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Having read previous posts on this board, I know one of the first questions I will be asked will concern the technological aspects of the "machine" that allowed me to come here. Suffice it to say, it is not a machine in any sense of this Earth's technology. I am the first to make this journey from my planet, and it was made with a pyramidal device constructed of crystals. I did not make it (our scientists did), nor do I know the mechanics of its construction.

All of which begs the obvious question: If you have no idea at all about how the gadget works and your mission is spiritual rather than time travel (time travel serving only as an incidental mode of transportation) how the hell did you conclude that this time travel forum is the appropriate place to land rather than a religion, philosophy or political science based forum? You might have noticed as you read the posts that we're here to talk about time travel, the one topic of which you know nothing. Doh! (You did receive a mission brief, yes? Were you confused about the mission goal?)

 

And I was wondering, BTW. If your mission is to "spread spiritual knowledge that we hope will guide this Earth from a technological point of no return to a more naturalistic, spiritual way of being" and you're the first time traveler from your world: how the frack did your handlers know that we were in need of some hippie-dippie pyramid and crystals 1968 Haight-Ashbury paternal guidance or that your way was more "natural" than what was occuring on another planet in an entirely different universe that they had no previous contact with thus had no way of even knowing that it existed let alone what was occuring there? Were they loaded while designing the mission profile or just RF'ing the rookie chrononaut?

 

(And God how I wish the OWETO's would at least attempt to posit something unique ( this one isn't), interesting (definitely not in this case) and do some self pre-release editing to make sure that there is some form of self-consistency and logic in the details of their not-so-original sagas. It's not really that much to ask of them, Lord, is it? Or is it your Plan for them to implode after four days, spend two days attempting to recover and rest on the seventh and final day before disappearing into Lame TT History?)

 

 

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I don't know what happened to my previous post, if it was deleted, I don't know why...

 

I won't go into the whole song and dance again, but, in short...

 

Here's my whole problem with these "enlightened" societies, who's passionate about sewage treatment? Who had the calling to become a garbageman? Who was the five year old who had a dream to one day be a mortician?

 

I'm not saying people can't be happy at these jobs, but, if everybody does the work they're "called" to, nobody would be doing those things. In order for that type of society to exist, you're either going to have to have slaves or highly advanced robots. And, I'm inb4 robots, too, so don't claim you have them now.

 

-D. Dodge Silver

 

 

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Ok, I have some "spiritual" questions, then:

 

1. Please chart the development of your particular brand of monotheism. Did it develop from pantheism, or has the idea of a single divine being always been the standard in your culture?

 

2. At any time, have any analogues to our major (or minor) Earth religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism being the "big 5" so to speak) been in operation in your world? If so, compare and contrast.

 

 

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Solar powered tractors? To till the land? Le'see - if your tractor has virtually 100% efficient solar panels, about two square meters of them, you'll generate, oh 300 watts. Enough to light three 100 watt light bulbs for 24 hours. How much does that tractor weigh and how many acres of dirt mass does it bust up per day? Even if the electric motor outputs zero heat loss and converts all 300 watts to useful work? On rainy days does it have a wind power conversion kit?

yeah, this guy is full of crap, but the idea is possible, if batteries are involved. but wait, that would make it a battery operated tractor, with solar powered batteries! heh...

 

 

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Given your society's lack of reliance on technology, there's a million logistical issues that would have to be dealt with on a consistent basis in order to have a sustainable community. In addition to trash and waste management:

 

1. Crops and livestock have to be cared for, harvested, and processed into food. Sure, some folks aspire to be farmers and ranchers, but making butter is pretty far from a glamour profession.

 

2. Your radios (which you mentioned) and other items have to be manufactured. Raw materials have to be acquired and processed. Mining and forging are tough jobs. At some point, they have to be assembled and packaged, not to mention retailed.

 

3. Solar technology is great, but even if you rely on it 100%, distribution systems have to be maintained. You need electricians. On that note, you need general contractors, builders, plumbers, HVAC dudes, etc. Since your society values community so strongly, you must have building codes of a sort... that requires inspectors and engineers to develop the codes, and a government to put force of law behind the codes.

 

4. Have you ever noticed that scientific progress always leaps when new forms of communication are made available? Science and technology are pushed further when one person builds on the work of another who previously built on the work of other predecessors. The more ways to share information, the faster your science progresses. What are your means of mass communication? Who maintains them?

 

 

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Oh snap! I forgot one more question:

 

5. If you are here for the rest of your natural life, how did you prepare for that change? Do you have documentation (social security number, birth certificate, citizenship-type stuff)? Did you get a job, how are you supporting yourself? Are you aware that most countries have pretty serious penalties for illegal entry?

 

 

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What this Earth needs is spiritual awakening

Well, even if you're a hoaxer, I still admire your apparent spirituality. I am on a spiritual path of my own and I'm very happy with it. :)

 

However, I'm not sure that attempting to persuade people to spiritually awaken would work with most of them. I tend to be of the belief that a person comes to religion or spirituality when they're ready for it, and of their own accord. It doesn't work for everyone. Not that there's anything wrong with some light encouragement, but it's best not to lay it on too thick - I usually think it's best to let people discover religion or spirituality on their own, without attempting to force their hand in any way.

 

 

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It is difficult for me to understand why it is hard for some on this Earth to understand that if a traveler comes to a certain place, he or she learns the language of that place.

But, If you are the first traveler here, how could you have possibily of learned before hand?

 

Per your first argument, see my above posts on language. I do not speak here the language from my Earth, but the proper language of this Earth. That said, they are not terribly different.

Could you give us an example of your langauge then?

 

Per your second argument, I do not assert we have had no scientific achievements, but simply that these achievements did not take root in an Industrial Revolution as on this Earth. We have never used fossil fuels.

When and how did your Earth's equivalent of our Industrial Revolution happen, and what technology came from it.

 

Per your fourth argument, all aspects of a timeline are somewhat different. Every religion, not just Christianity, formed differently until they all amalgamated in worship of the One. There has never been a "divine claimant" on our planet, and we have never considered there to be different races, but only one.

 

P.S. Arguing from this Earth's timeline to my timeline cannot work since you do not know how events in my Earth's timeline developed. But as I've done a bit in this post, I am more than happy to answer questions to the best of my knowledge. about how my Earth developed.

 

I'm taking you up on that offer, could you give us this breif history of your world and how it differs from ours.

 

 

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It is difficult for me to understand why it is hard for some on this Earth to understand that if a traveler comes to a certain place, he or she learns the language of that place.

 

Oh dear......you've truly dug a hole for yourself there !

 

You see, as Darby pointed out, if you are the FIRST traveller here......how the hell would you know what the language was ???

 

Neither you or any of your kind have ever been here on this Earth before.....according to YOUR OWN STORY. Yet you arrive here and post immediately in Oxford English Dictionary vernacular !!

 

Well....you've truly tripped yourself up there haven't you ! And you have no way out of it.

 

That's what comes from not thinking out your hoax properly beforehand. You end up tripping over all the logical inconsistencies in your story.

 

 

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The crystalline machine by which I traveled here transferred my soul to this timeline via new birth. My physical body on my Earth ceased to exist at that time. It was something I volunteered for, so it does not sound nearly as harsh as it may seem. I was born in the southern United States, as a legal citizen of course. This was not a virginal birth, as in so many of this Earth's god-man stories, but was an "ensoulment" of the fetus created by my father's sperm and mother's egg on this Earth.

 

At the age of 16, I was telepathically informed by the High Council on my planet of my mission on this Earth. I am currently a graduate student of religion.

 

That I was born and raised on this Earth should provide some understanding as to my English usage.

 

 

Oh come off it ! Most people when their badly thought out time travel stories are exposed as such at least have the decency to give up. But you seem determined to dig an ever deeper hole for yourself.

 

So now you're completely changing your story. No longer an interdimensional traveller, but some regular Earth being who.....er.....has hallucinations.

 

Well.....planet Earth has lots of secure institutions full of people who think they are the leader of some 'new religion' and sent from beings hiding in the space ship behind the comet.

 

You may have found a psychotherapy forum more useful than a time travel forum.

 

 

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Per your second argument, I do not assert we have had no scientific achievements, but simply that these achievements did not take root in an Industrial Revolution as on this Earth. We have never used fossil fuels.

 

Well....that kills your story stone dead. And shows how little you know about the Industrial Revolution.

 

You see....NONE of our current technology would have come about without steam power. It was steam power that provided the very basis of the industrial revolution. And even more so.....it was steam power that powered the pumps that emptied the coal and other mines of water.

 

The need to create more efficient steam engines is what drove the industrial revolution. The need to understand HOW steam worked was what led to modern chemistry and physics.....and the discovery of atoms.

 

So to argue that you have never used fossil fuels....like coal for example....well, it is inconceivable that you have ANY modern technology on your planet at all !

 

 

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Churchhead,

 

Darby, why are you basing our solar-powered systems on the technology of this Earth's solar-powered systems? Again, technology is not my area of expertise, and I am aware how inefficient solar-powered energy is on this Earth, but that is what we use on my Earth.

I wasn't basing your solar-powered systems on our solar-powered systems. Quite the contrary and I did make that very clear. I said that assuming you got 100% efficiency and had a 2 square meters of solar panels that you would generate 300 watts of electricity. On the surface of the Earth facing the sun (at noon actually) the solar energy that reaches the surface is about 160 watts/m^2. At 100% efficiency your tractor has a bit over 300 watts available from the panels. It's quite impossible to get 100% efficiency but I allowed you to have it in any case.

 

But it's irrelevent. Your scientists are either idiot savants who don't understand the implications of their own technology or you are getting hosed, my friend, and there ain't no kiss involved.

 

Why the frack would your scientists and engineers let your poor slogging farmers slave away with solar powered tractors in the first place? Un-freaking believable. You said it best. You have a gadget that uses a crystal and a pyramid configured such that it outputs so much energy that it literally rips a hole in space-time that allows you to not only move in space and move in time but it allows you to travel ro entirely different universes! And they stick you schmucks with the toy technology - solar panels - that can only use whatever the comparitively insignificant star Sol outputs to the surface of the planet. What? Solar panels? You don't need no stinking solar panels, Gringo. You have crystals and pyramids. Energy is energy. Your Pyramid Power gadget is just slightly more efficient and has a slightly larger power output than your panels. In fact, one crystal-pyramid would do quite nicely powering every device on your Earth plus those of several hundred additional planets for maybe 10,000 years. Just one.

 

Hosed, I say. Hosed. And I'm assuming that the hippie-dippie Haight-Ashbury escapees have outlawed the petroleum industry so you don't even have Vaseline to easy the pain of the hosing.

 

 

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I will post on other forums more specifically designed for religious/philosophical discussion, but I will also continue posting here. If one receives the message, that is a beginning is it not

But that's the problem, isn't it? Here we are in our own universe, located in our own spiral galaxy where our planet is located way out on the periphery of one of the spiral arms enjoying ourselves. And you, far, far away in your own universe and galaxy where we pose no threat of even communication with your world let alone spreading our technocracy to your world presume in the most arrogant, self-righteous, patronizing imperialist manner to know better than we what is best for us and then go out of your way to journey to our world to let us know about your opinion of us. Who died and elected your world as Keeper of the Faith of anything but your own world?

 

Our world already tried your way of National Socialism and the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist collective where people have value, but only to the collective and freedom plays second fiddle to the collective. You know, individualists need not apply - and we have a pogrom just for you. Heck, it only cost the lives of 50-60 million people before the progressive liberated proletariat mass of the collective realized while vacationing in the pristine climes of Sobibor, Treblinka, Warsaw, Auschwitz, Siberia, Kamchatka, Irkutsk and Yakutsk that, like you, they'd been hosed. At least they had some form of generic Vaseline.

 

 

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Nothing good to report here, except I guess that parallel universes are made up of fascists or that a lot of them are fascists.

 

Now, when you asked a question on the other page, why did you think that you were actually asking a question when it is clear that you were not, except you used proper English? No, that is not English that is what it is, a question, that does not require an answer.

 

Humans are on this Planet in this Universe. Smaller than amoeba-sized, the Universe is not Enough!

 

I guess!

 

Let us continue this discussion, with:

 

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!

 

:)

 

 

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