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I'm posting here to hopefully gained some expedited insight into what may be


construed as belonging in the Science, or New Science forums - however the revelance


of my speculation will be apparent shortly I'm sure.


"If" anyone here were to fantasically believe it to be possible to derive a pattern


of our thought processes, and personality from DNA, where would this most likely reside?




I understand that it's potential much like an undeveloped egg laying dormant -


and this challenges nature vs. nuture...


However, there's two lines of thought with this;


I'm wondering on pattern sequencing made relative to a person's overall


charateristics which we know very well resides within the DNA just as genetic defects will.


If any extremely complex pattern may be derived and then made relative to our conditioning,


could we then produce an algorithm to mimic the growth and development process?


I'm imagining made relative to be based on two sequences -


The sequence determined to hold characteristics of potential then held agaisnt an overall


construct which indicates the physco/social averages of normal development.


The latter open to manipulation of "fine tuning" for whatever desired outcomes would be sought.


Desired, or purposefully held up to trial and error testing.


I have no question that the computers we're using would takes ages to calculate,


though upon revisiting some hypothetical technologies like SUN's Corona spherical


processor architecture we are not far off from being able to perform some very amazing


number crunching. Not to mention some of IBM's ideas/technologies.


Any ideas or feedback?


I understand the possible limitations involved but I'm looking for


any insight that could lend to the idea in a positive way


(even if it's probability were extremely low to be almost non-existant).


Obviously all of our potential is within our building blocks even if undeveloped,


though perhaps the question better stated would be what kind of sequencing would give


enough unique patterns to then have a base for the creation of an algorithm that's related


yet at the same time unique?


Or am I making this too complicated and that would all be relying upon the second static sequence


as mentioned above to hold the individual unique sequence to run agaisnt?


-'And yes I'm sure that there will be those that just post to say how


Potentially wrong I am ;)



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Just read here:




The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), mind's influence on weather patterns and much more.


In addition, there is evidence for a whole new type of medicine in which DNA can be influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies WITHOUT cutting out and replacing single genes. Only 10% of our DNA is being used for building proteins. It is this subset of DNA that is of interest to western researchers and is being examined and categorized. The other 90% are considered "junk DNA."


The Russian researchers, however, convinced that nature was not dumb, joined linguists and geneticists in a venture to explore that 90% of "junk DNA." Their results, findings and conclusions are simply revolutionary!


According to there findings, our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body but also serves as data storage and communication. The Russian linguists found that the genetic code —especially in the apparent "useless" 90%— follows the same rules as all our human languages.


To this end they compared the rules of syntax (the way in which words are put together to form phrases and sentences), semantics (the study of meaning in language forms) and the basic rules of grammar. They found that the alkalines of our DNA follow a regular grammar and do have set rules just like our languages. Therefore, human languages did not appear coincidentally but are a reflection of our inherent DNA.


The Russian biophysicist and molecular biologist Pjotr Garjajev and his colleagues also explored the vibrational behavior of DNA. In brief the bottom line was: "Living chromosomes function just like a holographic computer using endogenous DNA laser radiation." This means that they managed, for example, to modulate certain frequency patterns (sound) onto a laser-like ray which influenced DNA frequency and thus the genetic information itself.


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The 'Russian DNA discovery' has done the rounds all over the net......mostly on sites like Rense.com. And always quoting the exact same text..........which looks to me suspiciously like the whole thing arose from an email hoax.


It is very similar to the 'Amazing Chinese UFO - Confirmed by Scientists' reports going round......which when you actually check a little further you find the actual scientists deny anything of the sort.


I've yet to see a single mention of the DNA stuff on any reputable news or science site. I cannot find a single mention of Pjotr Garjajev even in a fairly scientifically 'liberal' site like sciencedaily.com.....and doing a search over 10 years.


The whole thing is yet another example of just how gullible people are on the net, and ready to believe ( and propagate ) any drivel they read.



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In any case, their entire 'discovery' would, even if true, be a piece of logically fallacious nonsense that gets the cart before the horse.


To argue that DNA is coded in a manner similar to the structure of language, and present it as something amazing with profound consequences, is about as stupid as it gets. It is totally ass backwards.


I mean, of course DNA is coded similar to language ! DNA evolved billions of years before language ever did....and when language did finally evolve, it would have had a structure and mechanism similar to DNA for the very simple reason that it is encoded by DNA within the genes.


So all these scientists would really have 'discovered'......putting the horse correctly back in front of the cart.......is that language is encoded in our genes ( and not vice versa ). Something any 1st year kid in science lessons could probably grasp would be the case.



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Obviously all of our potential is within our building blocks even if undeveloped,


though perhaps the question better stated would be what kind of sequencing would give


enough unique patterns to then have a base for the creation of an algorithm that's related


yet at the same time unique?


But therein lies the problem.....as the potential cannot in itself reveal that aspect of us that is 'emergent' and thus more than the sum of the parts.


So one will never truly be able to say ' Ah, that person behaved in a way that one could precisely determine from their genes ', because while the genes may influence behaviour in general....there are all manner of other factors ( including the external world ) at work that probably have a greater impact.



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