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yet another scientific impossibility.

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Researcher Uses 100,000 Degree Heat To Study Plasma, What Happens To Matter Around Black Holes

 

ScienceDaily (Sep. 5, 2009) — Using one of the greatest artificial sources of radiation energy, University of Nevada, Reno researcher and faculty member Roberto Mancini is studying ultra-high temperature and non-equilibrium plasmas to mimic what happens to matter in accretion disks around black holes... Physics department professor and chair Mancini has received a $690,000 grant from the U.S. Department of Energy to continue his research in high energy density plasma; plasmas are considered to be the fourth state of matter. He will serve as principal investigator for a project titled "Experiments and Modeling of Photo-ionized Plasmas at Z."

 

"Receiving awards such as this exemplifies the academic caliber and national importance of the work in our Physics Department," Jeff Thompson, dean of the College of Science said. "We're proud of the team of researchers here working on cutting-edge science."

 

Mancini has been studying the atomic and radiation properties of high-energy density plasmas for more than 15 years, and this new grant will allow him to further explore what happens to matter when it is subjected to extreme conditions of temperature and radiation –

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is not possible to even accurately measure the position of every particle within a test tube......let alone across the whole world. To anyone with even the remotest degree of scientific knowledge....

Not exactly, but what about "shaking the Space time" in a lab...

 

Scientists propose lab-grade black holes

 

New method may uncover fundamental physics properties

 

By Laura Sanders

 

Web edition : Thursday, August 13th, 2009

 

One day, scientists may create the ultimate tempest in a teapot — an artificial black hole in a millimeter-long gadget. Such laboratory-grade black holes may illuminate enigmatic physical properties of their wild galactic counterparts, all from the safety of a lab bench, a study to appear in Physical Review Letters suggests.

 

'For black holes, we just don't understand the physics at all,' says physicist William Unruh of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, who was not involved in the new study. The prospect of conducting actual experiments on systems resembling black holes is exciting, he says. 'Belief is not the same as doing an experiment.'

 

Mysterious black holes were originally thought to gobble up everything around them, including light (hence the name). But in the 1970s, British physicist Stephen Hawking predicted that because of quantum effects, these voracious monsters should emit photons. Right on the brink of the black hole, these photons 'are so energetic that they go beyond what we understand,' says study coauthor Miles Blencowe of Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H. Such emitted photons, known as Hawking radiation, have not yet been caught in the wild, nor have they been simulated in an experiment, leaving knowledge of their basic properties — and existence — in limbo.

 

In the new study, the researchers propose using a series of tiny, cold superconducting devices called SQUIDs in a linear, train-track–shaped arrangement to create a black hole analog. 'But unlike a black hole out in space, we know the physics of this system,' says study coauthor Paul Nation, also of Dartmouth College.

 

Particles inside a black hole's boundary, called the horizon, get sucked into the depths of the black hole, while particles outside the horizon can escape. Blencowe likens the horizon to a steep waterfall, where a fish above the drop can swim at normal speeds, but once a fish hits the fast-flowing water in the waterfall, it is swept down into the water below.

 

Similarly, the proposed system also creates a horizon, in the form of an electromagnetic wave that moves across the device in response to a magnetic pulse. Photons behind this horizon are trapped, while photons ahead of it move normally. By detecting and studying the photons that emerge from the device, researchers hope to have a better idea of what happens to particles near the edge of a black hole, both those that escape and those that are pulled in.

 

Changing the strength of the horizon-creating magnetic pulse may create conditions that fluctuate, making a system that simulates 'shaking spacetime,' Nation says. Watching how photons behave in such a quantum system may answer some basic questions about the quantum nature of gravity, he says.

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just remember, people like you are an essential part of selling titor too.

and some info regarding: The "Naked-Truth"

 

'Naked' black hole's existence may breakdown laws of physics in Universe

 

* Posted by newspostraj in Science

 

Computer simulations indicate that a 'naked' black hole may yet emerge in our universe, after spinning away its event horizon, which would lead to the breakdown of the laws of physics.

 

In 1969, physicist Roger Penrose postulated that every singularity, or black hole, must be shrouded by an event horizon from which nothing, including light, can escape.

 

The event horizon is the gravity field of a black hole where the space-time is so bent that light cannot escape it.

 

But, according to a report in New Scientist, simulations developed by Ted Jacobson and Thomas Sotiriou at the University of Maryland at College Park indicates that a black hole may emerge in the Universe that has escaped its event horizon.

 

If this holds true, it would be bad news for cosmologists because if the laws of physics cannot describe even one location in the universe, the future of the universe – as predicted by those laws – is cast into doubt.

 

Our description of photons, for instance, may be undermined because those photons may have interacted with a naked singularity while zipping across the universe.

 

In theory, adding matter to a black hole could make it spin fast enough to shed its event horizon, but previously, physicists have calculated that the spin of black holes has an inherent speed limit that prevents such shedding.

 

This limit is partly determined by the swirling tornado of space-time that surrounds a spinning black hole.

 

Past simulations showed that if material was added that made space-time swirl faster, adding yet more material would be increasingly difficult because the increased centrifugal force might fling it outwards before it could reach theblack hole's event horizon, spin it up and disrupt it.

 

Infalling matter can disrupt a black hole's event horizon, exposing a 'naked' singularity

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I do find it fascinating how people can believe in something when logic is staring them in the face and saying it can not be. When something is proven to be false I move on, how ever difficult that may be.

Trojan:

 

Is time to remember some old news you already know...:

 

Professor McHardy comments, "By studying the way in which the X-ray emission from black hole systems varies, we found that the accretion or 'feeding' process - where the black hole is pulling in material from its surroundings - is the same in black holes of all sizes and that AGN are just scaled-up Galactic black holes. We also found that the way in which the X-ray emission varies is strongly correlated with the width of optical emission lines from black hole systems."

 

He adds, "These observations have important implications for our understanding of the different types of AGN, as classified by the width of their emission lines. Thus narrow line Seyfert galaxies, which are often discussed as being unusual, are no different to other AGN; they just have a smaller ratio of mass to accretion rate."

 

The research shows that the characteristic timescale changes linearly with black hole mass, but inversely with the accretion rate (when measured relative to the maximum possible accretion rate). This result means that the accretion process is the same in black holes of all sizes. By measuring the characteristic timescale and the accretion rate, the team argues this simple relationship can help determine black hole masses where other methods are very difficult, for example in obscured AGN or in the much sought after intermediate mass black holes.

 

Professor McHardy continues: "Accretion of matter into a black hole produces strong X-ray emission from very close to the black hole itself. So, studying the way in which the X-ray emission varies with time, known as the X-ray lightcurves, provides one of the best ways of understanding the behaviour of black holes.

 

It has been known for over two decades that characteristic timescales can be seen in the X-ray lightcurves of Galactic black hole systems. The timescales are short (second) and so can be found in short observations.

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Here's the full fax -

This is the Transcript of the Second FAX for Easy reference:

 

Dear Mr. Bell I am glad you 're back. I faxed this information to you the day before you left the air. I wanted to make sure it was n't lost in the shuffle so I am sending a gift.

 

If you've already seen this please accept my apologies if you choose to make this public please do not publish the fax number.

 

I had to fax when I heard the other time traveler calling in from the recent time past infact the year 2500 Ad.

 

Let me explain…

 

Mr. Bell I sent a fax with this opening on July 29 1998.

 

As I said then I am a time traveler. I have been on this world line since April of this year and I plan to leave soon. Typically time travelers do not purposely affect the world lines they visit..however this mission is unusually long and I've grown attatched to some of the people I have met here.

 

(isn't that the stockholm syndrome or something? – Art says)

 

Anyway for my own reasons I have decided to help this world line by sharing information about the future with a few people in the hope that it will help their future. I am contacting you for the same reason. Unfortunately there is no historical reference to your program in my worldline .

 

I believe you can change your future by creating one now.

 

Some of the information presented on your program maybe invaluable to upline researchers . I suggest you isolate the programs that concentrate on military technology and new physics theories. Transcribe these programs and put them someplace safe away from the box. I recommend someplace in the mid west.

 

(away from the box what does he mean?-art says)

 

I also urge you to reconsider your paranoia to the Russians

 

(I am not paranoid about the Russians)

 

They are not preparing for war with the average US citizen . They are preparing for war with the US government. They will eventually save this country and the lives of

 

million of Americans.

 

I realize my claims are a bit difficult to accept so I will send the following once I know you have recieved this fax.

 

A few pages from the operations manual of my time machine. And a few colored photographs of my vehicle.

 

( alright so you know I got it send them along.-art says)

 

If you wish to contact me I will be happy to share with you the nature of time , the physics of time travel and some of the events of your future.

 

(God I hadn't read this earlier..)

 

Please send a return package to (and he gives the number..)

:D

 

An a reference to the Y2K 16 Bug...problem

 

Y2K16 Bug Link

 

 

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CNN tracks the origin of Y2K 16 Bug...

 

Microsoft glitch sends texts from the 'future'

 

January 12, 2010 -- Updated 2150 GMT (0550 HKT)

 

(CNN) -- Some smartphone owners running Windows software say they're getting messages from the future.

 

At least that's how it looks. Since New Year's Day, a small but growing number of users are reporting that the date on the texts they're receiving says that it's 2016.

 

While the problem with Windows Mobile was first reported on January 1, other users have reported it cropping up in the days since.

 

For the most part -- largely, no doubt, because there are no other obvious problems with the texts -- users appear to be having fun with their supposed glimpses ahead in time.

 

"Kind of throws a kink into that 2012 theory, eh?" wrote one user on a Sprint message board, referring to the apocalyptic (and oft-mocked) theory that the world will end that year.

 

"I got a text from my girlfriend from the year 2016 ... ," wrote another. "Apparently in the future I still haven't cleaned out the hallway closet."

 

Microsoft said it is aware of the problem and working on it with telephone manufacturers and other partners.

 

"These reports have not yet resulted in widespread customer inquiries," the statement said. "However, we are working closely with our manufacturing and mobile operator partners to investigate the cause and correct the issue as appropriate."

 

While some online users have posted workarounds for the problem, Microsoft is yet to get rid of it.

 

According to multiple tech blogs and message boards, most people reporting the problem were using HTC phones and the Sprint network.

 

Until Microsoft or one of its partners comes up with a solution, users will just have to deal with the fact that, as tech gadget site Gizmodo wrote, the futuristic texts "are a bug, not a feature."

Link to a Bug, not a feature...

 

 

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Well, Gotta be home by sunset.That's the best I can hope for. Wooooosh.;)

Is time to consider some types of "time loops":

 

1. Physical Time Loop

 

In a physical time loop, the space_time loops around to form several closed time_like curves. Since the time in that region is looped, you could only escape it by leaving the affected area. Also, there would be an infinite number of copies of any matter in the area, unless an object left the loop. In that case, there would only be as many copies of that object as many times it completed the loop. This type of time loop cannot be ended or destroyed.

 

2. Conscious Time Loop

 

In a conscious time loop, everyone's consciousness loops through time. In such a time loop, causality could easily be violated.

 

3. Probability loops 1

 

A probability loop is a variation of a time loop in which a situation is told over and over, or concurrently, but with variations in the story, based on a random event ie:a software bug.

 

4. Repeated single loops

 

These are not time loops, but the repeated going-back.

 

5. A probability loop 2

 

Is a variation of a time loop in which a situation is told over and over, or concurrently, but with variations in the story, based on a choice.

 

i think that the 2 Johns experienced the 5 types in these incursions in other time_worlds...

 

and they make some Moebius curves with the original time_lines... and the altervues and time_ripples reflex the changes in the past 10 years.

 

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I have to disagree with you Darby. This was something he would NOT forget.

And I have to disagree with you. That YOU haven't forgotten the details of your conversations in late 2000 - early 2001 doesn't mean that S/HE would not forget them. You assume that the conversations were important because they have consumed you to various degrees over time. That doesn't translate to the same condition for JT/TTO. For all we know, and the evidence does support the proposition, it was meaningless for JT/TTO. .

 

What is true is that the story has always played on your emotional positions. You "Believe" one day and on another day you "Question". Good for the JTF because you've never said that you have truly looked at the totality of the evidence and said that its probably not true. So long as you continue to lean toward the story being more true than not then they continue to live off of your suspension of disbelief. It does nothing for you, personally, and it lines their pockets (not that I have any particular problem with that position).

 

So it all come down to why you believe that HE would not forget something. There's no evidence to lead us to believe that anything that transpired was important to him/her at the time. There's only evidence to indicate that it was important to you.

 

So why do you believe that he wouldn't forget the details (other than your feelings about the situation)?

 

 

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Sorry. To explain that to you would give away the secret song. It might help you to know that only part of our conversations were shared on the board for all to see. You also have to realize that you and others are only basing your decision on that information only. You have asked yourselves why doesn't this person just come to the same conclusion I have? Now I have told you why. It is also true that sometimes you just gotta keep moving..gotta keep moving on.

 

 

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You also have to realize that you and others are only basing your decision on that information only. You have asked yourselves why doesn't this person just come to the same conclusion I have? Now I have told you why.

 

 

The moral of the whole story is that anyone can claim to be anything on the internet. I've made up stuff myself....back in 1998/1999 I created quite a well known 'female' character in PC gaming circles. Even headed a major gaming 'clan' as this non-existent character.

 

I was amazed how easy it was ( this was just before the days of Roger Wilco and voice chat in games ) to persuade people that I was the opposite sex and half my actual age ! I created an entire fictitious 'real life' and actually had a good deal of fun being some totally bogus person.

 

It was never really my initial intention to 'deceive' anyone....it was more a case of becoming fascinated with just how EASY it was to invent and maintain and interact, using a character I had completely made up. How readily people take one, unquestioningly, at face value. Also....very interesting indeed....the peer pressure from those who accept the lie, against anyone who dares question it !

 

To this day...nobody has any idea that that person was me. And....nobody ever will. I know exactly what it is like to be Titor. There was even a secret word ( just like your song ) used to identify me as the 'real' McCoy. And I've no doubt I left some people wondering..where did I get to.

 

But why spoil a good show ? Sure....I 'deceived' a whole bunch of people. But my attitude is that nobody is any the wiser, so why not just leave it that way. It is not the deception that hurts, it is the coming out with the truth and TELLING people the the thing was a lie. Why do so ? And it's a pretty safe bet that Titor would feel the same way.

 

 

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Recall, I think what I am going to do is take some time to go through johns old emails and some of the chats I saved and see if I can examine those different dates by things he said to me. Since I obviously spoke to both. I also noticed he had used several different email accounts and I want to see if they correspond to the different dates as well.just for the heck of it.

 

 

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and also why you feel so strongly that John must have done the same thing as you had done.

 

Well no....the reason why I am 100% certain Titor is a hoax is quite simply that his 'time machine' is a physical impossibility. I am thus in the position of KNOWING you've been duped, as with no working time machine Titor cannot possibly have been a time traveller.

 

You are still pondering it all 10 years later...solely because you have chosen to totally ignore the facts.

 

 

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Regardless of whether John Titor is a hoax or not, doesn't necessarily take away the dream of time travel becoming a reality. I can't really find fault with Pamela for pursuing that dream.

 

How many times does it have to be said that Pamela has been duped ? or that anyone ignores the facts surronding john Titor.

 

I feel that this has been established and Pamela responded to such comments already, numerous times. Enough is enough on that...don't you think ?

 

That there may be more than one John is likely, and there may have quite a few people involved with the confabrication of the whole John Titor Epic.

 

Case in point: The laser picture obviously was altered, and if you look carefully at the photo, and perhaps run it through another photo editing program, you might discover that the person holding the laser is actually a compilation of two different people.

 

In addition to there being two different people used to create one person sitting in the Corvette, someone had to take the photograph. So, that in itself points to the fact that more than one person is involved.

 

Within Time Travel Institute are a couple of comments as made by the one person involved with Time Travel Institute who has the means to know who John Titor is...and that poster said exactly that :

 

"...given that I know who Titor *really* is. "

 

In additon that one person who would know who John Titor "really" is also posted this in the same thread :

 

" Darby knows everything I know. He is certainly on the right track. John Titor is a hoax. It will be exposed. "

 

I am not going to say "who" wrote 'em, but leave up to anyone interested to find out "who" wrote those comments themselves.

 

 

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How many times does it have to be said that Pamela has been duped ? or that anyone ignores the facts surronding john Titor.

 

I feel that this has been established and Pamela responded to such comments already, numerous times. Enough is enough on that...don't you think ?

 

No I don't think so in the least. Pamela has never once responded decisively to say Titor was a hoax. Instead, every so often we get this ' oh...maybe he was real.....if only he would just write and say so '. At which point, it becomes quite justifiable to point out the facts again.

 

Regardless of whether John Titor is a hoax or not, doesn't necessarily take away the dream of time travel becoming a reality. I can't really find fault with Pamela for pursuing that dream.

 

That is an entirely seperate issue. Whether time travel is or will ever be real is not bound up with the Titor saga........though some seem to wish to have it that way.

 

In addition to there being two different people used to create one person sitting in the Corvette, someone had to take the photograph. So, that in itself points to the fact that more than one person is involved.

Not necessarily.....could be a delayed action camera.

 

 

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I would be very interested in talking with someone else who has a copy of johns book. I did notice that in the book there was mention of john arriving in 1998 and then in another area it said he arrived in 2000. I thought the book had quite a few errors and then I noticed when the mother talked about a team winning the superbowl I looked it up and it was actually the OTHER team that won. I was wondering if anyone else noticed this as well who has the book.

 

 

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I just have facts that you do not have.

One thing that Pamela and her boyfriend/hero have in common is they both like to make unfalsifiable claims to bolster their stories. And in Pamela's case, such statements serve to keep the focus of the story on her, as the only person who could (supposedly) validate or falsify Titor. Convenient. Enough so that it still makes her a suspect for being a member of Team Titor. Her job being to keep the story alive, and to never show any propensity to disbelieve Titor's tales. In such hoaxes and scams there is often a person planted to be that voice that incessantly says "you never know...it could be true!"

 

As as far as letting up on Pamela, this is an area where Kerr and I respectfully disagree. IMHO, anyone who does what Pamela does to keep the focus of the Titor story on her invites continual pressure. That is the price she pays for continuing to be an active "public figure" in the Titor story. So be it. It is little different than the role that Al Gore plays in the Global Warming scam. He loves the attention, so he gets it, especially from the people who know GW is pseudo-scientific BS.

 

RMT

 

 

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Excuse me but I am not the one who posted the video asking for someone to step forward to verify this john through a B52 song. It sounds like you are threatening me. I am just posting what I know. I am still waiting to see if someone else steps forward and does it. So you hate posts about john titor why are you not posting new and interesting posts about time travel to keep this forum active? You claim to be smart and all knowing in the area of time travel but I see no active posts on here nothing new. Are you really just waiting for time travelers to come forth and post? When I return I look forward to reading your new and interesting topics you have come up with.Your new topics that have nothing to do with john titor but just about time travel. Your theories, what you know, maybe some topics on quantum physics. Should be interesting and looking forward to reading them.

 

 

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It sounds like you are threatening me.

Oh please. Exactly what did you interpret as a threat? I'm waiting.

 

You claim to be smart and all knowing in the area of time travel

I do? Really? Please show me where I make any such claim. I'm waiting. What you are attempting to do has a name: Strawman. Never have I claimed to be "all knowing in the area of time travel". In fact, the knowledge that I reflect on this forum is scientific knowledge, backed by General Relativity, that tells us "time" is not an independent measure at all. Science tells us that you cannot separate time from space. This has been proven to be a fact by many experiments.

 

You seem to have a problem with science. At least insofar as your not choosing to accept when science tells us something like the above, and the resulting truth that comes along with it: There never will be "time travel" because you cannot separate time from space. If there will be any travel that involves temporality shifts, it will necessarily be "spacetime travel." But that won't stop you from continuing to believe in your time traveling boyfriend... enjoy your fantasy world.

 

When I return I look forward to reading your new and interesting topics you have come up with.Your new topics that have nothing to do with john titor but just about time travel. Your theories, what you know, maybe some topics on quantum physics. Should be interesting and looking forward to reading them.

You make the mistake of believing that I am the type of man who jumps at the beck and call of a woman and does whatever she demands. It would seem you are the type of woman who enjoys telling men what to do. Have fun with that fantasy world as well!

 

RMT

 

 

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