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My opinion is we are all Gods in mortal form. I have been outside my body in a successful astral projection attempt. Consciousness outside my body is possible. The idea of an immortal soul is not that hard to accept, once astral projection has been achieved.Think about how boring it would be to be a God. All seeing, and all knowing, forever. So the concept and creation of mortality may just be an entertaining pastime and escape from being a God. The purpose of life: Time off from being a God.

What you call astral projection isn't actually consciousness outside one's body. The mind needs the brain to work. It doesn't work like that. You're basically just imagining you're outside your body.

 

I'll tell you what, next time you astral travel, right before you do it, ask someone to go to another room and write a few words on a piece of paper and leave it on the table. If you can then travel to that room and read the words and reproduce them when you wake up, then, man, you had just proved wrong everything we knew on the human brain.

 

 

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NicolasIf you are choosing to believe a preferred belief, then no amount of fact finding will convince you. So rather than believe what you are told, go find out for yourself.

Oh no, it's quite the opposite. I'm not choosing a belief, but observing a fact. It is a fact that everything you feel, see, hear, touch goes through your brain. There's nothing pointing towards a conscience functioning away from a brain. That would go against all natural laws known to men up to today!

 

Not only that, but yes, one small evidence on the contrary would change my mind, absolutely. Not only mine but the whole scientific community. That's actually how science works. It follows the path of evidences. No matter what it is, and no matter how it contradicts what we already know. If evidence shows we were wrong, we change our minds. That's the opposite of belief.

 

I wasn't being sarcastic when I proposed that little experiment. If you're so certain you can have your mind working away from your brain, it would be that easy to prove it and change everything we know about the brain and, heck, everything else.

 

 

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When you believe fully in science, you cant seem to understand that there is a God but if you relate science to it then we can see that there is a God out there who created lots of mysteries on this outside world. There are lot of things that science cant explain and only God can. Not all science things are exact, its always good to keep an open mind

 

 

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When you believe fully in science, you cant seem to understand that there is a God but if you relate science to it then we can see that there is a God out there who created lots of mysteries on this outside world. There are lot of things that science cant explain and only God can. Not all science things are exact, its always good to keep an open mind

If you believe in science, you're confused either about how science or beliefs work.

 

One does not "believe" in science. One understands it. Science is not an entity, it's a method. We, humans, use science to explain what we don't know yet. There used to be a LOT of things that we couldn't explain a few centuries ago, that only the current god available at the time was able to explain. Now we know how those things work. Through science. Through understanding, not believing.

 

 

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For those who have a hard time believing there is a God, let me ask you something have you ever been near death, yet survived the situation? The reason I ask is it seems that those who have been near death seem to know at that point that there is a much higher power at work in the universe. I know someone who came close the dying back in 1997 and they told me that they felt a peace sweep over them the likes of which they had never known before. They just knew at that point that there was more then the world we were living in.I also witnessed it in my own parents, both when their lives were coming to an end seem to have made peace and weren't afraid of what was coming. I also have a close friend whose father spent his whole life not believing in God, but becamse terminal toward the end of his life, he stunned her when he asked her to get him a priest because he wanted to be blessed before dying because he now knew God was waiting for him. I don't know what God truly is, but I do know that God does exist and is a higher force at work for the good of all living creatures.

Your comments reminds me of one of these stories from this video I came across:

 

 

 

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If you believe in science, you're confused either about how science or beliefs work.One does not "believe" in science. One understands it. Science is not an entity, it's a method. We, humans, use science to explain what we don't know yet. There used to be a LOT of things that we couldn't explain a few centuries ago, that only the current god available at the time was able to explain. Now we know how those things work. Through science. Through understanding, not believing.

Exactly but there are still LOTS of mysteries unsolved. There are lots of things science cant explain until now. I do believe there is Someone out there who created us limiting our knowledge about all the creations, because if we know .. we might overlap the power of that creator :D

 

 

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Exactly but there are still LOTS of mysteries unsolved. There are lots of things science cant explain until now. I do believe there is Someone out there who created us limiting our knowledge about all the creations, because if we know .. we might overlap the power of that creator :D

Indeed, there are a lot of things we still don't know. How is that evidence for a god, though?

 

 

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Your reply has to be one of the most intriguing I've read on this forum, lol. Care to elaborate?

lol, by any means I wanted to sound effensive. All I meant by that is that this guy's arguments are so bad, that they caused me a physical harm. I had to stop watching after he said that he has to believe in a god just because the Egyptians believed very strongly.

The "this post gave me cancer" is a recurring anecdote on the interwebs.

 

This link tries to explain its origins.

 

 

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lol, by any means I wanted to sound effensive. All I meant by that is that this guy's arguments are so bad, that they caused me a physical harm. I had to stop watching after he said that he has to believe in a god just because the Egyptians believed very strongly.The "this post gave me cancer" is a recurring anecdote on the interwebs.

 

This link tries to explain its origins.

Oh I see. I'd never heard of that expression before. I'm gonna have to remember to use that expression, when necessary, lol.

 

The only reason I posted the video is because one of the 3 personal stories the guy recounts, reminded me of what pafjlh had posted (about people being close to death).

 

 

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As an addendum to RainmanTimes' post : The God? Thread covered more than just questioning the existence of God. The thread also presents as a premise that ancient writings contain hidden messages / knowledge and that there can be an evolution of theological - occult ideology into practical scientific foundations.

 

 

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Indeed, there are a lot of things we still don't know. How is that evidence for a god, though?

Simple, if it cant be explain beyond human comprehension then there is Someone out there beyond having a brighter and perfect thinking who understands it - a God ..

 

 

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Simple, if it cant be explain beyond human comprehension then there is Someone out there beyond having a brighter and perfect thinking who understands it - a God ..

Well that's just lazy.

Let me illustrate:

 

Once upon a time, men didn't know what lightning was. They then came to the same conclusion as you: "It HAS to be a god. I can't be anything else! How is it possible that we, simple humans will ever understand how those loud things work!" Like you said, it was beyond human comprehension at that time.

 

Now we know how that works. Not only electricity but we can cure and prevent diseases that a while ago were also seen as the will of god. We can fly around in iron cylinders. We can split atoms!

 

We, the civilized part of the planet, already know that it isn't prudent to affirm such a thing as "we don't know how X works, it must be a god behind it".

 

You see, in the other part of this planet, where people are still living a few ages behind us, they still claim some natural phenomena to be the will of their particular god, when we already know how they work.

 

What I'm trying to say is: Not knowing how something works, doesn't prove a god exists. It only proves we don't know how that thing works. Yet.

 

 

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This is a super gray area I'd rather not touch on. I have my own faith and others can have theirs. So long as we don't impose our belief or non-belief on others, I think it's pointless to debate about the existence of God. People will always have clashing views. The reason why I believe in Him is that I have felt His presence many times in my life. Even if my knowledge about science and philosophy tries to contradict me all the time, I choose to believe in Him simply because doing so has made me a better and happier person.

 

 

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This is a super gray area I'd rather not touch on. I have my own faith and others can have theirs. So long as we don't impose our belief or non-belief on others, I think it's pointless to debate about the existence of God. People will always have clashing views. The reason why I believe in Him is that I have felt His presence many times in my life. Even if my knowledge about science and philosophy tries to contradict me all the time, I choose to believe in Him simply because doing so has made me a better and happier person.

Can I ask why you refer to God as him? Is it a figure of speech, or do you believe that God really is a male?

 

 

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This is a super gray area I'd rather not touch on. I have my own faith and others can have theirs. So long as we don't impose our belief or non-belief on others, I think it's pointless to debate about the existence of God. People will always have clashing views. The reason why I believe in Him is that I have felt His presence many times in my life. Even if my knowledge about science and philosophy tries to contradict me all the time, I choose to believe in Him simply because doing so has made me a better and happier person.

Well, but you just did [touch on it].

And that's fine! As long as it continues impersonal and peaceful, I don't see why not keep on talking about it in an online thread called God: real or not? ;)

 

 

To me, the debate around a god's existence is of utter importance. Such a debate, a few years back, brought me to rethink most of my life. I now live a happier, healthier and more meaningful life. No idea is sacred enough that it can't be debated.

 

And, since you gave me a reason for your belief in the deity of your choosing, I'm compelled to comment. Please note that this is not a personal attack. I don't know you and only wish to address the idea you proposed:

 

Feeling something exists isn't evidence that it actually exists. Feeling something only proves you have a brain that is able to make you feel that way. A feeling doesn't exist outside one's brain. Schizophrenia, magic tricks, optical illusions, exposure to 18 to 19 Hz infrasound, absence blindness, even infatuation, all are practical examples that the human brain isn't reliable in telling us what is true. Not by itself.

 

But I get it. If that's enough for you, than it is. If it makes you happy, praise the shit out of that god of yours. Just know that it's ok to be mistaken sometimes. There's a reason why all your science and philosophy knowledge contradicts you. Although our brains are highly evolved organs, they still make mistakes.

 

 

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Let me illustrate:

Once upon a time, men didn't know what lightning was. They then came to the same conclusion as you: "It HAS to be a god. I can't be anything else! How is it possible that we, simple humans will ever understand how those loud things work!" Like you said, it was beyond human comprehension at that time.

Care to share which civilization worshiped lightening as a god?

 

 

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Care to share which civilization worshiped lightening as a god?

Oh no, I didn't mean that.:oops: What I meant was "It has to be a god (responsible for that)" or "It has to be a god (that did that).

But anyhow, natural phenomena were, or in some cases are, venerated as a deity. The sun and its rise and set are a very common worshiped deity across all the continents. But I bet you knew that already.:D

 

 

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