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TT- I am sure MIT and NASA etc...have a team of egg heads working in a room 20 stories below grade working on time travel as we speak. I just do not know the basis of their experimentation. From what I have read in order to time travel you need so reach 186,000 per second or find a worm hole and successfully enter. We do not even know if black holes or worm holes even exist. Reaching the speed of light, in 2013 is so beyond our technology. The space shuttle, I think reached 25,000 per hour in space. That is comparing an ant hill to Mt. Everest.

 

 

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Greetings, Rommell. I thought about saying “hi” to you

 

in your introductory thread before my being notified of

 

your reply herein. What I digested from the threads:

 

I found a home. I am a huge fan of time travel -

 

Rommell,

 

“I would give my left nut to time travel back in time.”

 

Should Rommell ever have a time machine,

 

Time Tunnel suggests he “[o]pensource” it

 

so that he and his family can’t be quietly killed.

 

Rommell doesn’t think that’s such a good idea.

 

Time Tunnel continues to negotiate,

 

“It would need to be regulated

 

so that you would not have the population problem.”

 

The Ethics of Time Travel -

 

Rommell,

 

“I believe in time travel. I would be a test subject in a heartbeat.

 

I would welcome alien life taking me back in time.”

 

Time Tunnel,

 

“I believe we can do it.”

 

Time Tunnel, :eek: an alien?--

 

after o_O family jewels?--

 

or, mainly :mad: bent upon limiting the human population?

 

 

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TT- I am sure MIT and NASA etc...have a team of egg heads working in a room 20 stories below grade working on time travel as we speak. I just do not know the basis of their experimentation. From what I have read in order to time travel you need so reach 186,000 per second or find a worm hole and successfully enter. We do not even know if black holes or worm holes even exist. Reaching the speed of light, in 2013 is so beyond our technology. The space shuttle, I think reached 25,000 per hour in space. That is comparing an ant hill to Mt. Everest.

We can use the time dialation effects that you get when you excellerate to build a time machine.Einstein said that as you approach the speed of light the more time passses. You need to align and high speeds and low speeds to do this.And i know how.After the object stops excellerating it will stay in the time it is at.

 

 

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TT: My plans, very simple. Live my life over again from age 15 to present. Live it knowing everything I know today. Bring with me my patented inventions. Obtain new patents from what I know today and bring them to the 1970's. Earn millions and use the money to start a foundation I have always wanted to begin. I earn a good living now but can not bring the amount of funds needed to start this foundation. Wishful thinking.

 

 

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TT: My plans, very simple. Live my life over again from age 15 to present. Live it knowing everything I know today. Bring with me my patented inventions. Obtain new patents from what I know today and bring them to the 1970's. Earn millions and use the money to start a foundation I have always wanted to begin. I earn a good living now but can not bring the amount of funds needed to start this foundation. Wishful thinking.

Living your life over again would be great but timetravel depicted in the movies was never like that.That is a new idea.I think.With the alignment of low speeds and high speeds you could be both in the future and the past.I made a working model of it in the blender game engine and it worked.So i could align 5.5 mph with 550 mph.Here is some time dialation numbers i found on thr internet.

 

.000,000,01 seconds 550 mph.

 

.000,000,001 seconds at 55 mph.

 

.0,000,000,001 seconds at 5.5 mph

 

 

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TT: My plans, very simple. Live my life over again from age 15 to present. Live it knowing everything I know today. Bring with me my patented inventions. Obtain new patents from what I know today and bring them to the 1970's. Earn millions and use the money to start a foundation I have always wanted to begin. I earn a good living now but can not bring the amount of funds needed to start this foundation. Wishful thinking.

The problem here is that you have to follow both the logic and implications of what you propose. You want to go in to the past with your knowledge and "invent" something presumably prior to what we non time travelers believe to be the date of its invention according to our recorded history. So what happens when yet another time traveler goes even farther into the past and "invents" it? Every speculator/time traveler would be hop-scotching farther and farther into the past to try to invent the gadget before the other guy invents it.

 

You now have two tough problems.

 

Problem 1: If time travelers can go into the past to an arbitary date and "invent" something that already exists in their "present", where the heck did the gadget actually come from and who invented it? It seems to have always existed, was never actually invented, came from no where and therefore no one would actually have any reason to invent it at all. It already exists. Taken to its logical conclusion, everything that can possibly be invented already exists in all time frames. Time travelers have forever to travel to the past and take along their technology with them. Forever is a long time, secrets can't be kept forever, mistakes happen and technological secrets leak out. Eventually even the time travel gadget technology leaks out into the past. Everyone would have access to a time machine going all the way back to whenever humanity arises on the planet. And "humanity arises" would take on a very new meaning because people from the far distant future would be there in the past. There would be no beginning of humanity as we would define the situation. No one would have any doubts about time travel being possible and no one would even think about inventing time machines. They already exist and have existed for as far back in history as they can imagine. Thinking about inventing things wouldn't even occur to such a society...which brings into question the reason they took technology into the past in the first place. According to their history it was already there and there would be no reason to keep anything about there technology a secret from anyone or any time frame. They've been there and done that already.

 

Problem 2: The second problem is that there would be no money to be made because there would be no markets in which to invest. Markets depend on uncertainty. People speculate money on the uncertainty. There's no uncertainty here. There's nothing on which to speculate if the technology already exists. It would be akin to marketing snow to Eskimos.

 

If time travel is what you envision it to be then it has not and never will be invented. The evidence is that the world of perfect technology does not exist here. As I said, we would have forever (from today on to the infinite future and back to the infinite past) for folks to meddle with the past and untimately have their technology appear at all times and places. We don't see that anywhere.

 

 

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The problem here is that you have to follow both the logic and implications of what you propose. You want to go in to the past with your knowledge and "invent" something presumably prior to what we non time travelers believe to be the date of its invention according to our recorded history. So what happens when yet another time traveler goes even farther into the past and "invents" it? Every speculator/time traveler would be hop-scotching farther and farther into the past to try to invent the gadget before the other guy invents it.

You now have two tough problems.

 

Problem 1: If time travelers can go into the past to an arbitary date and "invent" something that already exists in their "present", where the heck did the gadget actually come from and who invented it? It seems to have always existed, was never actually invented, came from no where and therefore no one would actually have any reason to invent it at all. It already exists. Taken to its logical conclusion, everything that can possibly be invented already exists in all time frames. Time travelers have forever to travel to the past and take along their technology with them. Forever is a long time, secrets can't be kept forever, mistakes happen and technological secrets leak out. Eventually even the time travel gadget technology leaks out into the past. Everyone would have access to a time machine going all the way back to whenever humanity arises on the planet. And "humanity arises" would take on a very new meaning because people from the far distant future would be there in the past. There would be no beginning of humanity as we would define the situation. No one would have any doubts about time travel being possible and no one would even think about inventing time machines. They already exist and have existed for as far back in history as they can imagine. Thinking about inventing things wouldn't even occur to such a society...which brings into question the reason they took technology into the past in the first place. According to their history it was already there and there would be no reason to keep anything about there technology a secret from anyone or any time frame. They've been there and done that already.

 

Problem 2: The second problem is that there would be no money to be made because there would be no markets in which to invest. Markets depend on uncertainty. People speculate money on the uncertainty. There's no uncertainty here. There's nothing on which to speculate if the technology already exists. It would be akin to marketing snow to Eskimos.

 

If time travel is what you envision it to be then it has not and never will be invented. The evidence is that the world of perfect technology does not exist here. As I said, we would have forever (from today on to the infinite future and back to the infinite past) for folks to meddle with the past and untimately have their technology appear at all times and places. We don't see that anywhere.

Time travel is a whole different ball game and the rules are different from regular reality.Why discount something as existing.Just because you have not seen it.A time traveler could simple steal all the other time machines to make himself have the only one.
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I lump time travel together with the paranormal. Their influence

 

is often limited to those cognizant of them, e.g. whereas to sense

 

something imminent isn’t to be able to stop it, one's foreseeing an

 

accident on the other side of a hill could help him avoid a pileup.

 

Still, however subjectively phenomena is perceived, supernatural

 

occurrences invariably defy subjectivity itself by blurring boundaries.

 

Is that by intelligent design? I suppose: Yes, as are laws that prohibit

 

our changing the past or controlling the future.

 

Rommel, :-D greetings.

 

I didn't notice your last message until the above had been posted. Most people, including

 

yourself, would like to have it all along with youth. Still, "[t]o everything there is a season, and

 

a time to every purpose under the heavens"--Ecclesiastes (Darby Translation). Give thanks for what

 

you are gifted now, and make the most of the present.

 

0 : - )MGby'all.

 

 

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