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Would it? If it were common place, would it be any different than telling someone not to go down that road because the bridge washed out last night? Wouldn't that mean we should give up all advice based on knowledge because we didn't want to interfere with someone's choices?

There is quite a difference between telling somebody a bridge was washed out during the night compared to telling someone they are going to die tomorrow.

 

Where do you think the interference of choice actually occurs ?

 

 

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The prospect of being able to control life and death may seem appealing to some at first, but in the end it creates the likes of the world's most hated tyrants. If I try to save everyone who requests help, then I have become a slave and will eventually hate my own existence. If I save only some and not others, I have become something detestable. If I save nobody, I have become like the common man. None of these is honorable, but the guilt of failing to save another would be too great a burden. But nobody knows it until it happens just once. Why do you think time travelers drink?

 

 

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Sanguina de Titor

 

Stoli screwdriver using blood orange juice. Serve on the rocks with green glass swizzle. No garnish.

 

The blood orange juice represents both the blood of the 3 billion dead and Titor's email address [email protected]

 

The Stoli celebrates Titor's friends and allies, the Russians, who killed the 3 billion.

 

On-the-rocks represents nuking the world back into the stone age.

 

The green glass swizzle stick represents the #1 commodity that Titor's Brave New USA would trade with their Russian trading partners - green nuclear glass.

 

No garnish because the world is a rather barren place after Titor's War.

 

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=50147&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

 

 

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Painthorse,

 

Would it? If it were common place, would it be any different than telling someone not to go down that road because the bridge washed out last night? Wouldn't that mean we should give up all advice based on knowledge because we didn't want to interfere with someone's choices?

I believe there has been some confusion in what I said due to some editing of exactly what I said. Here is the complete statement I made relative to my beliefs and experiences about individual time tracks:

 

RMT: "but for me to even attempt to tell you what is in your future (if I could do that and I cannot) would be a major violation of spiritual ethics."

 

And as KerrTexas pointed out, the ability I am speaking about is very, VERY different from just having common knowledge that someone else does not have and informing them about it so as to potentially save their lives. Note in my statement that I point out that this is something I cannot do. And even many of those who master the capability I am talking about cannot accurately see other people's time tracks. This capability is about the integrated self, and how the self perceives its time track.

 

So the part that I am saying is a violation of spiritual ethics is the action of pretending that one can see the future in a global sense, and accurately tell another person what shall come to pass on their personal time track. It should be obvious why this is an ethical problem, because it amounts to deceit and lying, most often with the intent to engender fear in the target.

 

Hope that clears up what I was saying for you.

 

RMT

 

 

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The prospect of being able to control life and death may seem appealing to some at first, but in the end it creates the likes of the world's most hated tyrants. If I try to save everyone who requests help, then I have become a slave and will eventually hate my own existence. If I save only some and not others, I have become something detestable. If I save nobody, I have become like the common man. None of these is honorable, but the guilt of failing to save another would be too great a burden. But nobody knows it until it happens just once. Why do you think time travelers drink?

If a time traveler goes back into the past and prevents someone like Hitler from coming to power, who is to say that somebody else wouldn't take his place and be far worse than Adolf ?

 

I believe the movie "The Butterfly Effect " is a good example of what could potentially occur when you start to mess around with history.

 

On an individual level...

 

Nobody can save anyone that really doesn't "want" to be saved. I believe that once again definition of terms becomes important. To save someone from killing themselves, are they really "saved" in the sense of living to their full potential ? Existing in a mental ward under the influence of tranquilizers may not be "living" at all.

 

However, if anyone is determined to make positive changes in their lives, and are seeking help, then it is a duty of anyone that can help, to do so. I don't believe anyone becomes a slave and then hates their own existence because they respond to helping others in need. If this was so, then there are numerous occupations with a lot of people who hate themselves.

 

In line with what Rainman mentioned in his posts, many people had specific intentions when first becoming involved in Hermetic patterns of learning, but after reaching certain levels of understanding, the original intentions become less important when compared to "new" information.

 

The individual that discovers that time travel is possible in a certain manner, may no longer be interested in time travel, itself. As an example, if time travel led to the discovery of different dimensions that were accessable, traveling in time might lose some of its attraction.

 

Interesting that you believe that a "common man" would not save "anyone" who needs help. This statement says something all on its own.

 

 

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How is one's perspective changed?

This is dependent on both individual response and how far in time and space one travels. If you travel far enough, the only guarantee is that you will be alone. Even if there are people, they will be so far changed from what you knew, you will have nothing in common. People, cultures, customs, technology, religion, and everything changes. Everything dies, and everything is forgotten in time. The only thing remaining constant is nature. For this reason it is good to find a secluded location in any era to simply sit and think. A forest can be a second home. There is also a tendency to become cynical and antisocial because of the ever changing aspects of humanity. This typically does not begin until later in travels. It is possible that all these negativities are overcome at some stage.

 

 

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The only thing remaining constant is nature

Is that a fact ?

 

Come on now, you know that even nature is NOT a constant. Nature changes just as rapidly, if not more so, than humanity.

 

And what foundation(s) are you building your other comments on...unless you would like to claim that you are a time traveler yourself ?

 

 

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1 Peter 1:17-25

 

17Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear. 18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

 

22Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart. 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24For,

 

"All men are like grass,

 

and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;

 

the grass withers and the flowers fall,

 

25but the word of the Lord stands forever." And this is the word that was preached to you.

 

 

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Admin Note:

 

I have taken the liberty of splitting the original thread into two. KerrTexas and I discussed this and agreed it has gotten off the original topic in a fairly significant way. But at the same time we see interest in where it has gone (i.e. talking about a means of time travel that is different from the classical/romantic notion). Hence, the reason for the split.

 

Carry On... :)

 

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Come on now, you know that even nature is NOT a constant. Nature changes just as rapidly, if not more so, than humanity.

The small details change, and a few large ones. But in most places in time you can find forests, seas, mountains, and deserts, to name a few things. Of course species come and go, and plates shift.

 

And what foundation(s) are you building your other comments on...unless you would like to claim that you are a time traveler yourself ?

I am a time traveler. And I invented elephants. And sand. :oops:

 

 

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I have taken the liberty of splitting the original thread into two. KerrTexas and I discussed this and agreed it has gotten off the original topic in a fairly significant way. But at the same time we see interest in where it has gone (i.e. talking about a means of time travel that is different from the classical/romantic notion). Hence, the reason for the split.

Now you've gone and done it. A new timeline in the same forum! The universe is going to implod9014-5-135687ujgkrsaujh *END TRANSMISSION*

 

 

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So the part that I am saying is a violation of spiritual ethics is the action of pretending that one can see the future in a global sense, and accurately tell another person what shall come to pass on their personal time track.

Thank you for the clarification. I couldn't agree with you more. Anyone who claims to be something they aren't is a very sad person indeed. I just feel that if we discuss time travel just like any other technology or ability, I don't see it as any different than a CPR class or medical training, and learning to bring a person back from death by electric shock, or surgery, injection, etc. If I have an ability, I am obligated as a human being to use that ability to help others, at least when it stairs me in the face and causes me no harm. Now I can stay home and I'll never have to use CPR on anyone, but if I venture out and the situation presents itself, I will do my best to help someone. A warning is a warning whether it is about a bridge out, or I saw you die in a year. (That would certainly not be the tactful way to do it any more than telling someone their brain tumor will kill them in 6 months...whole nother topic here...how to tell someone the future so they oould change it)

 

There seems to be lots of interest in time travel for ones own pleasure, as many things in the world are. I think if there ever are people with time travel abilities, they won't be broadcasting it on boards like this because people like me are here looking for help and unless they are totally heartless, they would feel some obligation to use their abilities to help. After all, every one has a parent or a child and they can imagine going through the death of someone they loved so much. Can you imagine how your mother would have grieved if you had died at 21 and she never saw you accomplish what you have the past 20 or so years? You can't really because you yourself haven't been throught it, (picture her at your funeral, or looking at your room after you were gone, or going through pictures, which is all she has left of you) but just the thought should choke you up a little bit. :(

 

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Check this out, Kerr:

 

This is from a larger "teaching" (via a "channeling") that speaks of that form of "time travel" we have discussed before, and in this thread, in other various ways. It is another way to answer the question that aerohead asked me:

 

http://www.kryon.com/k_channel09_sedona.html

 

"Sleep - An Interdimensional Attribute

 

 

 

Here's another quantum aspect. I bring you these so that you will understand how confusing quantumness can be, yet, it's in your brain so I know you can eventually understand it. When you retreat into that thing you call sleep, perhaps even what you call the alpha state, that middle portion of consciousness that is without construct, what happens? Have you ever had a dream where nothing made sense? Out of time, out of place, the Human Beings in your dream couldn't even know each other due to linear time. You may have been in different places and different times that make no sense in real life, yet it all made sense at the moment, didn't it? So I'll tell you why: Because when you go to that state, it is quantum! It is a quantum thing, alpha dreaming. The brain is in a state that is without the intellect's control. So it becomes quantum and without structure. Therefore, it is outside of linearity. That is to say, there is no time construct placed upon it. Everything happens at the same time and it's just fine with you while you're there. When you're in the dream, you're not tearing out your hair in confusion, are you? You're just enjoying it. Quantumness is a natural state."

 

The conscious mind orders time by events. It has to in order to approach a linear understanding of what is around it. But the universe is not primarily linear. In fact, linearity is not the rule of this universe. But we, as sentient humans, sure do like to pick out those areas where phenomenon are linear...because they are easier for the intellect to understand. More from the above link:

 

"Look at the box you're in called time. How linear it is that you can only go in one direction! You can't turn left, you can't turn right, only straight into the future. The clock only goes in one direction... forward. There's no such thing as a clock that goes up and down, or left and right, is there? It just goes forward. Oh, how linear! And that's the way you think. You take that linear bias and apply it to everything. All thought, all reasoning, all logic, all spirituality is done with your bias. You say "we are linear, therefore God must be." However, God is not. And neither, really, are you! Some of you will be stepping out of this soon and be understanding more about what is going on in your life, dear ones. For now, however, much of this is double-talk."

 

This "stepping out" can be thought of as the form of time travel that I have tried to describe above for aerohead and Khronos. More...

 

"The Frustration With Time - Your Most Powerful Bias

 

 

 

(snip)

 

 

 

Dear Human Being, how many of you have had messages that are life changing? Perhaps you go into a meditative state, perhaps it's in that dream state that I just suggested? But there it is, an idea, perhaps even an instruction? Maybe you had a visualization? It might appear like this: Here's what you're to do. Here's the book you're going to write. Here is what your future is going to be like. Here is the healing modality you are going to teach. Here are the instructions that you are going to meet someone. You're going to do something.

 

 

 

You are excited about it, are you not? Perhaps you come back from the visualization and you tell your friend, "It's so real! This is what I've got to do. This is what I'm going to begin. Isn't it exciting?" Then what do you do? You proceed to implement it. Oh, how linear of you! Is that the message you got? In a quantum state, did God tell you come on back and do it now? The answer is no. Yet you think that because your clock goes in one direction, you come back onto the linear treadmill of time and you begin to implement what you're told. That's a big mistake, but you don't know it."

 

Transcending our linear thoughts about Massive SpaceTime is not an easy thing to do, especially all on your own. To do it on your own, you need to be seriously, seriously disciplined. Way more disciplined than a person like me, and I consider myself to be pretty disciplined in several ways. But it was through the teaching and tutoring of others in the esoteric arts that I began to learn transcendence. And that is what got me the little "glimpses" of other parts of my time track (parts that were isolated from my conscious mind of this incarnation).

 

"Here is what the quantum thinker does: He gets the message, comes back from the visualization, and celebrates the message. It's a ticket that he's holding in his hand that says there's a train coming. If he looks closely at the ticket, there's no time on it. It doesn't say when, does it? But he still has the ticket. That's enough for a quantum mind!

 

 

 

He will celebrate the ticket and then sit back and create the attitude of waiting for synchronicity. That is to say, he will hook into the quantumness of who he is and then look at the synchronicity that occurs so that he can recognize when the train comes. "

 

And now place this message immediately above into the context of the gloom and doomers (e.g. HDRKID or Peter/Zeshua) who come here trying to convince people they have seen (or are from) YOUR future. If you understand what transcends Massive SpaceTime and our need to think linearly, you will also understand that the snake oil being sold by people like this is some of the most personally dangerous snake oil that you would even consider believing. You sell yourself down the river if you even begin to accept that these people have the ability to predict YOUR (quantum) future.

 

"Time travel" in the form that it will finally take on for those who learn to transcend is a VERY BIG DEAL in your own, personal, evolution. Those who insist on believing the romantic notion of time travel (a la Titor) are wasting their time, because that notion of time travel is based on a forced linear notion of time.

 

Time to wake up to your quantum nature. Time to read the Akashic Records for yourself. Time to stop relying on someone else to show up here, claiming to be a time traveler or some other such stupid ruse, and tell you what is in the future. In other words, it is Time for you to take responsibility for your own time track, and that means confronting your quantum self, that is distributed across eternity.

 

Have fun, one and all!

 

RMT

 

 

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Snap out of it, RMT! You're an engineer, you're better than this new age bs

Well, the thing is... Lee Carroll (the channeler) is also an (audio) engineer. As such he understands the LaPlace(time) = frequency better than most people. In fact, I know Lee. He lives in San Diego, but I met him way back when he still lived in Laguna Beach...just down the 405 Fwy from me.

 

Sure you can claim it is "new age bs" because of the manner in which it is presented. And I have said more than once in this thread I do not expect people to consider what I am talking about here to adhere to the principles of science completely. It has been about my personal experience, the path I have tread to acquire experiental knowledge, that has allowed me to come to my own personal conclusions. And in more than one case, the "channelings" that Lee has delivered has described exactly what I have experienced (AFTER I had experienced them) in stitching-together my personal time track beyond this current existence. They have helped validate my systemic views of how the universe works, and how Mass, Space, and Time integrate on a higher level. Have you looked into the things he claims about the magnetic nature of DNA? It certainly is interesting when you consider the electro-magnetic principles behind the simple (helical) solenoid.

 

I don't expect anyone to believe it, and in fact I fully expect others to harbor the same skeptical views as you have expressed. But then again I am not claiming to be a time traveler, nor am I making predictions for anyone's future that I want them to believe. The experiential path is available to anyone who wishes to tread it. It is only about what you choose to experience. But there is a helluva lot of information out there.

 

RMT

 

 

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