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Re: Royal Airforce contact me about John

 

Ruthless,

 

thats funny, your isp is located within walking distance of darby's, and thats VA. strange...

Oh, boy.

 

The IP resolved to Reston, Va because I logged in on one of my systems that uses Verizon DSL. Verizon's hub is in Reston, VA. Any Verizon DSL customer will have a Whois resolve to Reston, VA.

 

Pamela is on AOL. All AOL users' IP's will resolved to Manassas, VA. That's where AOL's hub is located. With AOL you'll also see more than one user with the same IP. AOL's IP's are dynamic. AOL users don't have a unique static IP.

 

Pamela is in Ohio. I'm in Southern California.

 

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BTW: I wsn't being secretive when I made the post about Javier. I've stated in several posts that Titor/Time_Travel_0's multiple IP's are known to at least a half dozen people.

 

Remember, he did use the Internet. The sites that he chose to post on did not, at that time at least, show the members' IP's. The post simply said "IP Logged". The TOS agreements for those sites, again - at that time, included a statement that the SysAdmin would not reveal the IP to anyone not specifically authorized to view the information. I don'tknow how TTI was set up in-so-far as Mod rights were. But the mods can usually click on the "IP Logged" hypertext and reveal the IP. There were a couple of Mods here and on Post-2-Post in 2000-2001 in addition to the SysAdmins.

 

And there's your hint...IP Logged. And because the story got so "big" the logs were saved.

 

Titor usually logged in via a proxy and masked his real IP. "Usually"is the important word there. He failed to spoof his IP a few times. And when that occured his real IP was logged - and that IP was shared by a regular member on that site.

 

Now, the SysAdmin/Owners won't reveal the information to you. But if you are really curious and you just have to have the information there is a way to get it - legally and without violating the original TOS agreement. Just buy the sites and you will have it all.

 

What sites did Titor log onto? Well, you know of at least four.

 

You know about Art Bell's site Post-2-Post. It shut down a few weeks after Titor stopped posting. As far as I know Art and Premiere Radio own the rights. At least four people there had access to the IP logs.

 

There's this site. The owner is Raul Burriel.

 

The other two sites were:

 

The Peanut Gallery (http://www.pn3.com?) - something like that. I don't recall the URL. It no longer exists.

 

The other site is the one where he had the IRC conversation with MysticWarrior. She's never told me what that site was.

 

As I said, the information is there. Titor was not "anonymous" to the SysAdmin on The Site. And Titor was not Javier.

 

Obviously, I've had the opportunity over the years to talk to one or more of the half dozen people who have the specific knowledge and was able to gather some details. But because of the TOS agreement the "fine details" of the issue are not for public consumption.

 

But if you owned the site then it would be your choice as to how to proceed, yes?

 

The point of all of this isn't that I expect you to try to buy this or any of the other sites. That won't be cheap.

 

The point is that there's really no secret about Titor's identity - it is discoverable. But no site owner really wants to tickle the dragon's tail by disclosing the information covered under TOS just to see if a lawyered up Group Titor would actually sue them.

 

As an aside, this situation is a part of how little sense the "I need to remain anonymous to protect myself and my family from the big bad government" ploy makes.

 

The information is there. If the big bad government was really interested in the Titor Saga it wouldn't need a search warrant, it wouldn't need a court order and it wouldn't need a subpeona duces tecum. All it would need is a telephone, a checkbook and one agent. It could just have someone play "John Q Citizen Website Investor" to play the buyer, buy the site and be done with it.

 

 

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"Indeed I find Pam to be a very open woman. Quite considerate and indulging of the varity of questions I have asked her."

 

i agree that she has been very open. but some things seem very, very strange. i'm not accusing anyone of anything. but i think its very obvious that she couldve been in on the plot. i'm not saying that she was, only that she couldve been.

 

another thing is, when i started getting to the bottom of the titor story, pamela and darby both decided not to answer key questions, and i understand why. but i am also sure that they know what it looks like too.

 

i'll put it like this, if the titor story was a hoax, he was a physisist, an engineer, and either a very bored person, or a very intelligent person trying to make a big buck. just so happens that we have a physisist, and engineer and a very bored/extremely intelligent person on this site.

 

it is also known that darby and pamela have titor stuff that noone has ever seen. i sometimes wonder why they keep it secret, then i think maybe they are trying to make a buck off it, then it makes sense. i also wonder why pamela would not tell us her profession.

 

pamela and darby have always been polite, and all- around nice folks. i respect them alot, but, to me, theres alot of unanswered questions.

 

 

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If the Goverment was really after Titor, and they saw him as a threat of somekind. They would have got him. Considering that he appears as most time travelers do on this site and many others (wack job). I don't think no goverement body gives a [censored].

 

If someone really did prove they travel through time, and I mean they were able to predict things right on the nose with dates of events. What I mean is someone in the year 200O showed up online and foretold things like 911, tsunami in Indonesia, Iraq war, Bush winning 2 elections with dates of celebrities dying. ECT ECT ECT.

 

I am sure the Goverment and MSN would read these boards everday and track these people down.

 

I am not convinced any persons on this fourm or any others is the real deal. I would love to know that time travel is real.

 

 

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Ruthless,

 

Excusing my sarcasm, that's what I was trying to get at... :)

 

Is Pamela an unwitting "pawn" or member of "Group Celebration, Fl" <Group "Titor">

 

It is clear from the photos, logos and manuals that several people were involved.

 

I wasn't around in the beginning to know Pamela's role.

 

I'm still puzzled by the "John Titor" confirmations supposedly given to Pamela.

 

At this point in the saga, I see no reason to hold on to this information.

 

Given this "British Airforce" officer revelation, I find it less than "believable" but someone could have pretended to be from the British Airforce | Intelligence and contacted Pamela via private message.

 

It only prolongs any lingering doubts that the "John Titor" is a complete hoax purportedly conducted by a group that resides/or resided in Celebration, Fl.

 

TheCigMan

 

 

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one more thing while im thinking about it. you state that titor used the same i.p. as a member of this site at least once. well then, you know that it wouldnt take me very long at all to find that. so, the way i see it, theres four options. a, you dont want to say anything for fear of something coming out about you, which i highly doubt. b, you are putting me on a wild goose chase that will never end to misdirect me. c, you want me to figure it out. and d, you have signed a non-disclosure act.

 

i would be willing to bet its c, but not sure. so i have two questions for you. the obvious first:

 

which one is it? a,b,c,d, or the magical e?

 

and you know when i find it, im going to post it. are you ok with that?

 

and finally, i want to say to both pamela and darby, these posts are in no way, shape, or form an attack. i respect both of yall greatly, and i feel like these are innocent questions.

 

i have most of the story figured out, i am just missing a few pieces.

 

i know that most, if not all of this has been said before, and i apologize for beating a dead horse...

 

 

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I wonder what it is that you think I have kept hidden from you Ruthless?

 

The only thing I have kept secret about John is info that I can use to verify to myself that

 

I am again talking to the same person who called himself "john Titor."

 

If I gave out that info it would become useless to me.

 

He may decide to come forward some day and I will have the info I need to verify him.

 

I'm sorry but I am not giving that up.

 

To answer Eric's question: No, I don't believe it like I once did. The primary reason(there are other reasons as well) is the absolute refusal of the "mother" to answer the one question I have been asking her for years.

 

"Where is the departure video?" It was written in the book that she had sent it out to the individuals who were suppose to receive it. The other question was "why can't another one be sent?"

 

After years of not receiving an answer and being rudely ignored I have come to the conclusion one does not exist. That it must have been a hoax that got big and someone tried to make money from it.

 

But there are some things that happened that still remain somewhat of a mystery to me that cause me to wonder still.

 

 

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ruthless,

 

i'll put it like this, if the titor story was a hoax, he was a physisist, an engineer,

That much is very unlikely - and it may be the only part fo the Titor Saga that was real. he said that he wasn't a physicist.

 

His science and engineering, in the story, was really, really bad. He borrowed bits and pieces from a few pop-sci physics books that were on the bookshelves at the time but that's about the extent of his knowledge.

 

 

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Darby,

 

I have to ask. Are you just taking this persons word that says he knows about John's IP?

 

Or have you been shown some kind of actual proof?

 

By the way the only places I know John posted was Time travel institute and Art bell.

 

The only places he chatted was in MSN chat rooms and whatever mysticwarrier chatted on.

 

That other web site(http://www.pn3.com) was the place that a certain poster posted stuff about John but it was not John.

 

John even mentioned this somewhere in the threads. It was posted when John was still posting.

 

I can't think of his name right now. You know the guy who stole that "got light? make matter" saying from me. :)

 

I think he even still posts here once in a while.

 

 

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ruthless,

 

so, the way i see it, theres four options. a, you dont want to say anything for fear of something coming out about you, which i highly doubt. b, you are putting me on a wild goose chase that will never end to misdirect me. c, you want me to figure it out. and d, you have signed a non-disclosure act.

It's not a wild goose chase and I'm not putting you on. The information can be had but for a price. For me it's just another Internet TT saga - though it is body, head and shoulders above the "Once Every Two Weeks" TT stories that we have seen since 2001. But it is still a form of inconsequential entertainment. I'm not curious enough to spend $100 let alone $20k to $25k to find the answer. (Those are real numbers, not numbers that I just made up, BTW)

 

But I didn't sign a non-disclosure contract. Like the person(s) with whom I was in contact, I too am a forum administrator. If I were to violate a significant privacy TOS agreement on that person's site then the people on my site with whom I have similar agreements under TOS would have no reason to think that I wouldn't also violate their privacy TOS agreements on Anomalies. Very bad for business not to mention reputation.

 

I know that people get frustrated when yet another yahoo with a silly TT story and a cloaked IP comes along. I get the same on Anomalies - and on Anomalies I have access to the uncloaked IP and email addy because of the requirements for registering. But I don't disclose even if the person is an absolute fool who would piss off the Pope Himself.

 

(And besides - its all entertainment. Where'sthe fun in having the answer to a mystery dumped in your lap without any grunt work being done? ;) )

 

I've tossed this bone out there for those who just have to know the answer.

 

 

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Did I sound a bit harsh?

 

Well, not making up an excuse, I heard a little bit of Dr. Mallet last night. Unfortunately, I turned off the radio though, so I did not listen to the rest of it.

 

First, an idea is suppose to make some sense, but lately, it seems that some people are not making sense. Perhaps it just has to do with my age group, or all the News, or some of what happened in the Past. Titor's physics may not even be aether physics in that sense either, although one website claims a book even with the math formulae to prove that there should be an aether physics.

 

I just do not see where in the end they are not really talking about gravity and that statement in Hyperspace where the next step is combining gravity and light in some type of formulae. I just do not have time to go back to the 1900's or so (1920's) to look up everything that was thought about Michael-Morley's Experiment or even that of Maxwell's Experiment. I just take it as my own thought that back at that time, the experiments were not as accurate as they might be done today, and although accurate enough for what they were doing, I read nothing inbetween the lines to suggest that anything is different except the hype and the reason to make money. It seems there is no website to really explain aether physics (as I have found to exist as of yet) so either one buys a book or does not really read all that much about it.

 

Besides the book "The SS Brotherhood of the Bell" being somewhat read and whatever it is about scalar physics, which I can see about what it is about ( taking the math formulae used at the time and omitting a scalar term in the formulae) I just have not had any time to really examine why I should accept any of it as of yet.

 

Of course, with lasers and other coherent light beams and such, nowadays, there maybe something there that warrants further investigation. It boils down though to the same problem. If anyone is looking for something to replace N-weapons and be even worse creating those weapons like gamma-ray thingys or anything else, then I suppose all I can say is that humans may never make it off of this Planet. If it is about UFO's and whatever and defending this Planet from some imaginary or real threat that does not really seem to exist as of yet, I call it superstitution. I mean if spacealiens got here, they may just be far enough ahead in technology to warrant at least being nice to them, because in the end as something stated that Ike Eisenhower President back in 1952-56 is supposed to have stated "we could not do anything about it anyway" which in the end makes more sense to me than having Outer Space weapons, all this seemmingly closed-looped time curve that seems similiar to the '70's and cycles in time. I think in the end, you just can not have political parties that seem to go from one extreme to another in a sense. If anything that makes Titor kind of stick around more, even not being here, because in the end, someone else that knew about all of that may be able to predict how people will act -- in the future. It also gets back to being a police person, and although I think there are another million ways to think, it seems my generation and older people seem to be stuck only on those two ideas. I really do not find it all that amusing, and I really am getting tired of the debate that has been going on for the last 40 years, especially when some aspects just remind me that Titor may even be considered real, although the science at this time does not fit. Well, that is sometimes why I get harsh.

 

So, lately I think I will spend more time doing something else, for these type of people do not seem to be getting any better, and that is all I can say. If spacealiens did want to come here and be more advanced in technology, I really just don't think humans could stop that kind of action anyway. Maybe in the future, but then nowadays I just do not see anymore about bringing it up.

 

I highly doubt if there was any outside influence stating to be a time traveller would also make any sense to most people on this Planet, even if events seem to be happening at certain times as if what the person stated was indeed happening. Afterall, China has to clean up its pollution or certain events may be cancelled at the Olympics or it seems right now, that China spent $40 billion dollars on the wrong thing - the Olympics instead of pollution.

 

Perhaps it all has something to do with some people being hot-headed stubborn people on the Planet. In which case the future weapons being thought about only end up being used on humans in the future because the spacealiens were smart enough to go back to their own planet and only watch what humans were doing in the first place. There would be common issues on that, because to them humans may seem dangerous, and to us spacealiens may seem dangerous. Other issues also as something that only may happen if humans ever get off of this Planet.

 

Superstitution is superstitution no matter how one tries and disguise it. Fortunately for humans the Universe seems to be relatively beneign when it comes to this area of Space in the Galaxy.

 

Humans though, seem to be presenting always a different version for some purposes I can not fathom anymore. It just leads to more stupid ideas in the future as if humans are working on the problems when it may be just that humans are creating more problems for the future than any human in the future could end up solving. Seems like kind of a burden to put on kids while adults claim they are smarter.

 

 

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What I want to know is Where is the "big money" to be made off this alleged hoax? Where is the hundred million dollar movie, the action figures, the lunch boxes? That book of thiers, how long has it been on the #1 best seller list? How many books have been sold considering you have a varity of places onine to get the same information? People say it was all a hoax to make a buck. That is one looney theory. Consider this person faxed Art Bell two faxes in 98. Then began posting in 2000 to 2001. That is a four year investment of time for what? A lame book that contains nothing more than what is already available online? Thats tops marketing there buddy.

 

So cig man, darby, SOMEBODY PLEASE tell me, cause I can't see it, where is the multi-million dollar deal in this phenomina?

 

 

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HAHAHA Ruthless...Thanks.. Check out my reply to you on my 2012 thread please...unless you already did then disreguard my request. ...I have heard your reposnse for years now. He did it for the money he did it for the money yet no "BIG" money has been made from this....Pam isn't makeing millions...IN fact I don't think she has made a dime...Nobody has approached florida jim offering him money for his story? The majority thinks hoax...The majority also thinks idiots with box cutters convinced pilots to give up thier planes..Pilots with military experiance sucumbing to one inch wafer blades....YEA RIGHT...Thats just as good as the nukes Cheny and Condi said Saddam had.... If there is money to be made from this it hasn't been made in 6 years...and it doesn't look promising in the next 6...

 

 

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I don't believe that the Titor story was made up to make money. I do not believe there is a group of people behind this in FL.

 

What I do believe is that Titor is a phoney. I also believe he is someone that read lots of books and theories on time travel. Anyone could come up with an original schematic that looks like a time machine, and then scan it. That photo with the laser bending is a fake. My GF does photo imagaing and she took one look at it and said it was a fake. He did have a great imagination. Most of what he predicted has not happened. Some will say he predicted war in the middle east? That is crap. There has been war in the middle east for a long time. There are a few key things he said that have not come true. Most important was WACO type events. There are not that many right now.

 

I have heard some much of what he has said be twisted around. Unless you have the original chats and things, people often make [censored] up. I have heard people say he predicted Hurricane Katrina, 911, Pope dies, ect ect. None of this was ever said by him. You think that someone with that much info on the future would have predicted some major key things.

 

Some will argue that if he mention somethings like this it would effect the timeline. Lets be real about this. How many people will believe anything some guy post on an internet board?

 

If I said that there will be breakthrough in space travel in 5 years.

 

Earthquake in California in latre 2007

 

The war in Iraq will not end for 5 more years.

 

Rudy G will be the next president of the US.

 

Dick Chaney will die of a heart failure

 

Bin Laden will not ever be captured, but dies in about 10 years.

 

Now if 3 of these statements come true. And provided you all with a false original schematic and pics of a hoax time machine of some kind. Then made it to look like a military document. Does that make me a time traveler?

 

 

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Eric... Some things Titor said could be considered cold reading..That " A soldiers winter" poem was not a prediction..some just asked him once if he remembered any poetry from 2036 and thats what he offered... Turns out someone who never heard of titor wrote it more then 3 years after he left.

 

IF you said

 

If I said that there will be breakthrough in space travel in 5 years.

 

Earthquake in California in latre 2007

 

The war in Iraq will not end for 5 more years.

 

Rudy G will be the next president of the US.

 

Dick Chaney will die of a heart failure

 

Bin Laden will not ever be captured, but dies in about 10 years.

 

I would not believe any of it. I am really well educated. Bin laden is dead. Cheny is alrady sick but he has the money and power to live if if he should face justice. Rudy has no hope in hell. IN FACT Ron paul despite everything thing has unimaginably become the most likely to get the Nomination and lose to hillary...Amazing that but so is the internet. The war in iraq will go on much long after we leave. We destablized it so it will be years till the get thier act back together ..good job team america. And as for your earthquake... Thier is an earth quake in cali every month... You are absolutly right There will be a quake in late 2007. CAli will also suffer a quake in early 2008 middle 2008 and late 2008.

 

Titor never NEVER NOT EVER spoke of hurricanes, earthquakes, the closest he ever got to weather was telling people how the sun looked in 2036 when they asked him about it...thats it...and yea from his answers there and many others posts thats how I figured out the caldera of 2012. The shoe fit.

 

Titor knew WAY TOO MUCH to be a single hoaxer...that only leaves two explanations. one he was real or two a group did it. The only way a single individual knows about the varity of things he touched on was if it really happened to him....

 

IT DID!

 

Please bring your girlfriend online and have her answer why she thinks the laser photo is a fake or at least relay the information to us that everyone might be enlightened.... God knows I am trying to get ruthless to spill how he "knows" titor was a fake...everyone seems to "know" this but they are either keen not to talk about it or are willing to lie about thier proof...If anyone can prove it please do so that us believers can correct the mistake of our lives.

 

 

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