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Today you will take a stone tablet and upon it carve a precise time and location. Specifically, you carve 06.21.2025 GMT:02:35 NEW YORK CENTRAL PARK. On your child's 18th birthday you hand it to them and ask them to pass the stone tablet likewise onto their descendants. This stone tablet passes from parent to child through numerous generations until it eventually passes to a descendant living in the distant future, in a time in which time machines have been invented. The descendant then uses the time machine and travels to the time and place carved on the stone tablet. This would of course mean that a time machine would appear at GMT:02:35 on 06.21.2025 in NEW YORK CENTRAL PARK.

 

- See more at: Kairos-Chronos - Home

 

Kairos-Chronos addresses the obvious flaws such as what if the stone tablet is lost or damaged, what if the chain of descendants is broken, what if time travel is simply not possible or legal? - See more at:

 

You have tackled the obvious flaws to your experiment, but have you given consideration to the notion that a carved tablet may not be necessary to carry through this experiment? Let's hypothetically say that time-travel is possible in 2025, a person takes the carved stone back to 2014. When that person arrives in 2014, they meet up with somebody from 3035 who has travelled BACK and did not receive the carving, but read an archived post from Time Travel Institute dated 2014. Additionally, have you given thought to the possiblity of time-travel being available in 2015? How would your experiment pan out then? I must say, its an interesting plan you've put forth though.

 

 

 

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Hello Mylo,

 

First and foremost thank you very much indeed for your thoughtful reply. It is my sincere hope that you and other like-minded people continue to push and pull at the ideas laid down in Kairos-Chronos

 

To address your specific points:

 

“You have tackled the obvious flaws to your experiment, but have you given consideration to the notion that a carved tablet may not be necessary to carry through this experiment?”

 

Utilising a stone tablet is an allegory. It is simply a very visual story to present the ideas contained in Kairos-Chronos in a manner in which those unfamiliar with time travel can conceive the idea (the idea being to try to involve as many people as possible). As explained in the “experiment” tab the aim of Kairos-Chronos is to enshrine the date 06.21.2025in future history using as wide a variety of mediums as possible, this is limited only by the imagination, but could include word of mouth, digital/stored files (archived post), monuments….etc etc. The aim is to create a robust ubiquitous meme capable of transcending future unknown cultures and civilisations.

 

Let's hypothetically say that time-travel is possible in 2025, a person takes the carved stone back to 2014. When that person arrives in 2014, they meet up with somebody from 3035 who has travelled BACK and did not receive the carving, but read an archived post from Time Travel Institute dated 2014. Additionally, have you given thought to the possiblity of time-travel being available in 2015? How would your experiment pan out then?”

 

The probability of the creation of a device capable of transporting a human being before 2015 or 2025 is low. However if this does come to pass the notion of the creation of temporal beacons/lighthouses is still of interest (though of course it must be stated that the outcome of Kairos-Chronos would be less interesting)

 

I must say, its an interesting plan you've put forth though.

 

Thank you, this is kind of you and please if I have misunderstood your comments feel free to correct me.

 

With Kind reagrds

 

Kairos-Chronos

 

 

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I have read through the website but I don't understand the significance of that date so far ahead either. It would be far better to specify a date in the past that had already gone. But, of course we know already that didn't happen, nobody has turned up quoting the project name Kairos-Chronos.

 

If the agreed date was set for 1988 instead of 2025 (in 2014) then there would be a paradox if I'm not mistaken? If it was possible to travel back to 1988 quoting the name Kairos-chronos 2014, then it would imply that the future has/is occurring (in relation to us here in 2014)? If that is the case, then we are the ones in the past (the occupants of 2014)?

 

 

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Is Kairos-Chronos something to do with the Kairos Society? Variations of Kairos are all over the internet lots of different websites but it's not all clear if they are all connected some seem to be religious in nature, others a scientific community...

 

 

To answer the question why “Kairos-Chronos”, well the name encapsulates the experiment. The greeks used a few different words to refer to time; Kairos and Chronos

 

Kairos refers to an exact special moment in time (the opportune moment in which everything happens). Whilst Chronos refers to sequential chronological time.

 

Thus the time travel experiment “Kairos-Chronos” is focused upon creating an opportune/special moment (time traveller appears) which will then be followed by a considerable period of time (chronos) until a time travelling device is created.

 

You could of course make an argument why not “Chronos-Kairos” and in doing so would demonstrate that you understood the experiment

 

 

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If the agreed date was set for 1988 instead of 2025 (in 2014) then there would be a paradox if I'm not mistaken? If it was possible to travel back to 1988 quoting the name Kairos-chronos 2014, then it would imply that the future has/is occurring (in relation to us here in 2014)? If that is the case, then we are the ones in the past (the occupants of 2014)?

 

To the potential time travellers after 2025, of course we are the ones in the past? Time travellers should be able to go to 2014, 1988, 1967, wherever..the date set should not matter.

 

 

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To answer the question why “Kairos-Chronos”, well the name encapsulates the experiment. The greeks used a few different words to refer to time; Kairos and Chronos

Kairos refers to an exact special moment in time (the opportune moment in which everything happens). Whilst Chronos refers to sequential chronological time.

 

Thus the time travel experiment “Kairos-Chronos” is focused upon creating an opportune/special moment (time traveller appears) which will then be followed by a considerable period of time (chronos) until a time travelling device is created.

 

You could of course make an argument why not “Chronos-Kairos” and in doing so would demonstrate that you understood the experiment

 

Thanks for the explanation of the name, I understand you want to set up an event as a "beacon" but you did not answer whether the project has anything to do with the other Kairos organisations I mentioned? Just curious where funding is coming from is all.

 

 

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Thanks for the explanation of the name, I understand you want to set up an event as a "beacon" but you did not answer whether the project has anything to do with the other Kairos organisations I mentioned? Just curious where funding is coming from is all.

There is absolutely no link to the Kairos organisation.

 

 

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Why 2025?

 

If Kairos-Chronos referenced 1998 as suggested it would be difficult to build sufficient momentum to attract a critical mass of people/artifacts/memes precisely due to the point you outlined, too many people would state that it is known to have failed as we have no historical record of this event. In other words a date in the near future allows a critical mass to build thereby preventing people losing faith/momentum in the experiment.

 

Additionally most people involved in Kairos-Chronos will be alive in 2025 hence there is the additional motivation that people can look forward to witnessing the event (thereby further spurring involvement/activity)

 

Why 21/6/2025?

 

This is the summer solstice in the year 2025. Which is useful in the creation of the required coordinates/reference points.

 

 

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To the potential time travellers after 2025, of course we are the ones in the past? Time travellers should be able to go to 2014, 1988, 1967, wherever..the date set should not matter.

Yes, understood. But in your prior post you said (quote):

 

But, of course we know already that didn't happen, nobody has turned up quoting the project name Kairos-Chronos.

 

This "infers" that the future has/is occuring right now from our vantage point today, in 2014 (or how else would anybody turn up quoting the project name Kairos-Chronos)

 

 

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Just because the project Kairos-Chronos is starting in 2014 it doesn't mean the Time traveller is coming from 2014. I don't see that inference at all. If you for instance went to 1900 from 2060 and told them all about the Vietnam War it doesn't mean you have to come from 1968. Vietnam is simply a small part of the history you would have to relate. For that same reason everybody after 2014 will know about Kairos-Chronos. That is in fact their aim, to raise awareness and make it a household name. Even if nobody can actually travel in time till say, 2114, a hundred years later, the date set is a "beacon" for time travellers to congregate at.

 

 

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Why 2025?If Kairos-Chronos referenced 1998 as suggested it would be difficult to build sufficient momentum to attract a critical mass of people/artifacts/memes precisely due to the point you outlined, too many people would state that it is known to have failed as we have no historical record of this event. In other words a date in the near future allows a critical mass to build thereby preventing people losing faith/momentum in the experiment.

 

Additionally most people involved in Kairos-Chronos will be alive in 2025 hence there is the additional motivation that people can look forward to witnessing the event (thereby further spurring involvement/activity)

 

Why 21/6/2025?

 

This is the summer solstice in the year 2025. Which is useful in the creation of the required coordinates/reference points.

 

These points are logical . The thing that makes me uneasy is the requirement for people to have "faith" that something will happen. We have seen from the John Titor hoax that this attracts the wrong sort of people and feeds into all kinds of oddball notions and conspiracy theories. You have set a date 11 years hence. Someone from the future will either turn up or they will not. If they do they better have some serious proof. I will wait and see. I will be very interested to see what motivation your project drums up.

 

I am not "anti" your project at all, far from it.

 

I don't quite understand what you mean by people "involved" in the project. It only needs a future time traveller ?Surely if a time traveller turns up he is there for everybody to see isn't he? Or is somebody out to create an event they can sell tickets for and make money?

 

 

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But, as the website relates, two other dates in the recent past have already been set up for the express purpose of attracting time travellers, and nobody came. Which unfortunately means nobody ever will, because they didn't.

 

 

Previous attempts perhaps failed as the design and implementation of the experiment was neither sufficiently ambitious or considered

 

On the “the experiment tab” page, three key points are identified for success;

 

1. UNIVERSAL MESSAGING: This concept was not utilised in previous attempts. The pioneer plaque is used as an example of one possible approach.

 

2. MAXIMUM DISPERSAL AND CULTURAL PENETRATION;

 

This concept was utilsed to some degree (media coverage was attained) however cultural penetration was minimal. There was also little thought for how cultures and civilisations change due to events or simply long periods of time

 

3. WIDE VARIETY OF MEDIUMS

 

This concept was minimally utilised in previous attempts (printed sheets of paper, newspaper articles, video footage, internet articles and a small plaque in Perth Australia)

 

 

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Just because the project Kairos-Chronos is starting in 2014 it doesn't mean the Time traveller is coming from 2014. I don't see that inference at all. If you for instance went to 1900 from 2060 and told them all about the Vietnam War it doesn't mean you have to come from 1968. Vietnam is simply a small part of the history you would have to relate. For that same reason everybody after 2014 will know about Kairos-Chronos. That is in fact their aim, to raise awareness and make it a household name. Even if nobody can actually travel in time till say, 2114, a hundred years later, the date set is a "beacon" for time travellers to congregate at.

I think you're missing my point. I didn't/haven't implied that the time-traveller is coming from 2014. I was just questioning/analysing your comment,

 

"It would be far better to specify a date in the past that had already gone. But, of course we know already that didn't happen, nobody has turned up quoting the project name Kairos-Chronos."

 

It just doesn't quite make sense in my mind.

 

 

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I think you're missing my point. I didn't/haven't implied that the time-traveller is coming from 2014. I was just questioning/analysing your comment,

"It would be far better to specify a date in the past that had already gone. But, of course we know already that didn't happen, nobody has turned up quoting the project name Kairos-Chronos."

 

It just doesn't quite make sense in my mind.

 

Well, because if a date is set in the past it circumvents a fraudulent claim...and it is the ultimate proof that time travel exists. I didn't really know how else to phrase it...everybody would know about Kairos-Chronos project from this point on is what I was trying to say..so if a TT turned up BEFORE the project was even thought of but quoting it ....you see what I mean?

 

 

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Previous attempts perhaps failed as the design and implementation of the experiment was neither sufficiently ambitious or considered

 

On the “the experiment tab” page, three key points are identified for success;

 

1. UNIVERSAL MESSAGING: This concept was not utilised in previous attempts. The pioneer plaque is used as an example of one possible approach.

 

2. MAXIMUM DISPERSAL AND CULTURAL PENETRATION;

 

This concept was utilsed to some degree (media coverage was attained) however cultural penetration was minimal. There was also little thought for how cultures and civilisations change due to events or simply long periods of time

 

3. WIDE VARIETY OF MEDIUMS

 

This concept was minimally utilised in previous attempts (printed sheets of paper, newspaper articles, video footage, internet articles and a small plaque in Perth Australia)

 

All valid points. What you are saying basically is that the events set up were too small and may have simply slipped off the grid and not be known about in the future when time travel is invented. Or time travellers might have more important things to do than confirming their presence for our benefit.

 

 

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These points are logical . The thing that makes me uneasy is the requirement for people to have "faith" that something will happen. We have seen from the John Titor hoax that this attracts the wrong sort of people and feeds into all kinds of oddball notions and conspiracy theories. You have set a date 11 years hence. Someone from the future will either turn up or they will not. If they do they better have some serious proof. I will wait and see. I will be very interested to see what motivation your project drums up.I am not "anti" your project at all, far from it.

 

I don't quite understand what you mean by people "involved" in the project. It only needs a future time traveller ?Surely if a time traveller turns up he is there for everybody to see isn't he? Or is somebody out to create an event they can sell tickets for and make money?

 

1. I am not familiar with John Titor. But I agree with your sentiment certain ideas have a tendency to attract troubled people and it is desirable to avoid this.

 

2. Faith is a word with many meanings depending upon its context and the perspective of the reader. Perhaps I should have used the word “confidence” instead to avoid any religious connotations

 

3. For this experiment to succeed a time and position need to be enshrined into future history. Every single person that contributes to this increases the probability of success. 10 messages are more effective than 1. A million messages are more effective than 10. One million messages “composed/created” in 1 million different ways are more effective still

 

Kairos-Chronos is an endeavour perfectly suited to our time. We live in a very interconnected world, a world in which like-minded people can collaborate, a multimedia world, a world in which an idea and information can spread like a virus.

 

In other words if successful Kairos-Chronos will be a catalyst for this event rather than control it. The ideal outcome would be a large network of people with many nodes/groups of people creating their own fully autonomous implementations. A centralised control scheme could not hope to create the level of diversity and output required to achieve success.

 

 

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All valid points. What you are saying basically is that the events set up were too small and may have simply slipped off the grid and not be known about in the future when time travel is invented. Or time travellers might have more important things to do than confirming their presence for our benefit.

 

Agreed, it is possible that a time traveller may have better things to do. Or perhaps time travel is not possible, or perhaps humanity destroys itself, or perhaps our "temporal lighthouse" is poorly designed and doesn't transient sufficient generations

 

But maybe, just maybe, all these things do not occur...........................

 

 

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These points are logical . The thing that makes me uneasy is the requirement for people to have "faith" that something will happen. We have seen from the John Titor hoax that this attracts the wrong sort of people and feeds into all kinds of oddball notions and conspiracy theories. You have set a date 11 years hence. Someone from the future will either turn up or they will not. If they do they better have some serious proof. I will wait and see. I will be very interested to see what motivation your project drums up.I am not "anti" your project at all, far from it.

 

I don't quite understand what you mean by people "involved" in the project. It only needs a future time traveller ?Surely if a time traveller turns up he is there for everybody to see isn't he? Or is somebody out to create an event they can sell tickets for and make money?

 

 

 

1. I am not familiar with John Titor. But I agree with your sentiment, certain ideas have a tendency to attract troubled people and it is desirable to avoid this.

 

2. Faith is a word with many meanings depending upon context and the perspective of the reader. Perhaps I should have used the word “confidence” instead to avoid any religious connotations

 

3. For this experiment to succeed a time and position need to be enshrined into future history. Every single person that contributes to this, increases the probability that this will occur. 10 messages are more effective than 1. A million messages are more effective than 10. One million messages “composed/created” in 1 million different ways are more effective still

 

Kairos-Chronos is an endeavour perfectly suited to our time. We live in a very interconnected world, a world in which like-minded people can collaborate, a multimedia world, a world in which an idea and information can spread like a virus.

 

In other words if successful Kairos-Chronos will be a catalyst for this event rather than control it. The ideal outcome would be a large network of people with many nodes/groups of people creating their own fully autonomous implementations. A centralise control scheme could not hope to create the level of diversity and output required to achieve success.

 

 

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Well, your responses and answers are certainly consistent. I apologise for trying to poke holes and challenge your motives. But we get a lot of fake time travel claimants posting.I will keep my eye out for Kairos-Chronos in the media until the appointed time.

 

Please dont apologise, the aim is to engage with a wide variety of people to understand how best to explain our aims and principles such that the message spreads easily

 

Your comments have been very useful indeed.

 

 

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