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Greetings,

 

It feels as though I never left. From my point of view I have only been gone from this forum a matter of days. It seems my visit in 2000-2001 had quite an impact on the world. The nuclear attack never happened and the civil war was nothing more than protests in the streets. I took the time to re-read all of my posts and am surprised at the drastic changes made to the timeline. We all thank you for realizing where the world was heading, and still is but at a much slower rate.

 

 

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strange, seems like you'd might think that noone would know who you are on this timeline, on 'accounta timeline divergence, but anyways...

 

hows it going titor? ive read all your posts, big fan and what-not. so whats the deal with the pit stop? i dont remember you saying anything about stopping in 2007.

 

and how long will ya be here? ive gots lotsa questions ;)

 

 

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TTr_0,

 

Good to see you back. So what's the name of The Song? It's not that I don't believe you, but you're not actually the first person to take the name "Time Traveler 0" who claimed to be the real deal.

 

It was your idea to confidentially give the name of a song to a member for future identification purposes. Considering that the "bad" future never came about you should have no reason not to "Name That Song".

 

(Now, something tells me that I should expect an answer other than the name of the song. Call me a "time traveler" if you must for having that foreknowledge, but I'm not.)

 

 

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Hi TT0:

 

You said "The nuclear attack never happened and the civil war was nothing more than protests in the streets."

 

I wish that were true. In 2003 I saw an empty lot become a park in 2007. There were swings and families and green grass.

 

So, I looked to see the park in 2017. The grass was all dead brown, houses were falling down, and the park was abandoned. The city was empty, houses were still there, but no people were inside. I peered in through a window, but there was nothing inside, not even furniture. The roads were empty, there were no cars on the street. A tumbleweed blew in the wind. The sky was gloomy and rainy, my empty city dark and without power.

 

It was so barren and silent. No sounds of people, machines, or even insects.

 

A nearby corner grocery store, its glass front broken, was smashed bad. The dark lonely shelves were stripped bare. A feeling of desolation crept up over me. Why is downtown deserted and vacant? Where are the people?

 

 

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Jen,

 

So far I don't think that anyone actually wants to hear about your take on the future. This isn't your thread. Unless and until you come clean and explain to the Community your real identity and you stop playing the part of a 15 year old boy who never ages over many years you're stuck in a rut.

 

You do have talent as a writer. You have a message that you want to get out. But your attempts at playing the part that you've chosen, several years ago, is now all too familiar and transparent. On your own site hijacking a thread is possible. But here it hasn't served you well. The "story" that you told in your last post is seriously at odds with the hundreds of posts that you've made here and elsewhere.

 

When you decide to come clean maybe you'll be better received.

 

 

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Hello Hdrkid:

 

A certain lady of my acquaintance once surprised a group of her friends by mentally going to a distant hospital to check on the progress of the scheduled operation on a relative of one of the members. She did so and reported that the operation was postponed due to heart arrythmia of the patient. The member in question called the hospital sometime later and found that the operation had been postponed exactly for the reported reason.

 

I say this because within the last few days, and partly as the result of your reply above, I asked this lady if she had ever used her ability to see what the future held. She replied that she had not. I then asked her to try to do so and give me a report on the general goings on in the city we reside in ( a city of about 1800 on the WI-MI border) 10 or 15 years in the future. She made the attempt and a few seconds later said, "There's no one here. It's a ghost town."

 

The reason I asked for her perception of the future was because a week or so earlier I had let my perception drift into the future, and perceived an image of the main street of the town (actually a section of U.S.41). It seemed as if there was no one around. No traffic, no people, no activity. The city seemed abandoned. In the downtown area there was one old building where a plate glass window had broken and the pieces of glass were lying on the sidewalk.

 

But it did seem that a few years after this, maybe 3 or 4, there was some activity in the house where I reside. But this was more like a vigilante headquarters or a gang control point.I perceived a somewhat futuristic looking black pick-up truck and there were weapons about.

 

So there you have it. Take it for what it is worth. :confused:

 

 

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To Darby:

 

Dr. Watson, a Nobel prize winning scientist, discoverer of DNA along with Crick says that blacks are genetically inferior.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/10/18/science.race/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

 

According to debunkers if a prominent scientist says something it must true. Well?

 

Now you understand how I feel about scientists. None of them was able to get an airplane off the ground it was up to two brothers who were bicycle repairmen to do that. The men of science were too busy yelling "THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!"

 

 

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Now you understand how I feel about scientists. None of them was able to get an airplane off the ground it was up to two brothers who were bicycle repairmen to do that. The men of science were too busy yelling "THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!"

That's one of those urban legends. The Wright Brothers were not the first to fly a powered heavier than air winged vehicle. What they accomplished was to use light weight bicycle parts and a gasoline engine in order to get a power to weight ratio that allowed for manned flight.

 

Hiram Maxim in England, Clement Ader in France and Samuel Langley in the US all accomplished unmanner powered flight using reasonably large aircraft in the 1880-1890 time frame. Langley launched his craft from a catapult on a houseboat. Sound familiar? It should,. He not only accomplished powered flight but he also invented the aircraft carrier concept. The first aircraft carrier was named for him - the USS Langley.

 

And Langley was a scientist. He was a well known astronomer who worked at the Simthsonian Institution and was later a professor at Pitt.

 

Maxim was an engineer-inventor. He invented the fully automatic machinegun. He lost the competition to Edison for the incandescent light bulb.

 

Ader was an electrical enginer. He engineered the original telephone system for Paris. He patented improvements to Bell's telephone.

 

These people were scientists and they were among dozens of scientists around the world who were working on manned flight in powered heavier than air winged vehicles in the 1880-1899 period of history.

 

I'm sure that RMT could take the discussion farther because he teaches areodynamics. I assume that he includes the history of flight in his lectures.

 

 

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i agree with you darby. but you have to admit that that statement does hold some truth. even scientists bicker amongst themselves about what is fact, and even you have stated that physics is incomplete.

 

i think science, along with everything else in this world goes by your credentials. im not saying thats a bad thing, but it can be, and alot of people who have just as much potential get left behind.

 

now, before rmt jumps in and tells me life is what you make of it, some people just do not have that luxury. psychology plays a big role in things. for instance, a person may be able to have the focus and drive to get a degree, get a job of their chosen profession, and someday teach what he was taught. but if you take this person and drop him in south central l.a., he would suddenly become a deer in headlights.(with no "hood" credentials btw) and vice versa for the kid from south central l.a. you drop him in a college atmosphere only knowing what he was raised to know, next thing you know, the whole school is wanting him banned for his wild and unruly actions. but to him, he was straightening his life up, and doing the best he could with what he had and knew.

 

so, to me, there is a double standard. in my opinion, people should be hired or fired based on their potential. i'd take a bright eyed, ready to face any challenge type of youngster over a bored, burnt out guy with 40 diplomas on his wall thats forgot more than half of what earned him those any day of the week.

 

i myself know that the only way to make it is to conform to the rules of the world, but that still does not make the rules right.

 

 

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ruthless,

 

i agree with you darby. but you have to admit that that statement does hold some truth. even scientists bicker amongst themselves about what is fact, and even you have stated that physics is incomplete.

You're absolutely correct. Scientists doe have honest differences of opinin over theory.

 

But the little homily about the Wright Brothers is always presented as if most if not all mid to late 19th Century scientists were of the opinion that powered flight was impossible. It's simply not true as evidenced by the fact that they witnessed it not to be true.

 

It's generally presented that way by people who want to convince someone else that their quack science "theory" sould be accepted with the same level of credibility as are real scieitific theories.

 

Toss out a false premise, get people to agree with it and half of the problem is solved. Suddenly it must be true - a garage tinkerer is gifted with the theoretical knowledge and engineering skill to invent cold nuclear fussion and Zero Point Energy time machines because "all the scientists" told the Wright Brothers that powered flight was impossible.

 

 

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so, to me, there is a double standard. in my opinion, people should be hired or fired based on their potential. i'd take a bright eyed, ready to face any challenge type of youngster over a bored, burnt out guy with 40 diplomas on his wall thats forgot more than half of what earned him those any day of the week.

And in a general sense I agree with you.

 

An educated burn-out is almost useless. But that's part of supervision. Really good supervisors know how to detect burn-out before it becomes a problem. Great supervisors know how to deal with it so they are able to save the employee. The employee is usually the last person to realize that s/he is burned out.

 

But there's no substitute for education in science and engineering. Bright eyes and bushy tails is a good start - they might even land a paid apprentice position while they get their education. Many businesses in technology and science offer that progam to the right candidate. But there will be a college education of 2, 4 and up to 8 years in those fields. An AS degree only gets you through the door as a tech.

 

 

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I'm sure that RMT could take the discussion farther because he teaches areodynamics. I assume that he includes the history of flight in his lectures.

As usual, Darby has his facts dead-on, and he rightly helps us understand the distinction between science and engineering. It only leaves it for me to make the distinction crystal clear. But first...

 

Not only were the Wright Brothers not the first to achieve sustained, powered flight (they WERE the first one to put a man on the airplane), but many people erroneously will attribute the Wright Brothers with "inventing the airplane". Some will even give that prize to Samuel Langley, another American. But the reality of the situation is that the very first person to separate the issues of "lift" from "thrust" was Sir George Cayley, a Brit. Before he came up with the idea of having power separate from lift generation, all other inventors were trying to create flapping-wing devices which worked like the birds. But as early as the 1800s, Sir George Cayley was envisioning a FIXED WING, with an empennage for stability, and a separate powerplant. He is generally considered the father of the modern, fixed-wing, powered aircraft. The Wright Brothers merely perfected it to the point where people could fly on it!

 

And the eventual success of the Wright Brothers illustrates the symbiotic and synergistic relationship between scientists and engineers that has been responsible for virtually all modern advances. Without scientists, engineers would be devoid of many "tools" which we use to solve our problems (math in general, and physical equations specifically). But turnabout is fair play: Without engineers, scientists would be theorizing all over the place but would often have a hard time putting their theories into workable, practical devices which test, and ultimately PROVE the correctness of their theories.

 

The Wright Brothers, while not formally trained in engineering, were without a doubt some of the finest engineers of their day and age. They READ the works of scientists and other experimenters, and then they applied that knowledge in their works. They were master builders. Their ability to physically realize the theories and equations of others into real devices is what ultimately lead them to innovations of their own (wing-warping, which eventually gave rise to the aileron).

 

Scientists and engineers need each other, and while we often enjoy taking digs at each other, there is also a very deep respect of one for the other. There would be no internet, nor cell phones, nor any one of a number of modern convenienvces, were it not for the work of BOTH scientists AND engineers!

 

RMT

 

 

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