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I don't know if you've all heard this a thousand times before, from the look of the Time Travel Institute discussions, it looks like you have, but I come from 2032. If anyone wants proof, I don't exactly know what to give...I certainly can't zig-zag to various years, gathering proof (which serves only one person, whoever asks anyway :) ).

 

My friends, who are the scientists, and I attempted something similar to one of the suggestions here. The original suggestion was about going forward in time to your own dead body, and seeing somewhere on your dead body where there is no tattoo, and putting a tattoo on yourself in that same spot and seeing if it will "magically appear" on your dead future body. Needless to say, no body wanted to go forward in time and tamper with their future dead body.

 

We decided to use a cat. First we killed the cat (yes, sorry to say, but when you're bored and trying to solve time's paradoxes, you gotta break a few eggs to make an omlett, and a cat won't solve anyone's problems). We were going to take the live body and shave off some of its fur in the presense of its corpse, so that we see whether the corpse magically has hair shaven off. We decided to first put it in a room alive for a day with food and everything. We decided to come back the next day and kill it so that we could go back the previous day and make modifications. Needless to say, we left the cat in a lone room so that we don't meet our future selves and end the universe or something (we're fairly superstitious about that kind of stuff). Our reasoning was to have knowledge of when the cat was alive and when it was dead, so that we could time travel to the day before and go to the future when we know it's dead.

 

You will NOT believe what happened. It is perfectly logical, and none of us believed it either, but we all should have known. (this is probably why the other scientists consider my friends a bit dopey). We came in the next day to kill the cat and it was gone. We went back to the previous day into the lone room. The cat was there, alive. We sat, waited. We thought, did someone play a prank and steal the cat, or did the cat escape? Either way, we weren't very willing to stay there the entire day, but in the end we realized that the reason the cat was gone the day we were planning to kill it, was because...when you time travel with the cat and take it out of the room into the time machine with you..it's not gonna be there in the future..it's gonna be in your hands. So we gave up and let it go.

 

I know you will all probably say: You should have killed the cat and then time travelled to the past and gotten it, but this is impossible, because if you take the cat with you before it is killed and time travel to the future, there is no cat to kill in the mean time, so you will never find a corpse. This is the same with the case if you time travel to your own death: you simply can't! You will never find a corpse of yourself in the future, because the corpse is you time-travelling and disappearing in the mean time.

 

Anyway,

 

aside from that illuminating discovery, for which my friends will probably be recognized before my name is ever even known, since they are scientists and I'm pretty much a hired semi-test labrat (with respect to time travel), I want you all to know where I come from and who I am:

 

My name is Ralph Deissmann. I was born on July 14, 2010, in a Bulgarian city called Varna. Although my parents are German, I only speak Bulgarian and English. I came to the US when I was 10 and a half in March 2020. I'm interested in the paranormal, time travel, physics, the universe, etc; I like asking people what they think about various topics like that, though my job gets me distracted sometimes. If I could time travel anywhere, it'd be to something huge, either the invention of fire, or something like the big bang. I have a bit of dark humor, of course. I studied in the University of California Northridge, though I have no degree since this job has good pay. In a computer class I met one of my friends, who is part of the science team, Praveen, who has a degree in (what else) physics. Unfortunately, since I don't have a degree in physics I can only answer semi-technical questions about how time travel works.

 

What I can tell you is this: There are no other timelines; simply because the way I see it time doesn't exist in the way most people think (in my time they think the same thing I'm sure as here); there is only change which gives the perception of time forward. Since we remember the past, we assume it's something that we can go back to, but ultimately, what has to be realized is that the past does not exist. Einstein himself never treated time as anything but a spatial dimension. This doesn't mean nobody here exists. It simply means, with respect to the future, where I come from, none of this is real, in the same way the future isn't "real" to the present, yet the future will come, and the past came. In any case, the grandfather paradox is a paradox simply because there is a misunderstanding about free will. If you went back in time and tried to kill yourself, you would ultimately fail. This isn't because you have "no" free will; it is because you had a "different" free will. The past is fixed, but that's not because there is no free will, it is because there is only one way it can go, which has been determined by the choices of people who made it. What this means is that, you will ultimately fail to kill yourself, because you will ultimately not do it, since just like the missing cat, you would be missing. I know, someone will ask, but that means no one comes from the future to kill you. That is the whole point. If you were to actually kill yourself, you wouldn't be doing it. Thus you would not kill yourself, due to whatever circumstances. Think of it as a movie. The outcome is always the same, yet the characters clearly have free will in the meantime. The implications for this are that the future has only one outcome. This may come as a discomfort, but really it's nothing other than recognizing the fact that you are bound to make the choices you will make no matter what, and although they are set without the possibility of change, this setting is ultimately the result of your free will. So there is nothing to worry about.

 

With respect to the science behind time travel, the general picture is, well let's just say in my time a little more is known about how the universe works. A specific way is used to control the axis of the dimensions; an analogy (albeit somewhat incorrect) would be using force to shift the dimension of movement of an object. In this way, spacetime can be "uncoiled" and "redirected" so that you can change the direction of the dimension of "time". Using the lasers (I don't know what they're made of, but they're not regular lasers for certain), which is pretty much the best and safest way to transmit information, you send information back in time, which assembles into...well you, or in this case me. NEEDLESS to say, lots of cats and dogs died before this process could be perfected, since reassembling a living thing out of scratch can have, shall we say, errors? For example what if you reassemble the blood before you reassemble the blood vessels? They fall to the ground.

 

The time machine is a sphere-shaped compartment where I am strapped tightly inside, with no thing inside so that no unexpected scanning errors by the lasers occur. First, I have to shave my entire self. I have to be naked. Then they coat me into a glue-like substance to prevent anything from floating around the lasers in the room, which has to be absolutely dust free, so that I don't reappear in 1997 with half of my fingers missing because some piece of dust decided to wander around. I am put under a sedative which makes me go unconsciouss. I'm entirely numbed out before this so that I don't feel any discomfort (or death?) when I wake up in the year I'm sent to. Then they put me in a gridlocked "coffin" inside the compartment.

 

When I come to the year I'm sent, the feeling is somewhat eerie/discomforting. The numbing can't quite remove the effect of being "a whole new person" and waking up to it. What happens in essense is, you are "translated" to the year, so you are a copy of your body in every way, the original being "disintegrated" after you've been translated in the year you left. This might seem disturbing, because yes, I am a "copy". I'm not a hologram, I'm as real as any person, as real as my old self, it's just, I'm derived in a non-biological fashion. If any of you doubt this is possible, and that there is no way to rearrange molecules to exactly duplicate your "old" self, the brief explanation I got from the numerous time travellers I met, including the physical proof of dogs whose behavior was not changed, is this: Every month your cells change. You are a whole new "you" every other month, yet you are the same as you "ever were", so clearly there is no dilemma here.

 

Finally, the reason I came to this year. The thing is, I've been sent to find information regarding an incident in Pakistan. In Pakistan, some time in late January or early February of 2008, apparently someone planted a bomb in the Pakistani village of Aba Khel. These sorts of border "skirmishes" happen all the time, they have been happening for a long time, and that has always been a hot-spot where nukes might go off. FORTUNATELY, that has not happened, at least it hasn't happened yet. They don't know the cause, nor who did it and they will never know, because if they did, this information would have been sent and it would be known to me right now. So, I can't "kill" whoever did it, or stop him, because it has already happened. The fact is, at the time they thought it was the Indian government, even though a detailed analysis showed that to be nearly impossible: the bomb was pakistani, the locals heard and saw pakistanis in pakistani clothing etc. Needless to say, the Indian government was not very forthcoming in defending itself against the accusations, which started a bit of a war something like world war 1. By that I mean, a conflict that has been going on for over 20 years (since December, 2011), and one which is sort of dire since nobody is willing to give up. About 13 million Pakistanis/Indians/UN troops have died. I, as well as anyone they've sent after me, as they said they would (whether they sent them a longer time ago or in the near future, I don't know), need to gather enough proof that it wasn't the Indian government so that the conflict ends. It can't be ended before it starts. As the example of the black cat, there would be no one to stop it if we were to do so, and I wouldn't be here in the first place, because they would have been stopped a long time ago. However, what I'm able to do is try to get the proof I need.

 

FINALLY, to those who are probably never going to believe me, I'll try to give some proof. I'm sorry that I can't go to various years and gather fairly irrelevant to 99% of the world information, but I'm not in the best situation to tell the authorities to send me to where I please, as opposed to where I'm supposed to go. All I can do is offer major events, in a verifiable time-frame (less than 6 months):

 

-Gas Prices will hit $4 for the first time in January 2010 (I checked an almanac in my university's library for that one; would you believe it that in 1945, 1 gallon was 5 cents!)

 

-A plane will crash either before or in December 2009, somewhere in the Northern Hemisphere, I don't remember where, but it was a major event and it will kill about 50 people

 

-A big earthquake in Israel before the end of 2009.

 

-I think some politician, either in Russia, or the US was killed before 2009, but don't quote me on that.

 

Anyway, any responses are appreciated :)

 

 

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My name is Ralph Deissmann. I was born on July 14, 2010, in a Bulgarian city called Varna. Although my parents are German, I only speak Bulgarian and English. I came to the US when I was 10 and a half in March 2020.

How did you get admitted to any university if you can't even do basic math? You would have been "nine and a half".

 

The other "ideas" have been regurgitated countless times in these forums. Nothing new here.

 

Your "predictions" are useless. Gas has already gone above $4 in the past. Planes have already crashed this year. Earthquakes happen all the time all over the world. And there are countless politicians, from mayors to presidents, etc.

 

Unfortunately, that means your other idea is also wrong:

 

About 13 million Pakistanis/Indians/UN troops have died.

I would actually welcome this. Get them out of our grad schools.

 

EDIT: Before screaming racist, remember that they take these skills back to their home country most of the time. They benefit far more from this exchange than we do.

 

 

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"How did you get admitted to any university if you can't even do basic math? You would have been "nine and a half"."

 

You're right, I was 9 and a half, im not sure it really matters that much. For whatever reason, I always had it stuck I was 10 and a half.

 

"The other "ideas" have been regurgitated countless times in these forums. Nothing new here.

 

Your "predictions" are useless. Gas has already gone above $4 in the past. Planes have already crashed this year. Earthquakes happen all the time all over the world. And there are countless politicians, from mayors to presidents, etc."

 

I'm sorry if you've seen these kinds of proofs as claims before, you don't have to believe me. I can only give you proof that you can verify for yourself. Verify the theories and the data; if they're wrong clearly i am too.

 

 

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"Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...

 

Another OETWO speaks. And, yes, as aerohead pointed out, one who can't even do simple math relative to his own age on a certain date."

 

I'm pretty sure you yourself have messed up on the age about something when giving it to someone, especially when it was something so long ago. I guess I always saw 2020-2010=10. By the way, I meant gas prices reach $4 per gallon being steady; they may have broken somewhere to $4 previously, but an almanac doesn't record one local, relative breakthrough; it records the general price of the country.

 

 

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Hi there Ralph.

 

I know you will all probably say: You should have killed the cat and then time travelled to the past and gotten it, but this is impossible, because if you take the cat with you before it is killed and time travel to the future, there is no cat to kill in the mean time, so you will never find a corpse. This is the same with the case if you time travel to your own death: you simply can't! You will never find a corpse of yourself in the future, because the corpse is you time-travelling and disappearing in the mean time.

Wait, What? If say on the 8th you put Mr. Tibbles in a room and leave him there. Then on the 10th I kill him. Then I go back to the 9th with Dead Mr. Tibbles to the room with Not Dead Mr. Tibbles why would Not Dead Mr. Tibbles not be there?

 

 

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""Wait, What? If say on the 8th you put Mr. Tibbles in a room and leave him there. Then on the 10th I kill him. Then I go back to the 9th with Dead Mr. Tibbles to the room with Not Dead Mr. Tibbles why would Not Dead Mr. Tibbles not be there?""

 

We thought about it long and hard. That seems like a foolproof plan, but the same inherent principle of the "no" free will "different" free will stands: Whatever the dead corpse of the cat has done to it or doesn't, will be or won't be done to the living cat on the 9th.

 

Hello Khronos, by the way :)

 

 

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We thought about it long and hard. That seems like a foolproof plan, but the same inherent principle of the "no" free will "different" free will stands: Whatever the dead corpse of the cat has done to it or doesn't, will be or won't be done to the living cat on the 9th.

So... Time is being like an angry mom who takes your toys away when she doesn't like how your playing with them... Silly time. Also, I'm curious as to why you are here at the time travel institute. Did you read about it in the future or were you just bored. And just to be clear... You should never say you're not allowed to say something, becuase it wouldn't make a difference becuase time is going to work out the way it is any ways right?

 

 

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-Gas Prices will hit $4 for the first time in January 2010 (I checked an almanac in my university's library for that one; would you believe it that in 1945, 1 gallon was 5 cents!)

 

-A plane will crash either before or in December 2009, somewhere in the Northern Hemisphere, I don't remember where, but it was a major event and it will kill about 50 people

 

-A big earthquake in Israel before the end of 2009.

 

-I think some politician, either in Russia, or the US was killed before 2009, but don't quote me on that.

 

Anyway, any responses are appreciated

Could you make any predictions more trivial than these?

 

Gas hits $4.00 for the first time? It's already hit $4.00 in the past here in the USA. It hit $4.00 elsewhere decades ago.

 

A plane crashes in the northern hemisphere on or before December 2009 and kills ~50 people? There's been a few hundred such incidents "before December 2009" over the past century. Did you mean during 2009? It's already happened 4 times this year, three of them in the northern hemisphere.

 

You "think some politician, either in Russia, or the US was killed before 2009, but don't quote me on that". That's not even a prediction - and you don't stand by it in any case (which itself is rather moronic when you "think" about it). Anyway, a politician somewhere, maybe in Russia or the USA, was killed before 2009. Yuh think?, Considering that we are about to enter the last quarter of 2009 its a rather easy post-diction. Did you try Lincoln, the Tzar, JFK, RFK, etc? They were all politicians killed before 2009. There might be a couple more.

 

That only leaves "a big earthquake" in Israel. What's a "big" earthquake? At least that one is a prediction of some sort.

 

Now I'm just going to take a quess - not a prediction - just a guess. You have not attended CSUN because you have not as yet graduated from high school (Hueneme? Oxnard? Ventura? Buena?). I only say that because that's about the level of the writing skills you've displayed. There's nothing wrong with high school level writing skills, BTW. About 99% of the world's people have skills much less than that. But the skills displayed are not college level

 

 

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"""So... Time is being like an angry mom who takes your toys away when she doesn't like how your playing with them... Silly time. Also, I'm curious as to why you are here at the time travel institute. Did you read about it in the future or were you just bored. And just to be clear... You should never say you're not allowed to say something, becuase it wouldn't make a difference becuase time is going to work out the way it is any ways right?"""

 

Think of it this way. At least, that's how I visualize it: It's not that when you are about to do something that diverges from the future/your past your hand magically stops in midair, and does something else. It's more of the PRACTICAL INABILITY to carry out your intentions. For example, on September 10th, you kill the cat and see some of its fur was shaven off near its neck. You go back to September 9th, and you attempt to shave the cat in a different region: perhaps near its tail. Your intentions will not be carried out for whatever reason: Either the cat quickly jerks and you accidentally shave off the fur near its neck, and then somebody stops you, either for an emergency or whatever and you are unable to do anything further, or whatever.

 

To explain this to yourself, think of this fact: The future is permanently fixed. Let's say you're at a road that has ended. Your two choices are to go left or right. How do you cheat the future by going the way that the future won't match? If you go left, the future has you going left, if you go right, it has you going right. And whatever your path was, the future, with respect to itself, never changed before you made that choice. Realizing this, will allow you to understand that traveling to the past, which becomes your RELATIVE future is pretty much the same idea, except the future is not the future with respect to you, while still being the future at the same time: Your actions will simply lead to the outcome they were always going to lead to. But this is BECAUSE of your actions, not in spite of them. That's the difference. The concept is simple: take history, all the actions of people are recorded and are permanently fixed, yet doubtless those people had choices, yet if you are reading about a ship sailing in the 19th century, knowing what turns the captain will make, while the ship is sailing, the captain exhibits free will, yet this free will is "predetermined" and is still free will at the same time.

 

 

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"""Could you make any predictions more trivial than these?

 

Gas hits $4.00 for the first time? It's already hit $4.00 in the past here in the USA. It hit $4.00 elsewhere decades ago."""

 

The almanac doesn't record "first breakthroughs". It records the total average. The average will be about 4 dollars in January 2010.

 

"""A plane crashes in the northern hemisphere on or before December 2009 and kills ~50 people? There's been a few hundred such incidents "before December 2009" over the past century. Did you mean during 2009? It's already happened 4 times this year, three of them in the northern hemisphere."""

 

By this I meant from today until December 2009. It will happen either in September/Fall of 2009 or December 2009.

 

"""You "think some politician, either in Russia, or the US was killed before 2009, but don't quote me on that". That's not even a prediction - and you don't stand by it in any case (which itself is rather moronic when you "think" about it). Anyway, a politician somewhere, maybe in Russia or the USA, was killed before 2009. Yuh think?, Considering that we are about to enter the last quarter of 2009 its a rather easy post-diction. Did you try Lincoln, the Tzar, JFK, RFK, etc? They were all politicians killed before 2009. There might be a couple more."""

 

By this I meant from today until the end of the year 2009. What kind of proof is it to claim someone is assassinated prior to the year 2009 while being in the year 2009?

 

"""That only leaves "a big earthquake" in Israel. What's a "big" earthquake? At least that one is a prediction of some sort."""

 

It kills several thousand, but leaves hundreds of thousand homeless: I remember it was late 2009.

 

"""Now I'm just going to take a quess - not a prediction - just a guess. You have not attended CSUN because you have not as yet graduated from high school (Hueneme? Oxnard? Ventura? Buena?). I only say that because that's about the level of the writing skills you've displayed. There's nothing wrong with high school level writing skills, BTW. About 99% of the world's people have skills much less than that. But the skills displayed are not college level"""

 

CSUN becomes a UC in 2010 or 2011. If you don't think I attended Northridge, you're free to speculate so, but I'm positive it's not based on writing style; linguistic and stylistic study is very subjective, and you don't seem the most unbiased individual. The high school I graduated from was Van Nuys High.

 

 

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"""I guess so... But i probably would have had asked my team to send me a history book after me. Also, why are you in LA instead of in Pakistan finding the proof to end your war?"""

 

I know this sounds like an off-color science fiction joke. I can only travel by myself, I dont even have any clothes on when I come. I'm not sure what a history book could do; important events in the next 6 months are relatively unimportant 40 years later, unless something like a war breaks out. Of those, you only have the usual Israeli conflicts aside from the one I mentioned. All a history book could do is give major events for the next 40 years which you can't verify for...40 years. There are no specific dates I know of for relatively important events for 2009, aside from the few incidents I mentioned.

 

Politically, my time is a mess/mess in progress. The President's name is Brendon Dorgan. The world is pretty much split in the American sphere of influence and the Russo-Chinese. The relations aren't bad, no nukes or anything like that, but it's like two "friends" who are always getting on each other's nerves from time to time. Both the US and Russia and China support India nevertheless, though initially the US was planning to support Pakistan due to Cold War positive relations with the USSR by India, and to have a presense in the Middle East, it became apparent that it would be a mistake in case someone decide to launch nukes.

 

I'm in LA because that's where they send you; it's the best point from which to reach Pakistan, and the most practical: resources, etc. You wake up in a nice waterbed every time, since the calculations might send you off a little higher off the earth, so to soften the impact.

 

Forgot to answer your other question: I'm still making preparations to leave, before the end of October I should have left, and perhaps leave a goodbye message on the way back :(

 

 

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You really should listen to me, Ralph. I'm the time traveler here. :) A nuke will be launched tomorrow, and half of china will be underwater by 2011 or so. :oops: Of course, now that I said this, it *might* be prevented, thus making me look like a fake. Oh well, it happens. :D But I DID invent sheep... I mean elephants. And sand, and pizza. :)

 

 

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"""You really should listen to me, Ralph. I'm the time traveler here. A nuke will be launched tomorrow, and half of china will be underwater by 2011 or so. Of course, now that I said this, it *might* be prevented, thus making me look like a fake. Oh well, it happens. But I DID invent sheep... I mean elephants. And sand, and pizza."""

 

By the looks of this, you also invented bad sarcasm which doesn't expose the fault of the one it's aimed at :yum:

 

 

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"""So you admit your fault?"""

 

I'm talking in relative terms. From your point of view I do.

Hi Ralph. This is just a friendly welcoming committee. Wait until Rainman Time shows up (lol).

 

It's easier if you scroll down to the bottom of the page when replying, and highlight the passage you want to quote, then hit "copy" on the edit menu. Click on "quote" in the box next to the smilies, and then paste in in what you've copied. Makes it easier to read. :D

 

 

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Hi Ralph. This is just a friendly welcoming committee. Wait until Rainman Time shows up (lol).

 

It's easier if you scroll down to the bottom of the page when replying, and highlight the passage you want to quote, then hit "copy" on the edit menu. Click on "quote" in the box next to the smilies, and then paste in in what you've copied. Makes it easier to read.

Hello, sorry I didn't know how to do this. Thank you a lot, by the way, what do you (and anyone reading this) think about the current political situation? What do you think about the universe, and so on?

 

 

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We were going to take the live body and shave off some of its fur in the presense of its corpse, so that we see whether the corpse magically has hair shaven off

 

was because...when you time travel with the cat and take it out of the room into the time machine with you..it's not gonna be there in the future..it's gonna

 

be in your hands. So we gave up and let it go.

 

The time machine is a sphere-shaped compartment where I am strapped tightly inside, with no thing inside so that no unexpected scanning errors by the lasers occur. First, I have to shave my entire self. I have to be naked. Then they coat me into a glue-like substance to prevent anything from floating around the lasers in the room, which has to be absolutely dust free, so that I don't reappear in 1997 with half of my fingers missing because some piece of dust decided to wander around.

First of all I don't like the way you talk about cats. I have two wonderful cats myself and you talk as if cats are disposables. You didnt even think to try mice? Cat hater.

 

I have a good mind to have someone travel forward in time and kidnap that black cat and keep it for myself! :mad:

 

second of all. these are your words above.

 

First you say you have to have nothing in there but you then you say you can take the cat with you.

 

Then you say you have to be totally shaved but the cat only has to have a small part shaved?

 

None of that makes sense to me.

 

****************ATTENTION TIME TRAVEL CLAIMANTS:*****************

 

If you interest me I may ask you questions.

 

This does not mean I necessarily believe what you are saying but only

 

that I am interested and curious about what you have to say.

 

I like to gather all the information first and save judgement till the end.

 

I am here to have fun, interesting and thought provoking conversation.

 

If you have a sense of humor, are highly intelligent and creative I may end up liking you!

 

However, This does not mean I will have interdimensional babies with you. LOL :)

 

 

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First of all I don't like the way you talk about cats. I have two wonderful cats myself and you talk as if cats are disposables. You didnt even think to try mice? Cat hater.

 

I have a good mind to have someone travel forward in time and kidnap that black cat and keep it for myself!

haha, well perhaps i am a cat hater :yum: I can very well say you are a mouse hater :)

 

second of all. these are your words above.

 

First you say you have to have nothing in there but you then you say you can take the cat with you.

 

Then you say you have to be totally shaved but the cat only has to have a small part shaved?

 

None of that makes sense to me.

Two others and I went in individually. We sent the cat unshaved because quite frankly it's not a big deal if it doesn't make it or not, and we only shaved one spot so that we can test the hypothesis, otherwise if the whole cat is shaven, you can't verify anything. We still lubricated it of course.

 

 

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