# I do not time travel, more than a 100 years -but informations does !

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Jcpo,

Orwellian logic is oxymoronic.

Everything isn’t its opposite.

Equivocal is evil.

It is meant to confuse.

Reject the lie.

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One could just as easily (i.e. with zero foundation or proof) state that SSS is numerically equal to 777... or 123,456,789.

*ALL* definitions are based upon relationships. There are no absolutes with respect to equating numbers to letters, other than the fact that there are no absolutes.

RMT

The people who created our writing were aware of that and included the old science to the way we do, without showing to the one which is not knowing. Occult.

Why do I think it's true without any proof ?

Because there is at start, the Serpent. And the serpent by making Adam eat the apple, made the Human as he is.

I will not tell back how the serpent is frequent in our modern illustration as in old/religious.

Serpent represent the wave. The wave is what links us to Sun ;)

You know Roman used I V X D C M as numbers.

To me here is the most logic number to letter equivalent :

A - 1 - Z

B - 2 - Y

C- 3 - X

D - 4 - W

E - 5 - V

F - 6 - U

G - 7 - T

H - 6 - S

I - 5 - R

J - 4 - Q

K - 3 - P

L - 2 - O

M - 1 - N

Based on the hand of men. (Need to find the video...)

Also when you count on your hands, 6 is the first of second one.

We divide years, days, hours, minutes, seconds by six ratio.

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And 6 is also a number that appears... after you have initially counted to 6... every 10 increases until you have increased by 10... 6 times... when it appears doubly as 66. Then it appears again every 10 increases singularly and every 100 increases it appears doubly and singularly until it appears triply as 666... and then I think... this is when the serpent appears and does something... I don't know what it does... but it does do something... and as a result of the Romans... letters can be used as numbers and vise-versa, numbers can be letters and... you can make up any BS you choose to support your premise because if someone challenges your assumptions... you can just say some more BS and... as we all know BS is unlimited... you can carry this out for infinity and most people will get tired of challenging your BS way before that... and you will win the argument.

(the use of the word "you" is meant in the context of "people in general". I would not wish this to be construed as an ad hominem attack on anyone in particular. More correctly, it's sarcasm.)

Jcpo;

I have no idea what it is you are trying to get at here but, you have moved from the life giving properties of the pyramids and the sarcophagus to, whatever the above gibberish is supposed to mean.

Perhaps you might try to explain where we have gone in this conversation.

BTW:

The serpent beguiled Eve to eat the apple and then she beguiled Adam.

How is the number-to-letter sequence you offered the most logical?

When I count on my hands I consider it counting in a base of 5... not 6.

Seconds and minutes are based "loosely" on 6 but hours ,days, and years are not.

Again, I have no idea how you come to the conclusions that you do. The last few posts you have offered have been non sequitur within and without. I am not attacking you, regardless what you or some others might feel. I have been and am trying to follow what you are implying. That I offer contrary opinions is not an attack. That I may at times be sarcastic, is an attempt to force you to look at, what it is that you are saying, and evaluate whether, it is what you intended, considering that there is an obvious language barrier. If my methods seem harsh, I am simply epitomizing my instructors. Before political correctness destroyed the educational system, instructors were not afraid to "damage one's little psyche" by telling you, you were wrong.

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Thanks :)

I try to go where I always wanted, as I said in the first post, time-travelling to me is linked to life, god, and science. The only answers we got are in old beliefs.

I was trying to show Syz, how we can reject misunderstood things as 666 or Lucifer.

This is important to know because it hides so many.

The symbols of occult science have always been turned to evil. But you know, Devil is lived backwards.

If we created Satan it's because the 'divine government' could not assume bad things related to god so they said, no it's not us, it's Satan trying to dismiss you.

If there has been polytheism or 'duality monotheism' it is a division of qualities to let the Mens understand.

It is hard to see that in the dark comes the light. There's nothing good without bad.

Every things are linked to other, scientist are group of atoms studying themselves, damnit !

Don't you see the matrix ? Pi-phi, energy, matter, geometry, equilibrium, dynamic, logic, in life ?

It's not witchery it's divine.

That was my goal today. Show straight how we can dogmatize.

Good noon ;)

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Jcpo,

You look so hard for what is hidden

that you fail to recognize the obvious:

doublespeak is merely double-talk

in that it is meant to be deceptive.

Because the Prince of Darkness

is synonymous with deception,

I ask you to abandon him

If not, I cannot affiliate with one

whom would likewise deceive others

for the purpose of leading them astray.

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To me god and lucifer are the same.

You have to know how bad you sleep on floor to appreciate your bed ;)

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I do not believe in Abraxis,

yours nor any other god both good and evil.

The combination is mortally lame.

Lame as your idea of collective consciousness.

Collectivists favor brainwashed zombies

versus mankind’s comprising individuals

and individuals' singularly comprising humanity,

which is not limited to humanists

who feign authority to treat mankind

as a malignant organism, collectivism,

begging communism--

rule by a patronizing few of self-privilege.

Be their peon,

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Sorry, You misunderstood I think. God to me exist today in every things, in logic itself, energy... I do not mean gods want bad things, I mean some created 'bad gods' to put the things they did not accept but interesting.

Lets try to backpath on philosophy ; we know that there is a origin. Universe is expanding.

So big bang is explained by this Tao traditional poems :

0 - The Tao is a vacuum, but the vacuum is inexhaustible. It is a dizzying abyss. Unfathomable. From it came out all those who live. Eternally, it blunts what is acute, unravels the thread of existence, brings out the light. From nothing, creates everything. Its purity is unspeakable. It has no beginning. It is. No one has spawned. He was there when was born the master of the sky.

1 - Virtue comes from the great Tao. The Tao is vague, imperceptible, elusive! Oh, it is vague, imperceptible, elusive! Yet within it is the truth. Oh, it is elusive, invisible! Yet within it is the shape of things. It is so dark, so dark! Yet in him is the true essence of being. This essence is the radiant truth and the truth hidden. Since the dawn of ages his name was passed on to us and to all beings are born. How can we know the ways of creation? By him. By Tao.

2 - The spirit of Darkness is immemorial, eternal. This is the feminine principle of origins. The roots of heaven and earth soar from its mysterious door. Always renewed, it spreads in the universe. Indefinitely. He never runs out.

3 - My eyes widened, and I do not see it: it is called the Invisible. My hearing is on alert, and I do not hear his name is the Inaudible. My hands reach out and meet nothing: it is called the impalpable. Undefined three aspects that make the unit. At the top there is no light at the bottom it is not obscure. His eternity itself defies time. It has no name. He comes from a world where there is nothing sensible. Because light called darkness and darkness is the light. The Tao is a formless form, an image without picture. It is determined. If you walk in front of him, there is no reason in principle. If you go behind him, it seems endless. Following the ancient way, this is control. Because the Tao is the thread that guides man through time.

4 - So vast is the Tao. Huge heaven and earth. Huge is being. > Four expanses in the universe, whose being. The man marries the rhythm of the earth, the earth is consistent with the sky, the sky is in harmony with the Tao. The Tao is the law, the way of nature. And the path remains eternal.

5 - The five colors blind man. The five notes deafen his ears. The five flavors make it insensitive mouth. Racing and hunting his mind wander. Wealth prevent progress. Thus the Sage turns his gaze itself and away from the hustle and passions, freely exercised his choice.

6 -> If heaven and earth produce nothing eternal, how man could he? > Those who follow the law grants the Tao. His will and principles are those of the Tao. With him it is with him and he abstains. The Sage of absolute love finds fulfillment. Following the path there are the track. By adhering to virtue under one becomes. But if we think of crime shame crime is collected. This is why the action, inaction or reflect the invisible harmony of faith is complete, or it is not.

7 - Heaven and earth are eternal. They have no life of their own. That's why they are eternal. Thus, the first place goes to Sage who was able to erase. Forgetting his person, it is necessary in the world. Without desires for himself, that he undertakes is perfect. He was sitting in last place. This is why it is found in the first.

8 - The perfection is like water. Like her, it delivers its benefits to the ten thousand things and ignores the struggles. Like her, she turns and avoid obstacles, down to the valley and is where men can not live. This is why it is close to Tao. In all in all, the perfect control humility. It asks the heart to be as deep as a well. In dealing with others it calls for great patience. Speech, she expects the truth. When you have to govern, it requires loyalty and order. When to act it requires skill. It operates in a timely and never fight. Thus, it can not get lost.

9 - The Sage has no conscience, it is the consciousness of the universe. He is good with the right, but also good with that which is not, as the greatest virtue is kindness. He is loyal to the faithful also loyal to the one who is not, as the greatest virtue is loyalty. The Sage is humble and modest in the eyes of many. It seems helpless. But the people holding their breath and is attentive to this like a man child. For his heart can contain the world.

It goes to 21. If you want more ask.

To finish I think you are nervous, but I never asked for standardization and mass communication, I'm asking harmony. That is the difference between today and tomorrow :) Live love for life.

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you can make up any BS you choose to support your premise because if someone challenges your assumptions... you can just say some more BS and... as we all know BS is unlimited... you can carry this out for infinity and most people will get tired of challenging your BS way before that...

Look, Jcpo, I don't know what you are getting at with your reply to me. It appears to be to be all over the map. And if you are going to tell me that I am being lazy and not looking deeply (typical response from mystically minded folks), then I am just going to point out that you are attempting to communicate in my native language, but it is not yours. In other words, you are not being at all effective in your attempts to persuade me that there is any scientific basis to any of your ramblings. And I think that is where Gpa is at as well. For example:

To me here is the most logic number to letter equivalent :A - 1 - Z

B - 2 - Y

C- 3 - X

D - 4 - W

E - 5 - V

F - 6 - U

G - 7 - T

H - 6 - S

I - 5 - R

J - 4 - Q

K - 3 - P

L - 2 - O

M - 1 - N

Based on the hand of men.

I have no clue what sort of logic is involved in that, but I do not see it. Nor do I see how counting up to seven and then back down to one is "based on the hand of men." In the world I live in, men and women typically have five fingers, not seven. More problems I see with your "logic" above is that there is zero uniqueness in the mapping. IN other words, the number 1 can mean either A, or Z, or M, or N. So how do you decide which letter applies to 1 when it shows up in a numerical cipher? Answer: It must be arbitrary unless you can show a mathematical formula which removes the 4-way ambiguity with respect to 1...and the other digits that can be assigned to four letters.

It is all just a bunch of cooked-up baloney, as far as I can say. And believe me, I have studied some of the esoteric material quite a bit. In fact, I apply certain aspects of the Qabalistic Tree Of Life in my work developing AI algorithms for UAVs. But it is only a small part of that knowledge, none of the mystical mumbo jumbo, and I apply it with a great deal of mathematical rigor. Sorry, but I just do not see any scientific rigor in what you present. As I said above, it is all over the map.

RMT

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A-Z, alpha and omega

M (aime in french meaning love)

N (haine in french meaning hate)

C X P K reffering to the cross the king the crown the prince.

G and T are very often used letters.

and look for FHSU in old imagery for example on shields.

There are other codes of course and we can not take this as a truly truth.

But it is very interesting as there are 26 letters, 2x13, 2x6, 2x7 (equal theosophical to 8)

as 7 is a sign of virtue.

Kabalisticly we can see LMNO = 1320 ? Strange to find numbers reversed in the center of the alphabet....

You do not need to be sure you just need to take interest and to see if it's bring conclusion.

I'm looking for the explanation of the 1 to 7 alphabet division.

But here is some to wait ; Ultraconserved words point to deep language ancestry across Eurasia

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Jcpo;

In an effort to better understand you, I re-read this entire forum before I posted yesterday. In the normal flow of conversations, they often address many different subjects. In my post yesterday, I hopped to find out where we were in this one and how or, better yet, why we were here. The answer was more gibberish.

There is no logic in the cryptographic examples you offer. I suppose, having been born and raised in France, these things have some meaning for you but, without that background, they hold none for me.

If you are making a religious connection based on your own belief system, please state that. That would, of course, change the nature of the conversation.

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Gpa,

Propagandists are no more confined to France

than math is peculiar to the pyramids

or limited to Qabalistic anything--

RMT, is that a pun on ballistic?

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A-Z, alpha and omegaM (aime in french meaning love)

N (haine in french meaning hate)

C X P K reffering to the cross the king the crown the prince.

G and T are very often used letters.

[snip for silliness control]

The letter "Z" is not omega. Omega is "O", literally "Big Oh" (O mega). It does mean "end". Because for some reason you had to resort to Greek, Zeta "Z" isn't even the last letter in that alphabet. It is the 5th letter of the Greek alphabet. So mixing two distinctly different alphabets from two distinctly different languages without knowing much about them is pretty meaningless.

At least alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet. It doesn't mean "first" or "the beginning". It comes from the Pheonecian word aleph, Ox (the animal). Hebrew retained the word aleph for the first letter.

So your "A-Z, alpha and omega" must mean, not "The beginning and the end", but "The Big O...Ox" which just might be a joke on the Internet pseudo-mystic Kabalists.

Try it in the Spanish alphabet. That alphabet has 27 letters. And it's only been recently shortened from 29 letters because programs like MS Office don't properly alphabetize words that begin with elle (Ll) and che (ch), both of which are considered seperate letters. Then you have the problem with B and V which are considered to be the same letter, are pronounced identically and depending on the region and dialect are interchangeable. Last, the letter "W" doesn't exist in any Spanish words. It's only there to accommodate spelling non-Spanish language words. Find some mystical meaning in that with your system.

G and T are very often used letters. They are? In what language? While "T" is the second most used letter in English, "G" is the 18th most used, i.e. not very often used at all.

To make it "work: you had to mix in three languages, English, French and Greek, in an arbitrary fashion. What you have is a trivial form of numerology.

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Thanks everyone for giving interest and opinions, I will give you answers when I'll be able to put conclusions on my investigations, it's too early to go deep in languages, numbers, names, and maths...

Here is a book by M. K. Van Rensselaer from 1912 about playing cards and their prophetical origins :

also you can find some good infos about alphabets, numbers, gematria, ...

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The goal is Maïeutic by understanding hermeneutic, theurgy, alchemy, astrology... The Occult (O reffers to the sun, C to the moon ;) ) part of science or knowledge is Hermetic (Hermès Trismegiste) and may we are in a forum about Chronos that make sense with the title of this topic, Philosopher's Stone, or the ability to live a millenary, your goal is hidden but has been reach ;) ...

Fulcaneli, Newton, Flamel...