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Seeing is not necessarily believing. With the special effects we can pull off today, many people could be convinced a TT'er is real because he has a time machine that does really cool stuff. (It just doesn't travel through time)

 

Proof positive for me would be to take me back to a period I "know" and let me see for myself. If Johnny boy or any other story teller can do that, I might "stand corrected".

 

 

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How would you be able to prove a time traveler is real? I'm trying to come up with a fool proof method and falling short.

No! Don't never ever try to do so.There are a lot of implications as to why you should not.The after effect if similar to going to somebody's gym club, but getting the crabs from an infected locker.

 

If you chance on, or discover a time traveler, then treat this as grape seeds that you let slide down with the grapes your'e eating.The less people, except you confidential group that know, the better.

 

This is like walking down the street and telling everyone you meet that you got the crabs from a dirty health club.Pinter

 

 

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Seeing is not necessarily believing.

What I meant by seeing was to actually see the time machine and how it works by going back in time.

 

I have to agree though that the only way to be 100% sure that someone is a time traveler would be to use that persons time machine to go back to a certain point of time you remember clearly.

 

 

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There is a way to prove it but you would not get the answer immediately, if you were to meet a time traveller from the future you could ask them to describe in intricate detail a world event that will take place later this year. There is always something major happening somewhere in the world so you wouldn't have to wait long. You would then wait for the date of the event and see if the time traveller has given you a detailed and correct account of the event. Of course that plan would not work for those that believe in psychic ability, they would claim the time traveller is really just a psychic but it would be enough to satisfy me.

 

Obtaining proof from a time traveller that claims they are from the past would be a little more difficult but would follow a similar theory. I would ask them all kind of random questions from the time period they say they are from and gauge the answers. Everyone carries forward a certain amount of knowledge and information but they can't know everything, therefore i think my theory would be a good indicator but not foolproof. As some of the other posters have said actually seeing and riding in the time machine would be the only conclusive proof that would satisfy everyone.

 

 

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How would you be able to prove a time traveler is real? I'm trying to come up with a fool proof method and falling short.

We had developed a first, basic wicket that any credible TT'er should be able to navigate right here on this site over the years. If a TT'er was real (including the alleged Titor), then they should have zero problem going back in time, accessing this forum in a year that we, the time-locked of today, choose, and have them insert a post (or a thread) within the forum.

 

We have had one or two people who thought they were smart try to trick us by posting threads, or posts in an existing thread, that they thought would go unnoticed. But they are not accounting for the fact that there are some fairly intelligent people that hang out here. The key is that the person requesting the proof sets the terms of whether it is a new thread or a post in an existing thread, and what it says.

 

We even had someone create a sock puppet account to attempt to play both the role of the TT'er and the person demanding the proof, so they could have a conversation with himself and plant the thread post earlier with the hopes that no one would notice. That failed as well because myself and two others noticed the post when it showed up, and called out the sock puppet when they asked for it. As such, the person requesting the proof and setting the terms of the "proof post" in the years ago forum would have to be one of us, trusted old timers here on the forum.

 

So far, no one has been able to pass this test, yet it is a test that any TT'er would be able to readily pass.

 

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We had developed a first, basic wicket that any credible TT'er should be able to navigate right here on this site over the years. If a TT'er was real (including the alleged Titor), then they should have zero problem going back in time, accessing this forum in a year that we, the time-locked of today, choose, and have them insert a post (or a thread) within the forum.

We have had one or two people who thought they were smart try to trick us by posting threads, or posts in an existing thread, that they thought would go unnoticed. But they are not accounting for the fact that there are some fairly intelligent people that hang out here. The key is that the person requesting the proof sets the terms of whether it is a new thread or a post in an existing thread, and what it says.

 

We even had someone create a sock puppet account to attempt to play both the role of the TT'er and the person demanding the proof, so they could have a conversation with himself and plant the thread post earlier with the hopes that no one would notice. That failed as well because myself and two others noticed the post when it showed up, and called out the sock puppet when they asked for it. As such, the person requesting the proof and setting the terms of the "proof post" in the years ago forum would have to be one of us, trusted old timers here on the forum.

 

So far, no one has been able to pass this test, yet it is a test that any TT'er would be able to readily pass.

 

RMT

Oh wow! That is awesome!! It's a really good idea, too. It seems like you always have hacks trying to lie to you, though. I will never understand the point of that.

 

 

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In regard to a person from the past. I would ask them to use certain devices around the house. Observe them for a few days with the things of the house. If they truly show an misunderstanding of how to use a computer, microwave, bathtub, etc. then just maybe they had proved that they are form the past.

 

 

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In regard to a person from the past. I would ask them to use certain devices around the house. Observe them for a few days with the things of the house. If they truly show an misunderstanding of how to use a computer, microwave, bathtub, etc. then just maybe they had proved that they are form the past.

And how do you account for the potential that they are faking their misunderstanding of how to use modern devices? It is important to remember that con men (or con people, as I should say in this gender-neutral world) are good at conning people because they are good at inventing all sorts of ways to fool you. They are good at pretending.

 

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What about the possibility of there being a divergence between time lines like what we heard from John Titor?

To Ceolaric, very good, comprehensive thinking.What may be no longer there, but still might are the original thread contents from Art Bell's early BBS on John Titor visiting there.__When a time machine of less effective design malfunctions, what may occur if unjust machine parts are substituted out of OEM status, is that time traveler's machine could operate out of original manufacturer's specifications.

 

Because with respects to Tiors said going into another worldline as said in archive by poster pamela moore, said John Titor could have been sent by time machine frequency mal-operation to another worldline.

 

There are even postings not only in TTI to this effect, but other worldlines, or realities that Titor had claimed this occurrence may have happened to him.This is a sometimes thing, but not all the time that when a traveler enters into another reality, then by their own frequency in being there, they adopt the character of that other time line.

 

This is what I feel and a few others think may have happened to John Titor.There are some indications that said John T. had undergone a personality crisis or change of some sort.However this happenstance is unsubstantiated. Pinter

 

 

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There is a way to prove it but you would not get the answer immediately, if you were to meet a time traveller from the future you could ask them to describe in intricate detail a world event that will take place later this year. There is always something major happening somewhere in the world so you wouldn't have to wait long. You would then wait for the date of the event and see if the time traveller has given you a detailed and correct account of the event. Of course that plan would not work for those that believe in psychic ability, they would claim the time traveller is really just a psychic but it would be enough to satisfy me.

I believe this would not work because of alternate universes. A time traveler could travel to the year he was born, kill himself as baby, and he wouldn't disappear, because it would only create an alternate universe. With this method you would run into similar problem.

 

 

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How would you be able to prove a time traveler is real? I'm trying to come up with a fool proof method and falling short.

It's not your job to prove that a self proclaimed time traveler is real. That's the time traveler's job. There's no law of nature that requires a time traveler to shout out "I'm a time traveler!" Time travel doesn't depend on advertising.

 

Now, how does a time traveler prove the case if they choose to shout? Oh, a series of very concise, precisely stated, detailed short term predictions that can be easily verified. By short term I mean less than two weeks. They don't have to be Earth shattering events. Example: a series of a dozen verbatim quotes from specific newspaper articles in specific newspapers, identified a week in advance by date, section, page and headline would be nice.

 

Hey, I didn't ask them to shout it out. They did it on their own. If they thereafter want to play, "I don't care if you believe me" that's their problem. The conversation won't be very long, it will surely become very boring very quickly because that ploy has become a cliche and another wannabe will come to take their place before long.

 

 

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It's not your job to prove that a self proclaimed time traveler is real. That's the time traveler's job. There's no law of nature that requires a time traveler to shout out "I'm a time traveler!" Time travel doesn't depend on advertising.

Now, how does a time traveler prove the case if they choose to shout? Oh, a series of very concise, precisely stated, detailed short term predictions that can be easily verified. By short term I mean less than two weeks. They don't have to be Earth shattering events. Example: a series of a dozen verbatim quotes from specific newspaper articles in specific newspapers, identified a week in advance by date, section, page and headline would be nice.

 

Hey, I didn't ask them to shout it out. They did it on their own. If they thereafter want to play, "I don't care if you believe me" that's their problem. The conversation won't be very long, it will surely become very boring very quickly because that ploy has become a cliche and another wannabe will come to take their place before long.

lol... If I ever become a time traveler, I won't talk to you. ;)

 

 

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How would you be able to prove a time traveler is real? I'm trying to come up with a fool proof method and falling short.

The problem that I never see anyone addressing is what the exact nature of time travel is (for the self-proclaimed traveller, at least). The idea of "okay, you go back in time and check X out, then return" is nice and all, but what if time travel is not a neat little tool that you can just do? Terminator-style TT would not let the traveller jump around like that. And anything that can be predicted with pinpoint accuracy is likely possible to deduce through other means (predicting weather phenomena or seismic activity, even sports statistics or market fluctuations. Some people do that for a living. Some are even good at it!). Not only that, but if the interviewer can ask the traveller *anything*, that requires the traveller to have brought knowledge of *literally everything* along! Even if you just go back a day, that's a big piece of mental luggage....

 

I personally doubt that a universal test is even possible. It would take a close study at the traveller's claims of how TT work to design a test, and it would require something other than a "gotcha" mentality, since it would have to be fitted to the means that could rationally be expected from the traveller. And you would have to account for the idea that even a true, honest-to-Vishnu time traveller might still be a complete nut, who believes the Moon is made of goat's cheese and whales are soulless killers from the planet Nebiru.

 

In short, we'd need a true science of *dealing* with time travel, even long before the science of actual TT comes around...

 

 

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...but why would someone "travel" from another time just so they could join an internet forum and manically declare they are real time travelers?

 

And is time travel, like, sexist? Looking back over the claims section, I'm not seeing any women (that I know of). Just what appears to be young guys with something to brag about.

 

Sorry if I'm not making sense here. I just think Logic™ and Reason™ in and of themselves discredit most so-called time travelers. That and the fact that most of them run for the hills the minute anyone asks them a question.

 

And this "I'm from 6000 years in the future and I've come to warn you" crap. Seriously? Anybody here want to travel 6000 years back in time and warn people about the future? No? Good luck if you do. What ever your native tongue is, it's a pretty good guess the people of 6000 years ago aren't going to understand your warnings.

 

I said this in another post. What the hell is with the lone wolf time traveler fetish? Do police work alone? Do firefighters work alone? Do soldiers work alone? Voluntarily going from Time A to Time B, for a mission, be it observation or whatever, would be impractical (bordering on idiocy) as a solo venture, or without some support system in place at site B.

 

IMO, time slips and other cases of distortion, unwilling travel, are waaay more interesting, just by virtue of not setting up that story-like narrative of the professional time traveler.

 

tl:dr :poop:

 

 

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And is time travel, like, sexist? Looking back over the claims section, I'm not seeing any women (that I know of).

Lyndzee Grummomd was a female time traveler claimant. And I believe that Zeshua was also a woman, but being a construct of Peter Novak not sure if Zeshua counts. I believe there may be more, but don't remember them.

 

Although the claimants can travel through time, they seem to be a bit lacking here and there ; like being astonished when proof is demanded by the members here. I would think reading what you're getting into before making a claim would be a good idea.

 

 

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The problem that I never see anyone addressing is what the exact nature of time travel is (for the self-proclaimed traveller, at least). The idea of "okay, you go back in time and check X out, then return" is nice and all, but what if time travel is not a neat little tool that you can just do? Terminator-style TT would not let the traveller jump around like that. And anything that can be predicted with pinpoint accuracy is likely possible to deduce through other means (predicting weather phenomena or seismic activity, even sports statistics or market fluctuations. Some people do that for a living. Some are even good at it!). Not only that, but if the interviewer can ask the traveller *anything*, that requires the traveller to have brought knowledge of *literally everything* along! Even if you just go back a day, that's a big piece of mental luggage....

I personally doubt that a universal test is even possible. It would take a close study at the traveller's claims of how TT work to design a test, and it would require something other than a "gotcha" mentality, since it would have to be fitted to the means that could rationally be expected from the traveller. And you would have to account for the idea that even a true, honest-to-Vishnu time traveller might still be a complete nut, who believes the Moon is made of goat's cheese and whales are soulless killers from the planet Nebiru.

 

In short, we'd need a true science of *dealing* with time travel, even long before the science of actual TT comes around...

An insightful and balanced approach! Nice theory.

 

 

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It would all depend on how precisely they could predict the point in time that they return to. It would be fairly trivial to memorize the lead stories from CNN, BBC and whatever other news channel for a week in advance if you knew the exact moment you were returning to. Even throw in a few overseas news channels. You could also just have a list of obituaries for the next week memorized.

 

 

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