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i am half javier cortez, half rainmantime. does this bother me? why would it? should it? because it dont. these are my peers, so when someone calls me a watered down ray hudson, it really doesent bother me. especially since i want to someday follow in his footsteps.

 

everyone sees the activist in me, hence cortez. do i think ray or javier would be mad at me for saying this? not a chance. ray WANTS me to follow in his footsteps, and i believe they would take it as a compliment rather than an insult any day.

 

out of all the things i wrote, why did you intentionally pick that? why did you intentionally misread it to use to your advantage?

 

wait! i'll answer for you... misdirection. my wife does it to me all the time. i can spot it a mile away. am i getting too close for comfort?

 

i wonder if reactor felt disrespected by that comment.

 

isnt it something that razimus said the same thing i said about you? he came to the conclusion that you were hiding something too. i wonder how we came to that conclusion...

 

i have never disrespected you. i have great respect for you. you are a good man. the stetson man. but just because your a good man, that doesent mean that i wont ask you hard questions.

 

how many times have i taken my time and my energy to try to resolve conflicts? why would i disrespect anyone, when i never do. if i thought recall took what i said to him seriously, i would never call him a 'bot. but thats just playful banter. cigsmokingman and i used to go 'round and 'round, but i never thought he was serious. it was just a playful game.

 

with that said, why did you attempt to change the subject?

 

 

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I have 3 questions for Richard.

 

1. Why did Larry's po box have 'John R Haber' attached to it officially at one point? This is not a typo, it's an official record, you say a John Haber does not exist, well, it's either a real name or a psudonym, but it exists in black and white anyway.

 

2. Why did voyager (the italian tv show) assume you were this 'John R Haber'?

 

They are on record stating that your name is 'John Rick Haber'.

 

3. Why did voyager assume you flew in just for the titor interview and not larry's 50th b-day?

 

They are on record stating that you flew into florida just for the tv interview.

 

Thanks.

 

 

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i just dont see larry doing it. he is a smart guy, but not that smart. i can see richard doing it. as a matter of fact, i bet reactor and richard would make a helluva team.

 

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Yikes.

 

Uhhh...how do I put this? For Crissake why did you have to drag Reactor into this with some sort of quasi insult? WTF does he have to do with this conversation and debate? Yesterday I asked Recall to butt out when he made the attempt to start a flame war on the thread by tossing an insult toward you. Now you toss a grenade at another member who has done nothing on this thread to deserve it.

 

I'm sorry, but the pot is now spoiled. I'm done with this topic and thread.

Well all I have to say I am with RMT. I am just sitting back and enjoying this debate. I won,t answer to the comments about me and I don,t want to take this thread off topic so there will be no flame or grenades from me on my part. I am not getting involved and I am butting out of this one. Please continue.

 

 

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ok, if brandon haber is not a part of the titor experiment, how do you explain this?

 

i found this over a year ago, and i thought i posted it here, but i guess insomnia gets the best of me at times. it was extremely hard to re-find this. it seems as if it has been somehow omitted from googles results.

 

this comes from rick donaldson:

 

I was REALLY hesistant to post this, but you know what??? It needs to be posted. I'm going to remove a few things, like an email address... But, here it is for the world to see.

 

I thought carefully about him wanting me to keep this confidential. I want the WORLD to know that there were John Titor Shenanigans on-going for the last few years. Now, the rest of you know. I want you all to see once and for all that Anomalies NEVER had any connection with Titor in setting him up. The ONLY connection that *I* personally had was the initial contact with him on Art Bells site, and later on Anomalies. Pamela Moore and Darby were in similar situations, but Pam more than the rest of us.

 

Haber is a lawyer in Florida that we believed for a long time to have some connection... then we received this message.

 

Also you need to know our stance on things Titor-related for the past few years. I've been personally accused of BEING Titor (No, I am not, no I wasn't and no I never did anything to advance the hoax). I believe darby was accused of it as well.

 

So... here it is for the world to see... an offer to give us information if we "play ball" with them

 

Enjoy

 

#4993 - 23 February, 2004 05:59 Your offer

 

Rick Donaldson

 

Registered: 04 May, 2001

 

Posts: 6472

 

Loc: Colorado Springs

 

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Hello! When I registered for these forums a little while ago, you probably saw my name and e-mail address... and were a little curious of connections. Due to some recent personal events concerning Larry Haber (who happens, coincidently, to be my father) I'm willing to exchange some information via e-mail on the condition that you keep all of it confidential. I've lurked around these boards for the past few weeks and I trust your honor and integrity, so please don't dissapoint me. E-mail me at ###@XXXX. No promises (he doesn't tell me much...) but anything that I can do, I'll try and help. I'm guessing you probably know more about this than I do, but any holes I can fill in... like the fact that 741 Front Street (the address listed for the JTF, LLC) is my dad's old office space and is no longer used by him... I'd be happy to help with. But, please, keep this COMPLETELY confidential. If I want the rest of the community to know about it... which might happen if other certain things take place... then I will.

 

Yes, this sounds mysterious. No, that's not my intention. =) I hope to see your e-mail soon.

 

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There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and those that do not.

 

The first signal that you are crazy is hair on your fingernails.

 

The second is looking for hair on your fingernails.

 

Brandon;

 

We never turn down information from any source related to a story. Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I'm personally a little suspicious of your offer coming so quickly on the heels of us showing the connection of titor, the books, the audio, the foundation and this LLC - the "Foundation" and BUZZ.

 

I personally am completely opposed to this. It is completely against MY principles, you mentioned "honor" and "integrity". However, since YOU made the offer, we're going to trust YOUR integrity and honor.

 

Firstly, I've been asked by the other people involved to tell you that we will accept anything you offer, as long as it is true. A vote was taken and I was out-voted.

 

Secondly, we will not accept information gotten by illegal means.

 

Thirdly, we can not accept this "complete confidentiality" statement regarding the data. EXCEPT, we will NOT identify you, your email address, or your location to anyone on the site, in public or privately. There are four of us that will share the data and will evaluate it based on our standards, not yours. We as investigators made a decision to share it or not depending on the facts and the source of the data.

 

Fourthly, since you've been watching the site you know that "Buzz" posted a private message" I sent him with an invitation. He was attempting to show I am somehow not "honorable" or something. In response, I posted all the email we had from him. I will not hesitate to post everything including your initial message to me on the web if you pull anything like yourself. I would ask if you're going to ask US to remain "confidential" you would do the same with our emails and information we may give YOU.

 

I assume you have some information directly related to the Titor story. If it is directly related to that, you're welcome to provide whatever you feel is necessary.

 

I would ask that if YOU chose to "share things publically" (your data) that you will please notify me first and give me at least 48 hours to respond on normal weekdays. Sometimes I don't get online on weekends, so if you decide on Friday, I ask you to wait through monday NIGHT.

 

Please do not do anything that will cause your father problems, nor our site. You can make that common sense decision yourself.

 

Other than this, you are now considered a confidential source just like anyone else close to the story.

 

For the record, we DO have contact numbers, email address and other information in connection with your father and will not hesitate to share all of this with him if you're just playing games with us.

 

This information must be true, and correct and it can not violate any laws.

and then...

 

#4992 - 23 February, 2004 11:43 Re: Your offer

 

Malderi Malderi

 

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Registered: 11 February, 2004

 

Posts: 4

 

Loc: Celebration, FL

 

Wow, you guys sure are aggressive. Let me answer a few things, first.

 

I do not have any direct "information" relating to the Titor story, my father, or anything like that. He doesn't tell me much. HOWEVER, being his son, I can probably fill in other things that you might not have uncovered. For example, he got the John Titor book and showed it to me. It said in the opening cover, "Thanks for watching over us, Larry" and it was signed "John Titor's Mom". I think you guys got similar message. Nice, even, cursive writing - but the letters were irregular enough that it was not printed.

 

At any rate, no, I'm not doing anything illegal, immoral, etc... but if you have any QUESTIONS, you think that a son of a lawyer might know... then feel free to ask them. I don't know what you want to know, nor what you already know, and all that other stuff.

 

Since you (or it might've been someone else) posted that we were the first family in Celebration (which is correct), I assume you got that from a news article and it has our home address. Is that correct? Just a curiosity question.

 

Oh, and an FYI, Buzz is probably just a troublemaker. My father said that he probably isn't the one that did the radio show, because he wasn't connected to that project in any way. Of course, the reason he doesn't tell me much is because of client-lawyer confidientiality (which I understand) but I've managed to pry a few things out.

 

Hope to hear from you soon.

looks like proof to me. he chimes in around the same time buzz was trying to create a buzz.

 

http://www.transasianaxis.com/vb/showthread.php?p=10998&highlight=malderi#post10998

 

 

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Oh, and an FYI, Buzz is probably just a troublemaker. My father said that he probably isn't the one that did the radio show, because he wasn't connected to that project in any way.

Brandon was actually wrong in this assumption. Buzzmaker was the right guy, that is, the guy who produced the radio program promo. The August 2003 Internet blitz promoting The Book was made by JTFan using the email address [email protected] It's the same email address that Buzzmaker used on Anomalies. He sent us seven copies of the promo on CD. The label reads: "The Tale of John Titor, Part I: The Grandfather Paradox, Copyright 2004 John Titor Foundation, LLC, [email protected]".

 

I still have my copy and I'm sure that Pamela, Rick Donaldson and Phil Fiord have theirs.

 

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play the game darbster, play the game...

 

yeah, im going to let it slide. all of you have to feed your families too.

 

but quit acting like you dont know how to crop a photo. that really peeves me. remember, you have posted, and cropped photos before, unless that photo of you was a copy and paste job.

 

im done with titor. forever.

 

 

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It's not a photo. I made a scan of the disc 2-3 minutes before I uploaded it to Photobucket and posted it. No problem for me if you happen to see a grand conspiracy in it all. It is what it is.

 

Frankly, I don't care what the Internet Fruitbats think. It is and always has been entertainent. It isn't national security and it surely isn't something that should rule anyone's life, give them pause for concern or cause them to pry into people's private lives. It's a game. That's all there is to this, my friend. If the JTF, whomever they might be other than Larry Haber (and it surely isn't me), makes a buck or two more power to them. But as a comment to society in general or some philosophical commentary of importance, give me a break. It's not worth losing sleep over. For the most part its nothing more than typical Internet prattle.

 

Is it Richard S. (not John or Jonathan Richard) Haber? Hell, I don't know. At this point I don't really care, other than the fact that its a game of hide-and-seek that some people want to solve. For me it is and always has been nothing more than the aforementioned game of hide-and-seek. My life hasn't been affected or changed by John Titor nor should anyone else's. I do know, after almost ten years, that prying into people's lives - for most investigators its prying at random seeing if the spaghetti sticks to the wall - itsn't morally, ethically or legally the way to go. If someone has good evidence let them post it. If it's just another "Splat!" on the wall...forget about it. They haven't done any homework, don't know what they're talking about and have no clue about how to go about researching the facts. So far I haven't seen anything in the past six months that comes close to being "good evidence". I see this every time that someone comes up with the Grand Solution. Of course I have cards that I haven't played. I know facts that you don't know. It isn't a situation where they don't have the tools to find the same facts; it's a situation where you don't know how to read the tea leaves, follow-up and discover the facts for yourself. I do get tired of hearing in emails and/or IM/PM that I'm withholding information. Not my responsibility (unless there's some contract with The World In General that I'm not aware of) to divulge everything that I come across just because there's some poor damned twit out there that doesn't have the common sense to read the same tea leaves as I read. I'm not responsible for the laziness of others who want me to fill in the gaps that are out there. Stop whining, people.

 

Take the post in whatever light you see fit. As I said, I don't care one way or the other. It's not my life and it is surely not my wife.

 

Now, I can anticipate the response that I protest too loudly, thus attempting to give credence to the Conspiracy Theory. So be it. I can absolutely live with that because it's not important to anything to me other than the hour or two that I spent here each day. But if that's how you wan to go , give it your best shot, my friend.

 

Darby

 

 

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heh...

 

It's not a photo.

rofl! wtf is it then!?!?!

 

I made a scan of the disc 2-3 minutes before I uploaded it to Photobucket and posted it.

yeah, thats called a photo...

 

see, the scanner takes a pict... nevermind...

 

It isn't national security and it surely isn't something that should rule anyone's life, give them pause for concern or cause them to pry into people's private lives. It's a game.

i know lying and deception is a game to you, thats why i am very upset with you right now. cashing in on others weaknesses is cool! isnt it?

 

Is it Richard S. (not John or Jonathan Richard) Haber? Hell, I don't know.

this is a blatant lie, or you are not who you say you are.

 

For me it is and always has been nothing more than the aforementioned game of hide-and-seek.

another lie. you have tried to act like it was a game of marco-polo, big difference. you never, ever had to count to ten and go looking. you always knew. quit lying.

 

I do know, after almost ten years, that prying into people's lives - for most investigators its prying at random seeing if the spaghetti sticks to the wall - itsn't morally, ethically or legally the way to go.

oh yeah? well, me and you look at it totally differently. they asked for it when they pulled the hoax. they wanted fame, and folks gave it to them.

 

its funny though, i havent released anything at all. even if i would have released the info i had about pamela and others, the name "moore" wouldve been at the end.

 

you are so worked up over the ethics of it, and i find it funny as hell. you can sit through a class to learn to kill, and you want to talk to me about ethics? you can tell me, "thats all i know about titor, i swear!" and know its a lie? kiss my grits. you are a con.

 

and you know what? as much as youve tried to hide information about yourself, its out in the wide open too. for a person thats retired military intelligence, you sure are sloppy. wait! let me check my pm's again...

 

fbi... wait, you recanted that in a later pm, it was the cia... wait, you recanted again... oh yeah, it was, and i quote, "another" branch of intelligence. wait, then again, you told me you were an occult analyst... /sigh

 

whats funny is that you usually dont even remember the stories you tell. well, when they are on paper, you cant deny them.

 

i'd love to give you the benefit of the doubt, but the evidence is overwhelming now. i loved your scripted character, but i know the stetson man is just words on a piece of paper.

 

like i said, no more titor crap for me. im not helping you guys make a buck, ever. also, you just made yourself look guilty as hell, so i would just shut up if i were you.

 

 

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ruthless,

 

OK. You got me. I confess. I'm John Titor. Now, do you feel any better about all of this? Do you also want me to confess to killing JFK and Lincoln? You do? OK. Guilty as charged. Did I keep the impending attack on Pearl Harbor a secret and let it happen? Guilty. UFO's, Chem Trails, Chubacabra? Guilty, guilty, guilty.

 

Can we move on? Now, how aboiut a nice game of physics?

 

 

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If what you are saying here is true. You would be a dream post at GLP. LOL j/k

 

ruthless,

 

OK. You got me. I confess. I'm John Titor. Now, do you feel any better about all of this? Do you also want me to confess to killing JFK and Lincoln? You do? OK. Guilty as charged. Did I keep the impending attack on Pearl Harbor a secret and let it happen? Guilty. UFO's, Chem Trails, Chubacabra? Guilty, guilty, guilty.

 

Can we move on? Now, how aboiut a nice game of physics?

 

 

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