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Its an interesting study that he did here, and I believe what he is saying. It might be easier for a kid to remember their past lives. I have a sister who worked in a school at one time, and back in 2007 she told me about a boy who was disturbing her with his stories. The boy kept telling her that he remembered flying a plane into a building. I asked my sister point blank how old the kid was, she said that he was five maybe six. I then said to her which means he had to be born sometime in 2001 or 2002 and what horrendous event happened in 2001. She believe in reincarnation like I do, and at first she was freaked out by what I said but then realized it could make sense.

 

So, from that point on whenever the kid started talking about doing things that were the actions of a terrorist she would tell him that this wasn't his life any longer, he was now a little boy in school. After awhile the kid stopped talking about these things, and seem to settle down. Especially after he got glasses, my sister told me it was like he was finally able to see clearly the world now around him. So, I think Dr. Stevenson has a valid point.

 

I wonder how oters will react to his findings. What will they say that kids have active imaginations and this shouldn't be considered proof that reincarnation is real. I wouldn't be anything pass those who refuse to believe.

 

 

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I do believe in reincarnation and despite 'proof' there will always be people that will debunk it. Some people don't want to believe in reincarnation and then there are those who do, but don't believe in past lives or karma. To me they are all inter linked and whether you believe it or not, there is proof that it exists.

 

We can ask ourselves why some people remember and others don't; some souls remember because of the tragic way their last incarnation ended and need closure and maybe someone who died with closure doesn't need to recall their former life. That's why some people don't trust the proof, because not all people will have recollections, but they need to understand why they occur. Quite simply, if you don't need to remember then you won't, but that doesn't mean reincarnation doesn't exist.

 

 

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What makes me believe reincarnation is that our body, brain, heart and everything doesn't function alone. It needs soul or some sort of thing like that. You couldn't bring a dead body back to life by replacing all the dead organs because there is no soul anymore. Perhaps souls go to other bodies.

 

 

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Many people will argue against reincarnation with this simple argument: In 1500's England there was 2 million people. In 21st century England there is approx 50-60 million people. If reincarnation is simply a recylcing of souls, from one body to the next at death, then why the discrepency with numbers (i.e. population figures with the past and the present)?

 

Having said that, reincarnation makes perfect sense to me (and not only due to my buddhist background). Even the bible hints at the concept of reincarnation, and the early Gnostic Christians accepted this concept in their teachings/belief system.

 

 

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It needs a soul or some sort of thing like that? What... what do you mean?

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Sure you can keep heart alive by understanding how it works and equipment to build the needed machine to make it work. But lets say there is a person who died because of a heart problem. If you transplanted a healthy heart, this person still wouldn't come back to life. Well, of course other organs would have died too, you can't exactly replace everything, especially brain, but it makes you think.

 

 

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Sure you can keep heart alive by understanding how it works and equipment to build the needed machine to make it work. But lets say there is a person who died because of a heart problem. If you transplanted a healthy heart, this person still wouldn't come back to life. Well, of course other organs would have died too, you can't exactly replace everything, especially brain, but it makes you think.

We already know why you can't put a good heart in a dead person and expect him/her to live. We already understand the electro-chemical processes that define an organism as living or dead. This isn't something magical or a mystery. There's no need for a soul/spirit/essence.

 

If we use the organ transplant logic, and for the sake of the argument, assume that souls do exist, where is it stored? If you die and have multiple organs taken out to be donated to different receptors, what of your soul then? Or do the organs have nothing to do with the soul? Maybe the soul is somewhat digitally assigned to my being and is stored in a cloud-like soul data center? This is confusing...

 

 

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Is there an article about those electrochemical processes? I'd like to read that. Well, let's say life is something like electricity which makes everything happen, once it's gone, you can't simply add voltage to make life again. I'm not stating any facts, just saying my opinion about this. :)

 

 

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Is there an article about those electrochemical processes? I'd like to read that. Well, let's say life is something like electricity which makes everything happen, once it's gone, you can't simply add voltage to make life again. I'm not stating any facts, just saying my opinion about this. :)

 

Yeah man, don't worry. I'm actually giving my opinion as well, and throwing a couple of questions in the middle.

 

I'm not anywhere near a specialist on this subject, and maybe there is someone here who can help us out: @Gpa (I say maybe because I'm almost sure he's a biologist :D).

 

But, the good news is, this isn't a complicated topic. You don't need to read a "Scientific Article". A high school biology book will have all the information you need to understand this. :thumbsup:

 

It all starts in the cell. In a veeery simplistic way, a living organism like you and me, is nothing more than a whole bunch of cells functioning together. Cells form tissues, tissues form organs and we are a group of organs typing on a keyboard. There are several reasons why our cells, tissues and organs will stop functioning: Oxidation (old age), diseases that will mess up their entire physicochemical balance and will prevent them from generating energy, replication, exchange nutrients, etc and eventually cause organs to collapse, and the most tragic one, and my favorite: lethal physical damage. All of these things will make your body die. Also, poison, starvation and many others.

 

What they all have in common is that they all alter the balance in your body and dead you are.

 

And why can't the body "undie"? It has to do with the chemical balance I talked about. And the cells. The cells can only function in a limited number of different environments. Your body will react to all of the menaces I talked before by adapting, healing, releasing antibodies, hormones, chemicals of all sort to try and keep you alive.

 

But, it can only do so much. Your organism has a shelf-life. There's nothing you body can do about that by itself. You will die of old age because, biologically speaking, we are vehicles for our genes. Our purpose is to pass them on. Once you hit sexual maturity, there's no need for you to keep on living. Second, if you get a disease, your body (organs, tissues, cells) will do its best to fight it. And last, if you get physically hurt your body will also try to heal, but in the case of something lethal like decapitation, torso crushing, torso separation or carbonization, you won't stand a chance, although your body would have tried to keep you alive in those last seconds. All of these things are just variations in degree of things that will alter the chemical kinetics of your body rendering you dead.

 

We are actually very fragile!

 

So again, why can't you just put a functioning heart on someone who died of a heart attack and expect them to live? Once you die, your whole chemical balance changes. It's unbalanced now. You can't see it, but the environment in your body is no longer suitable for your cells to live in. We haven't found a way to revert that yet. It's like this: you can't "unboil" an egg. Once you boil it, you have altered its proteic structure and it will not go back to raw, no matter what you do.

 

Anyway, this is what I learned in high school. If you wanna go deeper, look for how each cell, tissues and organs work, chemically speaking. Krebs cycle, mitochondrion, the functioning of your kidneys, lungs, brain, bones... All those are valid keywords for this purpose.

 

 

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That's well said Nicolas. I could only add minutiae that would bore most. (even me):geek:

 

The soul, as I have stated before, is not a part of the biological construct that we call our body. It is not connected physically in any way. It is not dependent on the survival of the body for its survival. It is a non-physical entity and therefore can not be considered in the same frame of reference as the human body. Its existence has to be (is) a matter of belief. :notworthy:

 

 

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A certain species of worm can gain the memories of other worms when they are fed the brains of those worms. Maybe people who think they are reincarnated have ingested the brains of other animals indirectly and somehow can gain these memories. Or maybe we can gain memories of other things in different ways.

 

This would be an explanation of how reincarnation works. I am not really sure how you would test this theory.

 

 

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And just how exactly, is this assertion determined?

I don't recall the particulars of it, but I seem to recall something on that order. I'm don't have anything and my keywords aren't pulling much up on Google so I'll wait for a good link myself.

 

But the premise isn't too entirely crazy. Brain-to-brain interfacing is in the works, so the idea that you could capture, store, and reproduce the very brainwaves that basically make up our brain for use in another being is the essence of reincarnation. I have no idea how to explain that kids can show up with these memories, but if it can be done in a lab, it can surely happen at least once in the wild with no interference of men or machines. It's brain candy, at least.

 

 

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Transplant patients also gain personality traits of the donor. One theory is that there are brain like nerve tissues that run throughout our body, and the brain is just the main cluster for processing, so when organs are transplanted, certain elements of the donor go with it in different forms.

 

I'm still on the fence about reincarnation. I like to think it's real, and this gives me incentive to invest in what's going to happen after I depart. And like we've discussed, there's plenty of stories to think on. The one for me was an Indian girl who lead police to her former body, and pointed out her murderer in the street!

 

 

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Transplant patients also gain personality traits of the donor. One theory is that there are brain like nerve tissues that run throughout our body, and the brain is just the main cluster for processing, so when organs are transplanted, certain elements of the donor go with it in different forms.

I'm still on the fence about reincarnation. I like to think it's real, and this gives me incentive to invest in what's going to happen after I depart. And like we've discussed, there's plenty of stories to think on. The one for me was an Indian girl who lead police to her former body, and pointed out her murderer in the street!

Actually, it's entirely plausible! If there are smaller organs that play a pivotal role in augmenting the brain, or at least supplementing it, then there could be substance to the claim that organ donors impart traits to the person who receives the implant.

 

The Gnostics had a fascinating view on religion and reincarnation that may prove a valuable read to anyone interested on the subject. They shared many traits with religions that are still around, and fascinatingly had plenty of traits in common with Christianity.

 

 

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Now that sounds really interesting and makes me see this from a different perspective! But somehow I still want to believe that there is some sort of a soul involved, which would also make me believe that reincarnation exists.

It's quite alright. There's nothing stronger than wanting to believe in something. Not even real facts!

 

 

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I don't recall the particulars of it, but I seem to recall something on that order. I'm don't have anything and my keywords aren't pulling much up on Google so I'll wait for a good link myself.

But the premise isn't too entirely crazy. Brain-to-brain interfacing is in the works, so the idea that you could capture, store, and reproduce the very brainwaves that basically make up our brain for use in another being is the essence of reincarnation. I have no idea how to explain that kids can show up with these memories, but if it can be done in a lab, it can surely happen at least once in the wild with no interference of men or machines. It's brain candy, at least.

Guess what, I was led to this, while reading a couple of totally unrelated posts on Reddit. Coincidence? Who knows?

 

http://jeb.biologists.org/content/early/2013/06/27/jeb.087809.abstract

 

 

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Guess what, I was led to this, while reading a couple of totally unrelated posts on Reddit. Coincidence? Who knows?

http://jeb.biologists.org/content/early/2013/06/27/jeb.087809.abstract

Thank you! I read Reddit a lot and that looks like the exact article I read on it a little while back. /r/todayilearned I think it was posted on.

 

Those flatworms could be the key it takes to create a better and/or more functional brain-to-brain link. Personally, I wonder what could happen to the mind of a lesser animal if a human's mind was linked to it. Would we be able to give lesser animals (more?) sentience just by showing them how we think?

 

 

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