away from the Holodeck... it's huge. It's like going from radio to TV.

 

Naturally games can also be played with 3DTV and you can be in the middle of the game, literally. Really cool stuff.

 

>>What is the most popular style of music in 2044?<<

 

Popular music LOL. Seriously- popular music is pretty much the same it is today. However, there's a million genres of music... anyone with a computer can compose music- but this is also true today. There is far more music overall in 2044- pop stars for every genre... like today. Music is music. Personally I like oldies- rock and roll.

 

 

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Hello, I love Disney World and I'm curious about how it'll change in the future, so I have a few questions about it.

 

Do they build any new theme parks in the Walt Disney World resort between now and 2044?

 

You said there are more rides in the future, are there any in particular that you remember and miss going on?

 

I'm pretty much certain there'll be more Disney hotels in the future. Any favorites?

 

Do they get rid of the busses and replace them with more monorails and/or light rail?

 

Any other changes to the resort that stand out to you.

 

You seem to refer to the whole area as "Celebration", does the way the area is incorporated change? (What I mean is the towns Disney is in are officially called "Lake Buena Vista" and "Bay Lake", "Celebration" is just a sort of small town that Disney built that people actually live in and only has one small hotel).

 

Thank you.

 

sdit: I came up with one more question

 

Are there any attractions that aren't there in the future anymore that you were particularly excited about seeing?

 

 

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Hello Pam:

 

Just in case, is tomorrow the begining of the "noahides" religion ala "bruce2047", the dark timetraveler-???

 

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ttclaims&Number=43211&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

 

and this news has conections on John Titor`s true 10 commandments... of his timeline...

 

believe it or not... but just some links to read:

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3368731,00.html

 

"Jesus' burial site found - film claims

 

New film documents discovery of Jerusalem cave containing ten caskets believed to hold remains of Jesus, Mary, Mary Magdalene and others..."

 

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Culture/10764.htm

 

"The cave in which Jesus was buried has been found in Jerusalem, claim the makers of a new documentary film -- including a coffin containing his bones.

 

If it proves true, the discovery, which will be revealed at a press conference in New York Monday, could shake up the Christian world as one of the most significant archeological finds in history.

 

The coffins which, according to the filmmakers held the remains of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene will be displayed for the first time on Monday in New York."

 

and:

 

http://aoreport.com/mag/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=608&Itemid=44

 

--------------->>>>>>>Quoted:

 

"Yes, it would appear that a major, earthshaking announcment of historic proportions is about to take place next Monday, (2/26/7) when a news conference will be held to announce the discovery of the Tomb of Jesus Christ of Nazareth as well as that of his family members. The news conference is part of a publicity effort in advance of a TV program that will focus on the archaeological discovery of this tomb and the containers that held the bodies of the family members. It is not clear if any remains have been found or not."

 

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5,6. The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete

 

accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him

 

regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.

 

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>>Wow, that 3DTV sounds awesome.<<

 

3DTV rocks- you really get into it. Old films are digitally enhanced and made 3D... how to explain it... like in a movie when you see closeups of people, with 3DTV it's not a closeup- they're just closer to you... the background (that's not in the original film) is added etc... I watched Star Wars 4 on TV today and I must say seeing it on TV is like watching it through a window.

 

>>Is your younger self against the Iraq War?<<

 

How many senior citizens today think the Vietnam War was a good war? Not many. Why? Because 30 years have passed, a lot of stuff has happened... people today think differently... people today think back to that war and realize what a waste it was. My younger self was against the war, all of you will too in 30 years.

 

>>If he said or did anything about it and was arrested for whatever reason, and killed in prison, would you decorporealize?<<

 

My other younger self is my past- to me, it happened a long time ago. So since I was never arrested, he won't get arrested... he CAN'T get arrested because I didn't. That means if he somehow does get arrested, I'd be very concerned. The TTP site went down last week which freaked me out because it's supposed to be up for at least three more years. The only way that site could go down is if I or another time traveler altered history which resulted in it going down.

 

As it stands, I was a poster who stopped posting... I'm part of their buried history. My once being a poster there did not affect anything, the same applies to this site which is why I will speak a little more openly- because ultimately this site will come down too and these words will be lost- the continuity of history will go on unaltered. How do I know this? Because in 2044 "Titorian" is not "a time traveler from 2044 who went back to 2006", it's what you call a Time travel groupie... it's slang. I measure my exposure through Google searches.

 

>>Do they build any new theme parks in the Walt Disney World resort between now and 2044?<<

 

Yes. Another Epcot-type family place.

 

>>You said there are more rides in the future, are there any in particular that you remember and miss going on?<<

 

I can explain "the Disney experience" in 2044, which also explains the wave of the future for 2044. In 2044, the Disney characters are all AI and live in virtual reality. This means your kids can talk to them whenever they want- sort of like Avatars today except they're real and they follow you around.

 

This means that when your kid goes to Disney to meet the same exact real-life Mickey Mouse they know from the net, they will meet the real Mickey Mouse in person- a robot with the same AI... Mickey Mouse already knows your kids, already knows which rides they want to go on, remembers that email your kid sent him a week ago etc. etc. (imagine Christmas). It's a firsthand experience. 3DTV allows your kids to see a holosim of Mickey Mouse but at Disney, your kids can actually meet him for real, in person. This is what people pay to see.

 

As such, Disney dosen't change that much between now and 2044. Sure there are new rides but the overall experience is different. 3DTV is perhaps the single largest difference between today and 2044 and robot sims are the cutting edge of technology. Apart from that, sure they have new rides that take you up and down and sideways but at Disney, it's all real.

 

Imagine walking through a ride instead of sitting in a boat or car- imagine everything around you is VR-alive. You see where this is going.

 

>>I'm pretty much certain there'll be more Disney hotels in the future. Any favorites?<<

 

I am currently staying at the Animal Kingdom Lodge and like this place very much- you wake up and there's giraffe in the backyard. They pay "animal keepers" to chat with guests, it has a lot of atmosphere. I was also here during Christmas and it made me feel at home.

 

>>Do they get rid of the busses and replace them with more monorails and/or light rail?<<

 

No- they use the transporters! LOL

 

>>Any other changes to the resort that stand out to you.<<

 

This is the first time I've been to this lodge from my point of view- meaning, my younger self never came here (so I never came here before). I like this place because it looks very "earthy" or organic- like part of the rainforest. It's going to sound weird but in 2044, people are closer to nature... we're all tree huggers or hippies or whatever you call them today- we conserve; we use less. We don't flash it as much.

 

>>You seem to refer to the whole area as "Celebration", does the way the area is incorporated change?<<

 

>>Are there any attractions that aren't there in the future anymore that you were particularly excited about seeing?<<

 

Same answer- I am living here on vacation. In 2044, I don't live in Celebration FL, I live a thousand miles away.

 

>>No matter how fast light travels it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it.<<

 

A rolling stone gathers no moss, little sunflower.

 

>>I'm so depressed about the plastic cars. I so wanted a hovercraft.<<

 

Don't put down plastic cars- they make plastic cars today! I am saying a car is two seperate parts- the undercarrage and the top. The top part is a one piece plastic top that you lower down and screw into place. It's like getting an oil change today- it takes less than an hour to do. You can also rent car tops- that's quite popular- it's like the way you rent furniture today.

 

And it's economical- it runs of free juice! Why pay $60 to fill up your gas tank? You're throwing your money away. The downside is there are no V-12 electric Mustangs. Car shapes are standardized but there is a large variety of styles- you can really "pimp out" your car. They're like cell phones today. Some cars glow in the dark etc...

 

People don't obsess on cars as much in 2044, because car frames are made to last 20 years with engines that can last a million miles and they simply don't break down. We have simple cars that work- even the tires last 200,000 miles. They're like VCRs today. Most people don't even know what brand VCR they have, to everyone today a VCR is just a VCR. This is how we regard cars in 2044. Hope that made sense. We'll have a hovercraft after we nail down whatever the hell a graviton is, which has not yet happened.

 

>>How does Hillary become president? It seems almost impossible. There seems to be too much going against her.<<

 

Clinton is old news to me- it's like me asking you to tell me all about LBJ! And how is it impossible? And who- Obama? I never even heard of Obama before- Who ran against FDR during the primaries of his third term? Who remembers?!! You need more than a nice smile to run America, folks.

 

As I said over at TTF, Clinton runs a late, massive campaign... a year from now she'll be on your TVs a dozen times a day, every day up to election day. Just wait until Clinton does Oprah.

 

Historically, in 2044 we blame you people for the decade of terror, not President Bush. When a President starts a war with a 90% approval rating, who else are you going to blame- the President for doing what 90% of the people agreed with or the 90% of you who thought it was a good idea? Bush is not a bad guy... historically he's not another Nixon as you all would have him be. He's the last of the old guard. Clinton is different... Clinton is not a warmonger, Clinton is eager and is not an old guard Republican. Clinton's got balls. To me, Clinton is old news- she served her term 30 years ago and turned the tide inward.

 

 

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Hello, I am new and I must say this thread is rather interesting. I don't claim to be an expert in time travel or sci-fi and I am much less cleverer and ignorant than other people in this thread, but I wanted to ask:

 

Are there any significant natural disasters that will occur in the next twenty years? I realise that you could obviously generalize and say "a event that kills many people" or a "earthquake happens" and "people die in Africa". I also understand that I cannot remember the specific dates for events that took place over 40 years ago, but I can remember events of significance that took place at that time, because they are well known and documented and they are part of world history.

 

The natural disaster that occurs will gain a lot of press coverage and because it is significant and specific it is remembered for decades to come, so even if you cannot recall the date or the specific details you will be well aware that it took place, in your time.

 

 

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Titorian,

 

Historically, in 2044 we blame you people for the decade of terror, not President Bush.

What do you mean by "you people"? You've become one of us - and by your own admission you can't go back. Moreover, according to your story, your former people have time travel and can come here if they are willing to pay the price (which is quite negotiable - also acording to your story).

 

It's possible that "you" (plural) are blaming the wrong people. Maybe, because of time travel, it is your people who need to carry the "burden" of blame.

 

And remember - you only know the history of "your people" up to the day that you departed. And even that take on history is a personal opinion based on your observations and limited scope of knowledge.

 

 

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>>What do you mean by "you people"? You've become one of us - and by your own admission you can't go back. Moreover, according to your story, your former people have time travel and can come here if they are willing to pay the price (which is quite negotiable - also acording to your story). It's possible that "you" (plural) are blaming the wrong people. Maybe, because of time travel, it is your people who need to carry the "burden" of blame.<<

 

Are you suggesting it is the responsibility of time travelers from the future to fix the messed up past: the present? That if the stock market crashes, a time traveler should magically appear with a truck full of gold bricks and hand them out on Wall Street?

 

>>And remember - you only know the history of "your people" up to the day that you departed. And even that take on history is a personal opinion based on your observations and limited scope of knowledge.<<

 

The history I am going by is the written history of the historical events of 2007. (As stated earlier), time has a way of compressing history and in the process, 99% of everything that happens becomes forgotten. Look at the history of 2006- it's enough to fill a magazine. And in 2011, they'll make a magazine-sized history book for this decade. Then "the history of 2006" will become further edited and by 2044 you can sum the year up in a page or two. THIS is my historical source, or point of view.

 

You folks are living in the present. That means you do not know the future. That means when stuff happens, you don't know the ramifications of it. Like the stock market yesterday- everyone was worried. Why? Because they didn't know if this was the beginning of the end or just a hiccup. The only way you will know the ramifications is to wait it out... "let time pass".

 

As far as my scope of knowledge, I claim to be of average intelligence and am as informed about the day's events as any layman. And as a layman, when I want to learn all about 2007, I consult the two pages of history written on it in 2044 and learn.

 

One thing we definetly will have less of in 2044 is skepticism. Is global warming real or not? I'm not sure, because even though 99% of all scientists think it is, the debate is still going on, so we can go on about our lives putting more CO2 into the atmosphere without guilt.

 

And just yesterday on the news- they were talking about what a good thing it was that the stock market dropped so much because that only means it will have to go back up again- regardless of the fact that $600 billion dollars was lost on one day.

 

You are all willing to pretend that things happening right in front of you are not actually happening. Then you'll turn the news on and hear that another 12,000 people are getting laid off but it's all good- that means the stock will go up one point from this. I am currently 24 years old and was caught up in all of this just as you but I am not "one of you" simply because I have already lived in this time and learned lessons you folks have yet to learn. I am not saying I am better or smarter than you, I just already lived it. You can hardly deny my position.

 

 

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Hello Titorian,

 

I have been watching your story with a great interest, and it has bring few questions in my mind. I am really sorry about the questionable tone - I think, you already know the name of the game and how to play it - and I hope you don't mind answering on them.

 

Historically, in 2044 we blame you people for the decade of terror, not President Bush. When a President starts a war with a 90% approval rating, who else are you going to blame- the President for doing what 90% of the people agreed with or the 90% of you who thought it was a good idea? Bush is not a bad guy... historically he's not another Nixon as you all would have him be. He's the last of the old guard.

I know you already answered in your own way to some of these questions, but could please clarify them us.

 

Could you please tell us - with your own words - on how do you see people from this time? What about others, how they react to 'this' history?

 

How do you feel you to live with these people?

 

What do you mean with the 'Old Guard'? (Are you aware that Mr B cheated his way into the 'house' not once, but twice...)

 

 

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Titorian,

 

Are you suggesting it is the responsibility of time travelers from the future to fix the messed up past: the present?

Not at all. I'm not suggesting anything. I'm stating that you are no longer a part of the future. You're here - now. You are one of "them" from the perspective of your former peers, i.e. you are what you eat...or you are now their enemy because for all they know - or care - anything "bad" that happens here and now is to some degree your doing no more and no less than anyone else's.

 

Moreover, you can't state with any degree of certainty that this assertion isn't true. You've never been to the future beyond the day that you left. You have no clue about their opinion of you.

 

Hey. I didn't write this story. I'm just telling it like it is based on how you chose to write it up.

 

 

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You talk about entanglement and how if you knocked on your other self's doorstep you'd decorporalize. But isn't you putting the effort into making your little "care package" a violation of your own rules, meaning- wouldn't you decorporalize the moment before you handed that briefcase to the courier to deliver?

 

You mentioned there were other before you, including some who contacted you via this board. Well where are they? This is a pretty anonymous forum, saying hi won't make you disappear.

 

For that matter, how will we know if you decorporalize?

 

 

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The history I am going by is the written history of the historical events of 2007. (As stated earlier), time has a way of compressing history and in the process, 99% of everything that happens becomes forgotten. Look at the history of 2006- it's enough to fill a magazine. And in 2011, they'll make a magazine-sized history book for this decade. Then "the history of 2006" will become further edited and by 2044 you can sum the year up in a page or two. THIS is my historical source, or point of view.

 

You folks are living in the present. That means you do not know the future. That means when stuff happens, you don't know the ramifications of it. Like the stock market yesterday- everyone was worried. Why? Because they didn't know if this was the beginning of the end or just a hiccup. The only way you will know the ramifications is to wait it out... "let time pass".

 

As far as my scope of knowledge, I claim to be of average intelligence and am as informed about the day's events as any layman. And as a layman, when I want to learn all about 2007, I consult the two pages of history written on it in 2044 and learn.

 

I have to submit that at this time your paper for this year cannot be fully relied on. That paper is YOUR (decorporalized) past not ours. You will undoubtably create some ripples that may change things. As far as you being here now you are as responsible as the rest of us for our future. I also submit each one of us can change things and you do not have to be a time traveler to do so. This world is as much yours now as it is ours. You are responsible for what you know. For you to sit back and do nothing is as bad as us sitting back and doing nothing.

 

THAT is the truth.

 

But I submit to you who is more to blame for non-action? The one who knows what will happen or the one who can only guess?

 

One thing we definetly will have less of in 2044 is skepticism.

 

One way you can tell a bad generation is the degree of skepticism and lack of belief in what one is told. The reason for the skepticism in the first place is because of the many lies one has been told and been burned on that they can no longer believe. For then one has to provide many proofs upon proofs for one to believe even then they may not believe because they never fully trust again even if someone is telling the truth about something quite unbelievable. Doubts are certain because one does not want to be burned again so extra proof is required.

 

 

 

It is not the believer/unbeliever that is to blame it is the many liars that have created such a time.

 

 

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jmpet quote:

 

"You mentioned there were other before you, including some who contacted you via this board. Well where are they? This is a pretty anonymous forum, saying hi won't make you disappear."

 

As I mentioned to Titorian in private ..If such a facility exists I would personally like to visit it.

 

I do not want to participate in any type of time travel there.. I just want to see it.

 

I would like a tour!

 

 

 

p.s. free autographs for all the technicians and complete silence guaranteed! :)lol

 

 

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>>Could you please tell us - with your own words - on how do you see people from this time? What about others, how they react to 'this' history<<

 

A good way of looking at it is to go back to the early 1970's- back before they started "safety sealing" everything in the store. Back when you could pop open a bottle of Extra Strength Tylenol, take a few, then close it up again and put it back on the shelf, back to when you were free to open and reclose milk bottles in the supermarket at will. How, as a time traveler, could you explain to them that "in the future, everything will be tamper-resistant safety sealed?

 

You don't look down on them, you just understand that these people haven't yet experienced all the things that can happen when you don't safety seal stuff, so the notion of safety sealing rat poison (to make sure no one puts rat poison in it, naturally) would rightfully sound absurd to them.

 

>>How do you feel you to live with these people?<<

 

Well I am currently 24 years old and a thousand miles away from here- I have distinct memories of these times. But to me, they're personal memories of my times, not the world at large. I was against the Iraq war but I didn't do anything about it. I wouldn't do the same thing today. OT- I am getting a little tired of The Daily Show pointing out how incompetent our government is- they always stop at the halfway point where it's funny, not the other half that's sad and true (and actionable).

 

>>What do you mean with the 'Old Guard'? (Are you aware that Mr B cheated his way into the 'house' not once, but twice...)<<

 

Old guard- big belly, pork barrelling, ten thousand dollar a plate dinners, big fat payoffs. The old guard. Make each other rich, look out for #1, play billionaire games... that sorta stuff. And I thought he had the majority vote on his re-election- I must be wrong.

 

>>You talk about entanglement and how if you knocked on your other self's doorstep you'd decorporalize. But isn't you putting the effort into making your little "care package" a violation of your own rules, meaning- wouldn't you decorporalize the moment before you handed that briefcase to the courier to deliver?<<

 

For starters, I "retro-financed" all the things I am buying. In other words, I have a logical explanation for where the monies came from in 2006 for the tax man, should come looking (it also helps for "universal continuity"). Secondly, all my investments are in not-yet-developed technologies and open real estate. I am buying into companies that thousands of other investors are also buying into today before the stocks hit big. It's not like suddenly appearing with 1975-issued Microsoft stock... I am "making it make sense" which is a lot harder to do. The possibility does exist that I will be unable to hand it all over, but my attorney is helping me do all of this and we have already bought the bulk of the investments. From that point of view, I should have been unable to do what I have already done.

 

This ties into the earlier discussion about whether or not I will actually decorporealize... that this may simply not be the case- which is a very interesting concept- a universe full of atoms all existing in infinite dual states would undoubtably produce a range of interactions- kinda like our current universe! Imagine instead of the same atoms (me) existing twice in one time, we have the same atom existing in a million different places at the same time.

 

>>You mentioned there were other before you, including some who contacted you via this board. Well where are they? This is a pretty anonymous forum, saying hi won't make you disappear.<<

 

They said they have no desire to tell their story. Time travelers don't come back just to show off to the world that they're time travelers- they do it for various reasons. The people who contacted me had information about the Branson time machine that only a time traveler would know, so they were the real deal.

 

I never bought into the whole "big brother" thing- there are no time cops and no one's policing spacetime. And even if there were- who's to say what they're doing is right or wrong? Life itself is a random occurance- randomness is good. Who watches the watchers?

 

>>For that matter, how will we know if you decorporalize?<<

 

I was thinking about telling my attorney to contact you guys "after I go". Perhaps I should.

 

>>I have to submit that at this time your paper for this year cannot be fully relied on. That paper is YOUR (decorporalized) past not ours.<<

 

I agree just as much as I disagree. I agree because my history of 2044 is based on a few pages of paper that outline in the most general fashion the events of these times. Kinda like reading up on say, 1966. HOWEVER... I still stand fast in saying most of what happens in daily life is meaningless, useless and forgotten shortly after it's done. How many people are going to remember Anna Nicole in five years? How many will remember in five weeks? Not many. Who can tell me the date Anna Nicole died? Who can tell me offhand the date we bombed Somalia? What was the date Princess Di died? I'll settle for the month or year on that one. When did either of the space shuttles blow up?

 

You guys turn on the news and it's the news' job to keep you tuned to their channel no matter what. So they sensationalize news... they spice it up and make it entertaining. They take every little thing that happens and go full out on it 24 hours live. And you stare at it thinking this is history you're watching. All while the Federal Government is throwing away what little money they have left- your money.

 

>>You will undoubtably create some ripples that may change things. As far as you being here now you are as responsible as the rest of us for our future.<<

 

My ripples won't affect everyone- at least not now and not in a bad way. If they affect anyone, they'll affect me first and I accepted that before I went through. And realizing that if my ripples do/will/could change things, I walk softly.

 

>>I also submit each one of us can change things and you do not have to be a time traveler to do so. This world is as much yours now as it is ours. You are responsible for what you know. For you to sit back and do nothing is as bad as us sitting back and doing nothing.

 

THAT is the truth.<<

 

This is more like 2044 talk. This is why real time travelers don't come through with pomp and circumstance- we're here just like you, we're not here to change the future as much as live it. The more dire a time traveler's warnings are, the more likely they're a fraud. Time travel is not the be all, end all- it's the newest gadget.

 

>>But I submit to you who is more to blame for non-action? The one who knows what will happen or the one who can only guess?<<

 

This is bad logic... it's "unAmerican". If everyone was doing what they were best suited for, we'd live in a wonderful Communist sociey where everyone does what they do best and everyone gets a slice of the pie. But in 2007 this is not the case- millions of Americans are settling for what's out there because the whole game is skewed against the individual- at the moment at least. You guys are so close to change! But there's always a price to pay.

 

>>As I mentioned to Titorian in private ..If such a facility exists I would personally like to visit it.<<

 

It looks like "The Incredible Motor Mouse Cat Toy" but a lot bigger. There's lots of one way doors and security cameras and passkeys and such... it's designed to take people away from the center where the recieving station is. The campus is worth a visit though- it's kinda like the ultimate dorm room. And the outside looks nothing like the inside- it's all underground.

 

 

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I was born in 1982 and currently my younger alternate self is 24 years old. I am 62 years old and decided to take the trip back in time because of my terminal health- time travel is a one way trip.

 

>>How do you feel you to live with these people?<<

 

Well I am currently 24 years old and a thousand miles away from here- I have distinct memories of these times. But to me, they're personal memories of my times, not the world at large. I was against the Iraq war but I didn't do anything about it. I wouldn't do the same thing today. OT- I am getting a little tired of The Daily Show pointing out how incompetent our government is- they always stop at the halfway point where it's funny, not the other half that's sad and true (and actionable).

 

How old are you (24 or 62)? Why do you say 'thousand of miles from here' when you should say decades from my own time? Shouldn't you be saying ' I remember when I was at this time opposing the middle-east war...', but you don't do that. You don't talk from your 'golden-age' memories.

 

>>What do you mean with the 'Old Guard'? (Are you aware that Mr B cheated his way into the 'house' not once, but twice...)<<

 

Old guard- big belly, pork barrelling, ten thousand dollar a plate dinners, big fat payoffs. The old guard. Make each other rich, look out for #1, play billionaire games... that sorta stuff. And I thought he had the majority vote on his re-election- I must be wrong.

Well if you're really fed up to tellie, then I recommend you to google around and see what other people are thinking. The question is, what does your history book say about 2004 US presidential election, can you give us a quote?

 

 

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Titorian wrote:

 

"have distinct memories of these times. But to me, they're personal memories of my times, not the world at large."

 

Whato about this date March 21st 2007...

 

Check "yer" history book on your personal timeline/timeworld/parallel reality

 

add your <= 2 divergence and mix it!

 

LOL

 

on this date:

 

quoted:

 

"Iran has outlawed the American dollar and will put anyone in jail that uses it in their country after that date. They have the ominous notoriety of being the first nation in the world to do such a thing. The real issue in Iran is NOT nuclear, but rather the decision to not use the American dollar for trade and the sale of oil. On the heels of Iran's decision, North Korea has followed suit and also outlawed the use of the American dollar in their country. Finally, Malaysia the next day did the same thing."

 

end quoted

 

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Regards

 

5,6. The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete

 

accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him

 

regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.

 

SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR

 

:)

 

 

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Recall,

 

Iran has outlawed the American dollar and will put anyone in jail that uses it in their country after that date. They have the ominous notoriety of being the first nation in the world to do such a thing.

Don't believe everything you read in the gnews and review. Iran wasn't the first country do do this. Using foreign currency in just about any country is a violation of the law. It is in the USA, for instance. If you go to Mexico you can only use US dollars, legally at least, in the Border Zone (Frontera) - the first 21 km south of the Rio Grande.

 

Of course, people gladly accept US dollars in a lot of countries (including Mexico) - but it's still illegal...and has been so for a very long time.

 

 

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Of course, people gladly accept US dollars in a lot of countries (including Mexico) - but it's still illegal...and has been so for a very long time.

There are plenty of those people and countries which are shy of using US Dollars at the moment. You might have seen central banks liquidating their currency backups and value of dollar going down. I remember well the time when EUR was equal to USD - it certainly isn't that any more.

 

 

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