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My posts were not an attack, they were an observation.

 

But the relentless attack on Darby for something as innocuous as internet sales of a meaningless book about a fake time traveler

Some on this forum make statements without the foundation of facts on their sides. Darby's statement, in particular, had no basis in fact, and as his previous posts of the last 12 years demonstrate, he is not an authority on the topic. Many reading these forums and others would do well to recognize this and not rely on the judgment or opinions of others.

 

That puff of air you just felt was the point of my posts whizzing by your head.

 

Oh that's right, TR believes Titor was real.

Belief based on knowledge and evidence, evidence that does not exist in the literature most are aware of informs my statements. I cannot help you if you will not avail yourself to the full evidence of Titor's (and others') statements.

 

Again, not the first, won't be the last.

Hope springs eternal

 

And we can see from TR's signature that this person wants us to go to their website and see the "evidence".

A conviction without full knowledge of the facts is lazy and sloppy.

 

It seems obvious TR wants to engage in a discussion here about Titor because they want to "prove" Titor was real.

This is true, though I did that quite a while ago.

 

Good luck with that...

Thank you RMT.

 

I wonder, how soon will we be able to move on from the Titor posts and expand our inquiry?

 

As Ever

 

Temporal Recon

 

 

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Some on this forum make statements without the foundation of facts on their sides. (snip) Many reading these forums and others would do well to recognize this and not rely on the judgment or opinions of others.

And statements like this are the arrogant ones in which you seem to imply that you have all the facts about Titor. And when it comes to "judgment or opinions" what are we to make of the fact that in the teaser for your little book you rely on the opinion that Titor was lying about something?

 

"The conclusions the book makes are 100% (100%) based on Titor's statements. No contortions of logic were needed."

 

Oh, so you don't consider it a "contortion of logic" when you simply decide where Titor was lying and where he was not?

 

"(did you know titor lied about CERN'S involvement?)"

 

For a story which is unscientific at its very basis (cannot be formally falsified), pray tell how you decide the difference between when the storyteller was lying, or was just outright wrong about how the future would turn out? Indeed, isn't it possible that some non-scientifically minded person (like you) could try to make a case for ANYTHING that Titor "predicted" which did not come to pass was merely a "lie"?

 

There are a great many people who are scientifically minded (and I am just one) who don't buy the marketing hype of your book on your little site. It is adolescent, at best, but yes there are idiots out there who will fall for it. That makes you a predator of the less-than-intelligent, and as such that makes you my enemy. I do not like people who take advantage of those who are more gullible than others.

 

That puff of air you just felt was the point of my posts whizzing by your head.

Cute. (not)

 

Belief based on knowledge and evidence, evidence that does not exist in the literature most are aware of informs my statements. I cannot help you if you will not avail yourself to the full evidence of Titor's (and others') statements.

And all I have to do is purchase your little book, yes? Save it pal. Heard it all before, and you are not the first to pretend to be an "investigator who cracked the Titor story" just to make some coin. You are not impressing me with your arrogant statements implying you are the only one with the facts.

 

A conviction without full knowledge of the facts is lazy and sloppy.

There you go again...

 

I wonder, how soon will we be able to move on from the Titor posts and expand our inquiry?

Clearly vague statements like this mean you have a direction that you wish to lead people (ostensibly for the purpose of book sales and may have nothing to do with actual, veridical evidence). So how about you cut out the theatrics and arrogant statements intended to get me to take your bait, and simply lay out your case?

 

Your tactic of not telling everything, but instead trying to gin-up intrigue (again, to sell your book) is an old one. And the more intelligent people here will not fall for it. But by all means, keep it up...go ahead with whatever direction you wish to take your little game. I will get the same amount of entertainment out of it no matter what it is...and you can be assured you will not be getting $24.99 from me.

 

RMT

 

 

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And statements like this are the arrogant ones in which you seem to imply that you have all the facts about Titor.

Not all of the facts regarding the Titor story are known by me nor are they revealed in Conviction of a Time Traveler. Nonetheless, many facts are presented there that were, heretofore, unknown. Likewise, many of those facts did not even come into being until after Titor departed the first time in 2001.

 

COATT should be the beginning of one’s inquiry, not the end.

 

 

 

what are we to make of the fact that in the teaser for your little book you rely on the opinion that Titor was lying about something?

No opinions form the basis for the conclusion that Titor was a “time traveler.”

 

 

 

Oh, so you don't consider it a "contortion of logic" when you simply decide where Titor was lying and where he was not?

No.

 

Presenting evidence of a lie is not an an example of an unsupported belief nor is it an opinion. Titor “lied” about several aspects of his story. It really is as simple as that.

 

 

 

), pray tell how you decide the difference between when the storyteller was lying, or was just outright wrong about how the future would turn out?

No prayers required, Mr. Rainman.

 

 

But your point is taken and I can understand why you might ask it.

 

Centrally, your question is: “How do you know when someone is lying?”

 

 

Simply put: Expertise and Experience.

 

 

 

Indeed, isn't it possible that some non-scientifically minded person (like you) could try to make a case for ANYTHING that Titor "predicted" which did not come to pass was merely a "lie"?

Yes, this is possible, but is it intellectually honest to oneself?

 

Your question is actually a restatement of an earlier argument for Titor’s “missed predictions;” That being the “it’s a different world line, so his predictions didn’t come true” argument of the true believer. This is an example of the contortions of logic that I make early on in COATT

 

 

 

There are a great many people who are scientifically minded (and I am just one) who don't buy the marketing hype of your book on your little site.

The hype is not for sale

 

 

 

] That makes you a predator of the less-than-intelligent, and as such that makes you my enemy.

Everyone needs a nemesis.

 

I wonder what a psychologist might say to that?

 

 

 

I do not like people who take advantage of those who are more gullible than others.

Neither do I, Mr. Rainman.

 

It would appear you make my argument for me when you highlight this.Though I am sure there may be some who take offense to being called "gullible."

 

 

Conviction of a Time Traveler is nothing more than a clear, concise presentation of the facts taken within the context of posts made in 2000-2001. It is up to the reader to decide for themselves if the evidence presented rises to the level of reasonable doubt and to then to take, or not take, actions based on their own conclusions.

 

 

It is extremely important for many to understand that the assertions made those who share your enthusiasm for falsehood and obfuscation are not the last word on the subject.

 

 

Titor even warned of this 12 year ago.

 

“It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief” – John Titor

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And all I have to do is purchase your little book, yes?

Yes, that would surely shorten the time it will take to get up to speed on the latest information, though it is by no means the only path to the truth. The information presented is readily available to anyone with the curiosity to find it and knowledge to ask the right questions.

 

 

 

… you are not the first to pretend to be an "investigator who cracked the Titor story" just to make some coin.

That much is certain!

 

I was very disappointed in the lack of professionalism I have seen over the years.

 

 

Though it might be asked, are these the words of someone who puts financial gain (“some coin” as you put it) above objective truth? What is the motivation then, if not a financial one?

 

 

 

You are not impressing me with your arrogant statements implying you are the only one with the facts.

I am not the only one with the facts, Mr. Rainman. There are others present here/now who know even more than I.

 

 

 

Clearly vague statements like this mean you have a direction that you wish to lead people

Yes

 

 

 

So how about you cut out the theatrics and arrogant statements intended to get me to take your bait, and simply lay out your case?

One might argue that the bait has already been taken, though I find it interesting that you think the bait was laid out for you. Nonetheless, your curiosity betrays your foot-stomping.

 

 

I would humbly recommend you recognize your unrequited curiosity and start asking questions instead of making statements so sure of your conclusions.

 

A few to get you started might be:

 

1) Do I even want to know the truth, or is this simply idle curiosity? If not, then maybe I should just move on then?

 

2) Am I able to accept the truth if I find it?

 

3) Who might have lied to me before now? Am I merely parroting statements of others before me?

 

4) What assumptions have I made over the past 12 years that I need to recognize and revisit?

 

5) If I find the truth, am I willing to take action as would a responsible adult? I’m assuming here you are of the age of majority, I have no evidence of this.

 

 

Those are just a few, I’m sure you will come up with others, or not. It’s entirely up to you.

 

 

 

and you can be assured you will not be getting $24.99 from me.

 

Geez, is that all? I need to raise the price!

 

As ever and always

 

Temporal Recon

 

 

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Ray,

Oh, for god's sake. Thank you, Ray. I'd completely forgotten that TR was promoting his book when I first responded to this thread. No damned wonder he was so offended by my assertion.

 

Interest in thread extinguished.

Yes, Darby. And get his schtick above in his reply to me. He is now telling me what questions I should ask, and trying to pretend he made no logical contortions to arrive at his conclusion that Titor was a real TTer. I can't say his marketing knack is all that great is he has to result to such desperation.

 

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Can someone enlighten me and tell me what is this copyright stuff for and who is this Ph.D guy called Karl Simanonok in relationship with this John Titor story?

 

Copyright Documentation

 

JOHN TITOR VALIDITY TEST BASED ON PREDICTION OF CIVIL WAR BY 2004-2005

 

I could only find a little bit of his background from Huffington Post website.

 

Karl Simanonok

 

Out of all 5 predictions, I could only found the Prediction 2 of LHC as valid:

 

What are 'mini' black holes?

 

 

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I have always read each comment with an open mind and I have always been willing to consider all options. That said, Temporal Recon has made a very solid point about Darby's credibility. Too bad many people are not that skilled at analytical thinking, which explains Darby's popular status as the resident Titor expert. And to answer the question as to who cares....? I do.

 

 

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Can someone enlighten me and tell me what is this copyright stuff for and who is this Ph.D guy called Karl Simanonok in relationship with this John Titor story?

Copyright Documentation

 

JOHN TITOR VALIDITY TEST BASED ON PREDICTION OF CIVIL WAR BY 2004-2005

 

I could only find a little bit of his background from Huffington Post website.

 

Karl Simanonok

 

Out of all 5 predictions, I could only found the Prediction 2 of LHC as valid:

 

What are 'mini' black holes?

Back in 2003 Karl was one of the people that Pamela introduced to me by inviting me to a chatroom with him. She was absolutely sure that Karl was the person behind John Titor and she wanted me to help her "catch him". So, I went along with the gag and when Pamela "published" her findings abd found that she was incorrect she decided to defend Karl and say that it was all my idea; she never believed he was Titor. She did it again a year or so later with another case of "This is the guy - I'm sure of it." Wrong again. And again she pointed at me and said it was all my idea.

 

Anyone wonder why I don't trust Ms. "Moore"?

 

But to back up Pamela's truth test (The Song) he came up with one of his own. He opened a website (which is still there) and applied for a USPTO copyright on the material. Why copyright it? Not a clue. And don't care to waste any time trying to find out. ;)

 

 

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Back in 2003 Karl was one of the people that Pamela introduced to me by inviting me to a chatroom with him. She was absolutely sure that Karl was the person behind John Titor and she wanted me to help her "catch him". So, I went along with the gag and when Pamela "published" her findings abd found that she was incorrect she decided to defend Karl and say that it was all my idea; she never believed he was Titor. She did it again a year or so later with another case of "This is the guy - I'm sure of it." Wrong again. And again she pointed at me and said it was all my idea.

Anyone wonder why I don't trust Ms. "Moore"?

 

But to back up Pamela's truth test (The Song) he came up with one of his own. He opened a website (which is still there) and applied for a USPTO copyright on the material. Why copyright it? Not a clue. And don't care to waste any time trying to find out. ;)

I had to protect John SOMEHOW. :) You are right Darby you could never trust me you will never get Johns info.

 

With all your "special psychological BS" against me to spill the beans................. he still was safe.

 

I actually find it funny that you are still talking about it.....especially when you say over and over how little interest you have in it ....but here you are STILL talking about it .lol This site has not progressed beyond John Titor I see.

 

I dont check it very often but dont you guys have anything else to talk about? just saying.....

 

anyway best wishes for you all and with Christmas coming up...Merry Christmas!

 

-pamela

 

 

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Oh, for god's sake. Thank you, Ray. I'd completely forgotten that TR was promoting his book when I first responded to this thread. No damned wonder he was so offended by my assertion.

I am wondering what Temporal Recon’s comments to Darby have to do with promoting his book. TEmporal Recon's arguments are solid based on their own merits.

 

 

In fact, many people reading this may not even be aware that Temporal Recon wrote a book in the first place until the above post referencing the book was made. So I have to ask (rhetorically of course), who is actually promoting the book here? Darby and RainManTime are, not the author.

 

 

In fact, that’s how I learned of the book several months ago. I had never heard of Temporal Recon at the time, and it was a few posts made by RainManTime accusing Temporal Recon of promoting his book that actually piqued my interest. Temporal Recon never mentioned the book until after the topic was brought up by others. Needless to say, I purchased a copy and have read it twice.

 

 

So I ask again, who is doing the promoting of Temporal Recon’s book? Not the author, but those who enjoy bashing it. And since this book is already being promoted on this website by the regulars, (and not by the author), then I will throw in my two cents.

 

 

For those who may be reading this thread and who are interested in John Titor, do yourself a big favor and buy the darn book. Try to put your pride and personal feelings about the author aside for a moment and read it. When you are done, you will know as much (or more) about John Titor than most people on this website (or anywhere else for that matter).

 

 

The author has done extensive and thorough research unlike anything else that has been published or posted. And for that reason, I believe he is entitled to a few cents in royalties for his work. So if you do not have the time (or are too lazy) to conduct this level of research yourself, consider yourself lucky that someone else has done the work for you.

 

 

The book is called Conviction of a Time Traveler and can be purchased on a website of the same name:

 

 

http://www.convictionofatimetraveler.com/

 

 

If you don’t like the book, I challenge you to post your comments or arguments here and be sure to cite specific examples. I will be the first one to side with anyone who can present a better argument. And good luck with that.

 

 

My advise is not find yourself among the ignorant people who try to discredit the book but who have never actually read it.

 

Cheers

 

 

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so, what is spam? the spammer- or the the spammers supporter, or the open opposer who only aid the spammer when by arguing, ensure more coverage and attention is given to the spammer?

 

All in all, I really don't care which answer you all wish to take.

 

What I do know is, the thread is boring.... it is about as interesting as listening to Question Time from the House Of Commons- and probably as about as enlightening.

 

If you have a book to promote-please be open about it! Then I am sure more people would be open to buying it at a REASONABLE price.

 

These forms of pseudo cleverness, just turns people off- sorry, they will read the posts and decide against a purchase.

 

There are far better ways to market, promote and sell your book. Step number 1 is to come across as not only openly interesting, but a likeable person.

 

We ALL like someone who smiles!

 

Dave

 

 

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NozeItAll;

 

I am wondering what Temporal Recon’s comments to Darby have to do with promoting his book. TEmporal Recon's arguments are solid based on their own merits.

Since you decided to stick up for Temporal Recon, I ask you, just what are the merits of Temporal Recon's arguments?

 

In fact, many people reading this may not even be aware that Temporal Recon wrote a book in the first place until the above post referencing the book was made. So I have to ask (rhetorically of course), who is actually promoting the book here? Darby and RainManTime are, not the author.

 

 

In fact, that’s how I learned of the book several months ago. I had never heard of Temporal Recon at the time, and it was a few posts made by RainManTime accusing Temporal Recon of promoting his book that actually piqued my interest. Temporal Recon never mentioned the book until after the topic was brought up by others.

Well, that simply is not true. Let me offer some "facts" for you and Mr. Temporal Recon, so he doesn't get all carried away over that again.

 

Noze,

There is more to the Titor story than meets the eye, Noze. Darby is not exactly being forthright with his statements. I would recommend taking his statements with a large grain of salt.

 

Temporal Recon, Aug 5, 2012

3 Faxes Sent to Art Bell?? | Time Travel Institute

 

While I do not normally seek out using forums to promote Conviction of a Time Travler, since Mr. RMT has been so kind as to invite it, I feel free to provide the links.

["RainmanTime said: ↑

 

And of course, you stay in your world of generalities and provide precisely ZERO specifics to back up your claim. Well done. Next thing you know, you will offer up a link to google and say "it's all in here, read it and do some research."

 

If you are going to call out Darby, you had better offer some specifics that can be falsified, otherwise we brand you "hit and run".

 

RMT"]

You may notice, all Rainman Time mentioned was {"Next thing you know, you will offer up a link to google and say "it's all in here, read it and do some research." } and Mr. Recon took right off promoting his book.

 

As requested:

Conviction of a Time Traveler (for a signed copy)

 

or alternatively, the book may be found on

 

Amazon.com

 

Mr. RMT, my evidence (in COATT) has been available for about 2 years now to anyone in search of the actual truth. While I don't expect you to avail yourself to all the information (both pro and con) that is now available (information that did not exist yet when Darby/you made your pronouncements of "HOAX!" without all the facts), there are others who are in search of the unvarnished truth. It is for them that the book with its reams of evidence was written.

 

And, to answer your claim that I "remain in generalities," I am exceedingly specific in the evidence that I provide in COATT. Truth be told, the book had to be cut DOWN to ~300 pages.

 

Mr. Noze,

 

I commend you on your research and critical thinking thus far. I was especially encouraged by your analysis of the facts/fax suggesting the existence of a third (as yet, undisclosed) communication from (whom we suspect was) Titor. I was also very encouraged to see that you were already aware that Fax2 had been modified when you made your initial post.

 

Don't you find it interesting that Mr. Darby did not mention his knowledge of the modification until AFTER YOU

 

mentioned it yourself in a follow-up post?

 

Do you still think Darby will be completely honest with you in your search for the "actual" truth?

 

I'm sure Mr. Darby may attempt to explain it away by claiming that "it wasn't important enough to mention," or some such backtracking. I would merely submit that the length of his post belies his false claim of disinterest. As you have likely already noticed in your research, Darby and others like him (Mr. RMT for example) are not interested in you finding the actual truth. He will withhold information from you, as you can plainly now see.

 

I'm sure Dirk would agree.

 

Mr. Noze, there is more to the faxes than meets the eye. Keep digging, there is more there to find.

 

Temporal Recon

 

Temporal Recon, Aug 5, 2012

3 Faxes Sent to Art Bell?? | Time Travel Institute

 

To which Rainman Time responded,

 

Ah, so it looks like we have a book salesman here! Alrighty, then.

....

 

Ah OK, so let me correct my earlier statement: You didn't offer a vague google link, you offered a link to Amazon and direct us to go buy your book. I guess that is not as lazy as the google link, but chock full of other self-interested motivations.

3 Faxes Sent to Art Bell?? | Time Travel Institute

 

So, as these "facts" demonstrate, it was Mr. Recon that "first" mentioned his book. Not Rainman Time nor Darby.

 

For those who may be reading this thread and who are interested in John Titor, do yourself a big favor and buy the darn book. Try to put your pride and personal feelings about the author aside for a moment and read it. When you are done, you will know as much (or more) about John Titor than most people on this website (or anywhere else for that matter).

The author has done extensive and thorough research unlike anything else that has been published or posted. And for that reason, I believe he is entitled to a few cents in royalties for his work. So if you do not have the time (or are too lazy) to conduct this level of research yourself, consider yourself lucky that someone else has done the work for you.

That's quite a promo for Mr. Recon's book.

 

Actually, Mr. Recon could not have possibly done any more extensive or through research than re-publish JT's posts and ADD HIS SPECULATIVE OPINIONS ABOUT THE POSTS. PERIOD! I am not at all surprised that anyone writing such claptrap would want to remain anonymous. Had he published the book as fiction, where it belongs, he would have some credibility. As it is, he has none.

 

This thread started out about the over priced Titor book on amazon, not Mr. Recon's book, but again Mr. Recon can not pass up a chance to promote it some more, with your help of course. And we can't forget Mr. Recon's signature,

 

"Read the evidence at: Conviction of a Time Traveler". There's no promotion in that either, right?

 

Mr. Temporal Recon just likes to argue and promote his book as the only facts available concerning JT. When someone, like Darby, says anything that challenges the validity of the JT story, and thereby "his" book and should "his" book is discredited, "his" continued involvement in the possible future, though highly unlikely (IMO), movie.

 

John Titor: About

 

To be directed by the esteemed Joe Eckardt. (Yes, that's sarcasm, Sheldon.)

 

This site sure looks and sounds like Mr. Recon and "his" book is prominently displayed.

 

So, NozeItAll, Mr. Recon has ulterior motives for his attack against Darby. Discredit the "real expert" and "his expertise" appears more creditable.

 

Mr. Recon, I expect your typical pretentious response but, I may not play along with you. I have seen you argue insignificant minutiae before and read some of it. From what I saw, you had your ass handed to you,( I know, now you're gonna want to argue that) and I don't like to pile on.

 

Besides, daver doesn't like to be bored.

 

:D

 

 

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Everyone,

 

I have a feeling that the topic of this thread appears to be spiraling a bit out of control, so at the risk of allowing this thread to devolve into an argument about Temporal Recon's true intentions, allow me to set everyone straight:

 

According to the information I have discovered, over and above the original posts, time travel is real and happening now. I have compiled the Titor - specific information (as I knew and understood it at the time) in such a manner to be available to anyone curious enough to avail themselves to it. There is simply too much information to go into it in a website discussion forum; a book was needed. You can read it, or not. It is ultimately your choice to make. As we all must discover, life is a series of choices. Here is one now.

 

Contrary to popular belief, there is a great deal of room to move beyond the original Titor posts that many appear to get hung up on; many believe that those self-same posts are both the beginning and end of the time travel question. This is grossly incorrect. Making silly tail-chasing statements such as "TR just wants to make a sale" does not further our understanding of the larger question, it only serves to waste people's time. To reiterate: Buy my little book project, don't buy my little book project. The choice is yours and your alone.

 

Which brings me to another subject: As to the assumption that my intent in discussing the time travel question in general or Titor specifically is to merely sell my little book, this is also not true. While I can appreciate people's skepticism of someone with a widget to sell, I say now that my widget is not a financially-inspired endeavor. It was a surprise to me at what I discovered, purely by chance and curiosity. I merely wrote down what I found.

 

I take great pleasure in discussing both the basic tenets of the question as well as the more advanced and esoteric topics of time travel that many leave unexamined. Accusing me and others of something as base as wonton huckstering to sell "one more book" is a bit naked in its shallowness and attempts to strip me of my very real interest in this topic. I will not allow this to happen. Similarly, I will also not allow statements without substance or support by others to go unchallenged. If we are to have an intelligent and intellectually honest discussion about this topic, speculation must be identified as such.

 

Attempting to derail the intent of my original post, to expose an individual's unqualified statements of knowledgeability of book sales (as innocuous as that may appear on its face) which he has no knowledge of, thus implying expertise and attempting to support a false position of authority, is beneath this forum. I expect larger questions to be asked; a higher level of discussion. I supplied a short list of questions to Mr. Rainman a few posts back. Perhaps we all should start there?

 

As ever and Always

 

Temporal Recon

 

 

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But to back up Pamela's truth test (The Song) he came up with one of his own. He opened a website (which is still there) and applied for a USPTO copyright on the material. Why copyright it? Not a clue. And don't care to waste any time trying to find out. ;)

Darb, what is the website address please? Thank you in advance. 2012.12.17.22.19

 

 

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Back in 2003 Karl was one of the people that Pamela introduced to me by inviting me to a chatroom with him. She was absolutely sure that Karl was the person behind John Titor and she wanted me to help her "catch him". So, I went along with the gag and when Pamela "published" her findings abd found that she was incorrect she decided to defend Karl and say that it was all my idea; she never believed he was Titor. She did it again a year or so later with another case of "This is the guy - I'm sure of it." Wrong again. And again she pointed at me and said it was all my idea.

Anyone wonder why I don't trust Ms. "Moore"?

 

But to back up Pamela's truth test (The Song) he came up with one of his own. He opened a website (which is still there) and applied for a USPTO copyright on the material. Why copyright it? Not a clue. And don't care to waste any time trying to find out. ;)

Servantx,

 

To continue about Karl:

 

I made the following posts on the "I am from 2036" thread here on TTI

 

Posted by Darby on 03-17-2001 11:21 PM

John was born sometime between 1954 and 1956. He attended a west coast university, UC Davis, UC Berkeley or Stanford. He has an IQ of about 120 but was never a physical science major. His major was either cultural anthropology or general sociology. He may have dropped out in his senior year but his expected year of graduation was between 1975 and 1977. He took, as an elective, cosmology, introduction to astronomy or both. He did not take any upper division physical science. Neither of his parents graduated from a university but managed to provide a very stable life for him.

His understanding of physics is based on 1970's emerging physics but he didn't keep abreast of the advances in the field until about six months ago. His new knowledge since that time is based on cursory internet searches so that he can respond to inquiries. He is very intelligent and a deceptively good debater even though his knowledge of physics is limited and a quarter of a century out-of-date.

 

Posted by Darby on 03-18-2001 07:37 AM

 

John has held several jobs during the past 25 years, but hasn't held any one for more than about 8 years. He interviews well and has no problem getting hired. He annoys his co-workers and especially his supervisor. He's a 60's Northern California child and has a problem with authority. He works best when he works alone. He's taught before, probably at the Community College level (Palomar Commuity College?) and maybe even at the State College level (SF State?). He still lives in the Bay area.

Why did Pamela think that he might be Titor?

 

I got some of it correct about Titor. It was a miss on the parents' education and his possibly dropping out of college his senior year (Frankly, I threw that out to get a response from him because he only gave in answering posts either nonsense rhetoric, his own thoughts that had nothing to do with the post or answered a question with a question of his own. Gettting someone angry has its perks when you want information.). I also got it wrong about his school. But...

 

Karl is the correct age. He received his PhD from UC Davis. He also attended university in Florida and Louisiana (Tulane, where Frank Tipler is a professor). He was also an instructor at UC Davis while doing his PhD. Relative to Boomer (the author of the Titor/TTO posts) I later said a lot of his rhetoric was not liberal but a Libertarian. Karl and his entire family are very active in the Libertarian Party at both the local and national level. Active as in running for state and federal offices and being active in the state and national party HQ's. Relative to Karl I got it wrong about physical science. His major was squarely involved with particle physics (but I still assume that I got it right relative to Boomer - his knowledge of physics was nothing more than Internet and pop-sci). Relative to Karl, his CV clearly indicates that he did not hold a steady job very long but he did hold jobs that required a very talented, highly educated and intelligent person. You can see from his political posts that he wears his politics on his sleeve and that could be a cause for a grating personality on co-workers. Ultimately he became self-employed. And Tulane University, home of Frank Tipler - that really got her going. Titor talked about the "obscure" Professor Tipler. OMG!

 

Pamela was angry over the above posts. Fit to be tied might be a better description. However she didn't forget the profile. So, how did she conclude that Karl might be Titor? The above posts. She got to know Karl and discovered that a lot of the profile fit him to a T. She was wrong, of course but she did make several posts about her opinion. I apologized to Karl and she hid behind the apology, publicly blamed me for the whole idea, never took any credit for herself as the person who initiated and orchestrated the entire episode, and remained a loyal friend to him. Go figure.

 

Anyway, his CV is still online at Curriculum Vitae

 

 

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So Karl was just someone that Pam believed was John Titor.One need look no further than the copyright holder of the John Titor name. Always follow the money.

In this case that's not quite so simple. The copyright holder is the John Titor Foundation, LLC, Florida, filed in 2003. The John Titor Foundation lists no actual pratners. Larry Haber is listed as the general manager and attorney for the LLC. It doesn't list him as a partner, however. We presume that he is a partner, along with other family members, but there is no actual solid evidence to support the presumption.

 

 

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