KerrTexas Posted July 6, 2006 Author Share Posted July 6, 2006 I mentioned in one of these posts, perhaps deleted, that in the pursuit of truth, sacrifice is required. What sacrifice I am referring to---may be different for each of us. I have realized that to immerse oneself into specific "harmonics", that one must also adjust their own "harmonics" to achieve a sychronicity with the frequencies of creation. The Key to "tuning in" ( so to speak ); is mentioned in various faiths around the globe. Too bad man has to complicate everything, the message buried beneath twisted reason and logic. Some things are just as they are, and mere words humanity uses to argue upon these truths only creates diffusion and confusion of the reality of truth. And also gives birth to the extremists that grasp unto the babblings to manipulate those with blind eyes, and use faith as a foundation for their own blindness and hate. Funny how those that hate the most, will end up experiencing that which they hate, >>>> longer <<<<< than those that can "see" and realize that hate doesnt create a progressive foundation for ascension. To the extremists, you arent gaining anything, but a longer sentence of hatred. So to you, the haters, you dont scare "us" ( the "us" doesnt mean the United States ); instead, "we" merely shake our heads with an understanding of what you are doing to "yourself". "We" know what your future holds, and that IS frightening, not for "us", but for "you". To those that predict a horrific future, it isnt like this is a suprise. And the situation that is predicted DOES have its options available to those who "know". To those who "see" the truth, "hear" the truth, and have sacrificed those things as required to "harmonize", it will be good. Time Travel, it can be done, however, a vast majority of humanity will never be able to do it, because of the same reasons why "a" horrific future, that has been foretold, will more than likely come to pass. Such is the symphony of life. There is a small number of musicians in the band, but there sure is a huge crowd as the audience. Wonder what our future would be like if everyone realized they are "musicians" as well, and dont have to "sit in the seats" and merely watch as the music is played ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainmanTime Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Such is the symphony of life. There is a small number of musicians in the band, but there sure is a huge crowd as the audience. I've always been thankful for those musicians who were playing in the band before I was called to play. They helped me hear the beauty of the music of Nature-al Creation. And they encouraged me to pick up an instrument, learn to play it, and join in with the band! Time is merely a perception of the non-physical bodies. It is not "real" outside of its integrated nature with Mass and Space. "Reality" can only be described by a single (One) integrated mixture of Time, with Mass, with Space. It's a Matrix. It's THE Matrix. Doing great work with this thread, OvLrd. Keep it up, for the sake of those who haven't decided to join the band! RMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerrTexas Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 Amen, Brother Ray! A little something I feel like writing... I like to prospect for Gold. I found a great spot near a small Southern California Town named Silverado. Taking a particular trail into the hills, there is place that the water flows underneath the canopy of some old oak trees. The mountains in the distance are silently defiant against time, which is slowly working away on their magnificence. I would scoop some gravel in a gold pan and work the material for awhile, then relax and ponder various subjects, enjoying the scents in the gentle, comfortable breeze. The leaves overhead singing songs of joy, and birds chirping in agreement. The clear, cool water bubbling on its journey down the hillside. The day would pass by, and I would pack up the pans, and anything else I brought with me. And home I would go... The first question that is asked when I tell of looking for gold in the mountains is this..." Did you find any Gold " ? My response is..." Yes, I did "!!! When asked to break out the gold so it can be viewed, I have to let them know that the "gold" I found, doesnt fit into a bag, box or crate. When I spoke of finding gold 'in them thar mountains', I wasnt speaking about a mineral. I was talking about the "experience" of becoming one with nature. ( and becoming aware of so much more ) And the riches gained from the gold I have found on many journeys, is far greater than any digits on a balance sheet. I know from making a few journeys with you, Ray, to a place with tons of gold , you know exactly what Gold I speak of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerrTexas Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 In my research regarding the Key of Time, something has come to my attention. I have been finding mention of the Lords of the Cylces in several writings, and it struck me as interesting that they are supposed to be 7 in number. In wondering who they might be, as I am sure they are mentioned elsewhere in other esoteric/theological/mystical documentation/legends, one group of 7 came to mind. In Christianity, we have 7 Key figures. 1. Father 2. Son 3. Holy Spirit 4. Michael 5. Gabriel 6. Raphael 7. Uriel Are they the 7 Lords of the Cycles? A more complete description of each Angel.... Michael --- "Who is as God" The greatest of angels, chief of the orders of virtues and archangels, prince of presents ( Hmmmm...reference to time ? ), repentance, rightousness, mercy, sanctification, conqueror of the Dragon, known as Sabbathiel. Key Holder of Heaven. Gabriel --- "God is my strength" He is the angel who stands to the left hand of God, the angel of resurrection, mercy, vengence, death, revelations. He presides over Paradise, the spirit of truth, angel of war. Raphael --- "God had healed" Labbiel. One who watches, guide of the underworld, regent of the sun, governer of the south, guardian of the west, guardian of the tree of life, angel of healing, angel of the Sun. Uriel --- The Flame of God, regent of the sun, archangel of salvation, watcher of thunder and terror, repentance, interpreter of prophecies and dreams, disclosure of the mysteries of the heavenly arcane. Angel of the constellations. ................................................................................................... In reading the descritions of each of these Angels ( energies ), many specific words could be changed to mean something else entirely. ................................................................................................... Reading an earlier post of Ezekeil...some descriptions stood out as I was pondering upon these 4 ( Four ) Angels... 4. And I saw, and behold, a tempest was coming from the north, a huge cloud and a flaming fire with a brightness around it; and from its midst, it was like the color of the chashmal from the midst of the fire. 5. And from its midst was the likeness of four living beings , and this is their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. 6. And [each] one had four faces, and [each] one had four wings. 7. And their legs were straight legs, and the soles of their feet were like a round foot, and they sparkled like the color of burnished copper. 8. And human hands were beneath their wings on their four sides, and their faces and their wings were [the same] to all four of them . Hmmmmm....4 ? A connection to these 4 from Ezekeil and Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel. It sure becomes interesting how many connections just keep popping up...wow. Bob, you did a paper on Ezekeil, from what you know of these 4 Angels, anything you can compare to their individual attributes and the behaviour of those 4 that Ezekeil witnessed ? I think there is much more to this than what is written, or at first perceived when read. I believe much is hidden behind the obvious. note: I wrote this very late at night, so it may not be written all that well. Also the material presented in this post are merely ponderings...posted to allow others to also ponder and possibly make any connections that I havent seen......yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Traveller Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 for me time = movement time is a measure. "time" is used to measure "movement". if there is no movement, there is no time. time passes by because everything is moving. but is it possible to stop the movement of the particles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerrTexas Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 for me Time = movement--------time is a measure. (1) "time" is used to ,measure "movement". (2) If there is no movement, there is no time. time passes by because everything is moving. (3) Is it possible to stop the movement of the particles? (1) Measured by whom ? And who defines the "measurement" of Time ? If you understand Creation, you will realize there is an absolute measurement of time followed by ALL, but NOT as understood by most of humanity, with regards to the eternal/infinite nature of The Creator. So far, 99.9 % of any definitions that relate to "what time it is"...has been contrived by humanity. Now this doesnt mean it isnt needed to function as a society, but as far as what "time" may be in itself, is a matter of perception( in this reflection of existence ). An hour to you, may be like two hours to me. The digitized passage of time really doesnt matter in such a case. It is the perception of the event itself that governs the perceived duration of time. (2) Really? Can you expand on this thought? (3) It may be possible, but in regards to our quest to understand the basics of time, and to possibly travel through time, this question shouldnt be given alot of ..er..time. I need to remind you, that words make it difficult to convey a complete concept, especially with a topic such as time. The list below is only an outline. There is so much more behind every word, every ideal, that it would take alot of time and text to try and convey an understanding to you of something that, for me, has taken many years of study, discipline, experiences, and travel to even begin to understand basic ideals regarding "time" and how it fits into the scheme of all things, seen and unseen, known and unknown. 1. In the beginning, there was eternal thought 2. For thought to be eternal, time must exist 3. INTO the thought grew the Law of Time 4. Time is movement that is in a state of fixation 5. Time is the FORCE that holds events seperate 6. Time is not in motion 7. Your consciousness moves from one event to another 8. Eternal One Existence 9. Even though in Time you are separate, yet you are still One in all times existent This is merely an outline of the nature of time, and unless one takes the time to study, reflect upon, and seek out the truth of these words, then these words will remain 2 dimensional, and mean nothing to you. Jesus said it best... 10 The disciples came to Him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" 11 He replied, "To you it has been given to know the secrets and mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. ( Not by His choice or decision, but because of individual peoples choice to NOT accept the 'secrets and mysteries of the kingdom of heaven' ) 12 Whoever has [spiritual {understanding}] will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have[spiritual {understanding}], even what he has will be taken from him. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand". 14 ...You shall indeed hear and hear, but never grasp and understand, and indeed you shall look and look but never see and perceive. 15. For this nation's heart has grown fat and dull, and their ears heavy and difficult of hearing, and their eyes they have tightly closed, lest they see and perceive with their eyes, and hear and comprehend the sense with their ears, and grasp and understand with their hearts, and in turn and I shall heal them. 18 Listen then to the [meaning of the] parable of the sower.... I can tell you how to travel in time, but the mere telling wont mean anything. It is a discipline that requires sacrifice, and this is where most fail. Such is the symphony of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainmanTime Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 I am almost with ya. Hello Time_Traveller: for me time = movement time is a measure. "time" is used to measure "movement". I almost agree with what you are saying here. But I don't see time as "=" movement. Your last statement is closer to what I find as The Truth. Time is indeed something we use to MEASURE movement (I use the term Motion). That makes Time a METRIC of Motion. And by Motion we refer to a physical metric defined as Space per unit TIME. Velocity (and all of its derivatives). So we could say:TIME = Metric(Motion) = Metric(Space/Time)...... Time is a metric on a Space-Time manifold! But there is another half to the story which I feel you have omitted (or maybe just left it as implied by "movement"). You assumed that there is "something" that is doing the moving. Some body of Matter. Not only is Time a Metric(Motion) but it is equally a Metric(Matter). In fact, this is why I maintain that the Metric we call Time is literally DEFINED by differing measures of Matter in Motion. And so far, I have not seen anyone who can falsify that (in fact, this is a foundation of Einstein's desciption of physics... he defines SpaceTime metrics in a Minkowski 4-D spacetime). And just as we can define Motion as being a mixture of Space per unit Time, we can also define Matter as being a mixture of Mass per unit Time. In physics this is known by the term Mass Flow Rate, with units of (Mass/Time). So now the other measurement that comprises what we think of as Time becomes: TIME = Metric(Matter) = Metric(Mass/Time)......Time is a metric on a Mass-Time manifold! This is a different metric of Time which does not care at all about Space. This metric defines how some body of Mass changes with respect to Time. It is a different kind of "motion" that we have come to call Mass Flow Rate. But now if we roll all of the above into a single "equation" that describes physical Time as a mixture of these two metrics, we get: TIME = Metric(Matter) + Metric(Motion)........Time is an integrated metric of two manifolds interacting with each other: Matter-in-Motion! Now... all of this is just how we physically define and measure Time. It's the science side of things. There is a much deeper meaning to the metric that Time represents. This deeper meaning relies on our ability to measure physical Time in some relative manner, but it is beyond physical in its scope. For this reason I define "Tense" as the mental projection of the physical metric we agree to call Time. Where TIME is a metric in the physical universe of Matter in Motion, TENSE now becomes a metric within the aphysical "universe" of the human mind (or any other kind of mind, for that Matter!) I'd suggest that TENSE is more in alignment with the deeper mysteries of Life & Creation that OvrLrd is referring to. Correct me if I am wrong? RMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerubbabel Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Hey Thomas, Actually, something did just jump out at me concerning the four creatures and it was the concept that I had remarked about in my short piece on Ezekiel. It was about the four faces and how no matter how hard we tried, we would only be able to perceive the one face which was facing us. No matter which tool we use, we cannot look beyond the veil. It is simply beyond our ability to "see" how one entity can have all these completely unique "worldviews" and still remain to our understanding as a single "person". In each one of those personas, a specific attribute was accentuated (the "fruits" of the spirit such as love, joy, peace, etc.), and in their fullness--to which a limited mind would have to perceive as a single individual. We cannot wrap our minds around a being that is fully all in all. Thus, He breaks down Himself to discrete units that we can understand, but there is no space of any kind between them. It is a single unit, and as far as we know, the only thing we can truly conceive of which is not enveloped in space. Space literally surrounds every thing in the universe--except those four faces. Of course, since we can only perceive one, our minds "supply" the space around it. Another thing that came to my mind was the many names that Diety represented Himself as down through the Ages so that man could have some understanding of Himself. Of course, in revealing Himself in successive stages--He truly was revealing nature beyond our capability to comprehend, but at the same time, He was giving us the tools to comprehend; and thus to master that nature. I don't think that we are going to have to actually invent a time machine. I am more of the mind that the time machine is building itself around us as we speak and the more we open ourselves to it, the more we will realize and see. I can almost dimly see the flashing flames of fire of Uriel surrounding us, filled with the healing fruit of Raphael, having the growing strength of Gabriel, and with the face of Michael who represents Christ--the fullness of the all-in-all within man. Thanks for bringing this back up again. It's always nice to see where you are standing within the temple structure. Exciting times are here amid all these wars and rumours of wars. It is nice to know that it is not those who "seek to fulfill the vision" by bringing chaos on the world, but those who seek to "enter within the veil". When we see THAT number made up, then we will see the end to the nonsense that is going on. Those four faces are truly the "four angels" which hold all those winds of strife from blowing. In the end, reason will prevail. The truth will be known. The LAW will be proclaimed. War will be no more. This will happen when the secrets of time are fully revealed and will show without a doubt what the truth is and what is fable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerrTexas Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 Zerubbabel, Fantastic observations. I dont have any words to convey my feelings on your comments. Mind goes blank as my spirit takes over and contemplates your words.. Perhaps this post will also bring about some revelations to you, and I would love to also share in your thoughts or any connections you make. Concerning the 7 Lords of The Cycles. The following are passages as spoken from one of the Lords. The words that are in bold, were written that way in the original text. ................................................................................................... (1) When you and all your brethren were formless, formed forth were WE from the order of ALL . Not as men are WE ... Out of the Great Void were WE formed forth in order by LAW . For know you that which is formed, truly is formless, having form only to your eyes. ................................................................................................... (2) Forth were WE formed after our order: THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT and NINE . Know you that these are the numbers of cycles that WE descend from unto man. Each of us, WE having here duty to fulfill; each having here a force to control. ................................................................................................... (3) Yet, are we ONE with the SOUL of our cycle. Yet are WE , too, seeking a goal. Far beyond man's conception, Infinity extends into a greater ALL . There, in a time that is yet not a time, we shall All become ONE with a greater than ALL . Time and space here are moving in circles. Know you their law, and you too, shall be free. Aye, free shall you be to move Through the cycles-- pass WE the guardians that dwell at the door. ................................................................................................... ................................................................................................... ................................................................................................... The section that really got my mind to a pondring was the 2nd passage. Forth were WE formed after our order: THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT and NINE -----------------YOU know who ONE and TWO are. Know you that these are the numbers of cycles that WE descend from unto man. ----------------Hmmmm...Tree of Life come to mind ? Each of us, WE having here duty to fulfill; each having here a force to control. Some background on the 4 angels as mentioned previously, certainly has me wondering what truths appear when the connections are revealed. Gabriel --- " God is my Strength " He who presides over paradise. Gabriels Quadrangle is WEST. Michael --- " Who is as God " Key Holder of Heaven Michaels Quadrangle is EAST. Raphael --- " God has healed " Guardian of the Tree of Life; Angel of the "Sun". Raphael's quadrangle is SOUTH. Quote from "Book of Tobias"; ' After the healing of the elder Tobias, Azarias, made himself known as " the angel Raphael, one of the seven , who stand before the Lord.' Uriel --- " Flame of God " Watcher of thunder... Uriel's quadrangle is North. ................................................................................................... Interesting to note that in Ezekeil, the tempest comes from the North, with thunder...Hmmmmm...and Uriel's Quadrangle is the North, and is considered to be the watcher of the thunder. Truly, more is contained behind the obvious we are reading in these texts. ................................................................................................... I also noticed this... Know you their law, and you too, shall be free . It doesnt say "THE" law, but indicates persons..."their" law. Very important to know. Far beyond man's conception, Conception is an interesting choice of terminology here. Why wasnt the word "comprehension" used, or "understanding" ? Far beyond man's conception.... Any ideas as to the meaning of this sentence ? ................................................................................................... As the connections are made, and that which becomes visible, paradise truly is but an eye blink away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainmanTime Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Holy Cow, guys... you really are on a Creative tear here! Excellent stuff, OvrLrd, and Zerub's inputs are certainly TIMEly and powerful. They are firing-off connections in my head with respect to another topic under discussion in another thread: The nature of the pyramid form as an object of "sacred geometry" and how it pertains to our physical and aphysical human forms. Forth were WE formed after our order: THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT and NINE -----------------YOU know who ONE and TWO are. Know you that these are the numbers of cycles that WE descend from unto man. ----------------Hmmmm...Tree of Life come to mind ? Totally. Completing the "lightning flash of Creation" which is depicted as a descending lightning bolt moving through the order of these seven Sephiroth. To me this represents the literal descent of Information to Energy to Momentum, which finally takes physical form in Sephira #10. Or spoken differently, we could use the terms: Descent from Spirit (Information) into Soul (Energy), and further descent into Mind (Momentum) which eventually commands the physical body. Are you with me?Another connection that hit me is the connection between the four faces described in Ezekiel and the four faces on the pyramid form, which are (interestingly enough) triangle forms (4+3=7 levels). So the four faces of Ezekiel should align with the four edges of the pyramid base, and its four triangular sides, which obviously connect to the four archangels (the 4 directions of the compass) and the Trinity of Father/Son/Spirit. Keep those connections rolling, guys. You're doing a great job here! RMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerrTexas Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 Brother Ray, I do ! I think we all have covered alot of ground in this thread. Many things have come from contemplation of what we put on the table. I believe we are on quite a journey, and our eyes are really beginning to open up. Interesting that for all the different ways the "clues" are spread around us, they all become as ONE in the end. Many paths, ONE destination, eh? As a side note: I only presented a small fraction of what I have been reading, if you like what you have read in this thread, you might be amazed with what hasnt been posted . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerrTexas Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 All together now.... 1. There existed no matter, only force 2. A movement 3. A vortex of vibration 4. In the beginning, there was eternal thought 5. For thought to be eternal, time must exist 6. INTO the thought grew the Law of Time 7. Time is movement that is in a state of fixation 8. Time is the FORCE that holds events separate 9. Time is not in motion 10. Your consciousness moves from one event to another 11. Eternal One Existence 13. Even though in Time you are separate, yet you are still One in all times existent. 14. Time moves through strange angles 15. Yet only by curves could I hope to attain the key that would give me access to the time-space 16. "Light" is the goal you seek to attain 17. Find at the source, the End of your goal. 18. Light ( Vibration ) is life. 19. Without Light ( vibration ) nothing can ever exist. 20. In All Formed Matter, The HEART of Light always exists. 21. Saying in tones that rang through the silence, words of power, mighty and potent 22. Chanted they the song of the cycles, the words that opened the path to beyond. 23. I saw the great path opened and looked for an instant into the beyond 24. Saw I the movements of the cycles, vast as the thought of the Source could convey. 25. The Cosmos is Order 26. A movement that extends to all space. , constantly moving 27. A part of an Order of Orders 28. The wheeling of cycles 29. All that has being is growing to meet yet other being in a far-off grouping of space and of .....time 30. Words are power to open the planes that are hidden from man 31. In Words lies hidden the key that will open above and below ................................................................................................... ................................................................................................... 32. When you and all your brethren were formless, formed forth were WE from the order of ALL. 33. Not as men are WE ... 34. Out of the Great Void were WE formed forth in order by LAW . 35. For know you that which is formed, ....truly is formless, having form only to your eyes. 36. Forth were WE formed after our order: 37. THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT and NINE. 38. Know you that these are the numbers of cycles 39. that WE descend from unto man. 40. Each of us, WE having here duty to fulfill; 41. each having here a force to control. 42. Yet, are we ONE with the SOUL of our cycle. 43. Yet are WE , too, seeking a goal. 44. Far beyond man's conception, 45. Infinity extends into a greater ALL . 46. There, in a time that is yet not a time, 47. we shall All become ONE 48. with a greater than ALL . 49. Time and space here are moving in circles. 50. Know you their law, and you too, shall be free. 51. Aye, free shall you be to move Through the cycles-- 52. pass WE the guardians that dwell at the door. ................................................................................................... Michael --- Key Holder of Heaven --- Michaels Quadrangle is EAST. "Who is as God" The greatest of angels, chief of the orders of virtues and archangels, prince of presents ( Hmmmm...reference to time ? ), repentance, rightousness, mercy, sanctification, conqueror of the Dragon, known as Sabbathiel. Key Holder of Heaven. Gabriel --- He who presides over paradise --- Gabriels Quadrangle is WEST "God is my strength" He is the angel who stands to the left hand of God, the angel of resurrection, mercy, vengence, death, revelations. He presides over Paradise, the spirit of truth, angel of war. Raphael ---Guardian of the Tree of Life; Angel of the "Sun" --- Raphael's quadrangle is SOUTH. "God had healed" Labbiel. One who watches, guide of the underworld, regent of the sun, governer of the south, guardian of the west, guardian of the tree of life, angel of healing, angel of the Sun. Quote from "Book of Tobias"; ' After the healing of the elder Tobias, Azarias, made himself known as " the angel Raphael, one of the seven , who stand before the Lord.' Uriel ---Flame of God--- Uriel's quadrangle is North. The Flame of God, regent of the sun, archangel of salvation, watcher of thunder and terror, repentance, interpreter of prophecies and dreams, disclosure of the mysteries of the heavenly arcane. Angel of the constellations ................................................................................................... 4. And I saw, and behold, a tempest was coming from the north, a huge cloud and a flaming fire with a brightness around it; and from its midst, it was like the color of the chashmal from the midst of the fire. 5. And from its midst was the likeness of four living beings, and this is their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. 6. And [each] one had four faces, and [each] one had four wings. 7. And their legs were straight legs, and the soles of their feet were like a round foot, and they sparkled like the color of burnished copper. 8. And human hands were beneath their wings on their four sides, and their faces and their wings were [the same] to all four of them. 9. Their wings joined one to the other; they did not turn when they walked; each one would go toward the direction of his face. 10. And the likeness of their faces was the face of a man, and the face of a lion was on their right, to the four of them, and the face of an ox to their left, to the four of them, and the face of an eagle [was] to the four of them. 11. And so were their faces. And their wings were extended upward; each one had two wings joined to each other, and two covering their bodies. 12. Now each one would go toward the direction of his face; wherever would be the will to go, they would go; they did not turn as they walked. 13. And the likeness of the living beings; their appearance was like fiery coals, burning like the appearance of firebrands; it was going among the living beings; and there was a brightness to the fire and from the fire came forth lightning. 14. And the living beings would run and return, like the appearance of the sparks. 15. And I saw the living beings, and behold, one wheel [was] on the ground beside the living beings for its four faces. 16. The appearance of the wheels and their work was like the appearance of crystal, and the four of them had one likeness, and their appearance and their workings were as a wheel would be within a wheel. 17. When they went, they went toward their four sides; they did not turn when they went. 18. And they had backs, and they were very high, and they were dreadful, and their eyebrows were full of eyes round about-[so it was] to the four of them. 19. And when the living beings would go, the wheels would go beside them; and when the living beings would lift themselves off the ground, the wheels would lift themselves. 20. Wherever there was the will to go, they would go; there was the will to go, and the wheels would lift themselves correspondingly to them, for the will of the living being was in the wheels. 21. When they [the living beings] would go, they [the wheels] would go, and when they would stand, they would stand, and when they would lift themselves up from the ground, the wheels would lift themselves correspondingly to them, for the will of the living being was in the wheels. 22. And there was a likeness over the heads of the living beings, of an expanse like the color of the severe frost extended over their heads above. 23. And beneath the expanse, their wings were straight, one [pointed] toward the other; this one had two that covered, to here, and that one had two that covered, to here, their bodies. 24. And I heard the sound of their wings, like the sound of many waters like the voice of the Almighty-when they went; the sound of stirring, like the sound of a camp; when they would stand, they would let down their wings. 25. And there was a voice above the expanse that was over their heads; when they stood still, they would let down their wings. 26. And above the expanse that was over their heads, like the appearance of a sapphire stone, was the likeness of a throne, and on the likeness of the throne, was a likeness like the appearance of a man upon it above. 27. And I saw like the color of chashmal like the appearance of fire within it round about, from the appearance of his loins and above; and from the appearance of his loins and below, I saw [a thing] like the appearance of fire, and there was a brightness round about it. 28. Like the appearance of the rainbow that is in the cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness round about; that was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord, and when I saw, I fell on my face, and I heard a voice speaking. ................................................................................................... . Resonance 2. Rhythm 3. Melody 4. Harmony 5. Pitch 6. Timbre 7. Toning ................................................................................................... Seven Holy Sacraments 1. Baptism 2. Confirmation 3. Communion 4. Penitence 5. Holy Orders 6. Matrimony 7. Unction with oil ................................................................................................... The Seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit 1. Wisdom 2. Understanding 3. Counsel 4. Fortitude 5. Knowledge 6. Piety 7. Fear of God ................................................................................................... The Seven Corporal Works of Mercy 1. To feed the hungry 2. To give drink to the thirsty 3. To clothes them without clothes 4. To harbor the harborless 5. To visit the sick 6. To visit the imprisoned 7. To bury the dead ................................................................................................... The Seven Spiritual Works of Mercy 1. To admonish sinners 2. To instruct the ignorant 3. To counsel the doubtful 4. To pray for the salvation of thy neighbor 5. To comfort the sorrowful 6. To bear wrongs patiently 7. To forgive all injuries ................................................................................................... The Seven Mortal Sins 1. Pride 2. Greed 3. Lewdness 4. Envy 5. Gluttony 6. Anger 7. Indolence ( Laziness ) ................................................................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Traveller Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 In reply to: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Measured by whom ? And who defines the "measurement" of Time ? I don't think it is important. (2) Really? Can you expand on this thought? well, unfortunately I am not a physicist, but I know that matter is composed of atoms, and atoms particles. (correct me if I am wrong) and those particles are moving. and then everything is moving both on micro and macro level. therefore I said that if particles stop moving, there will be nothing to measure and there will no time. Einstein's twins paradox shows that as the speed of sth nears the light speed, time slows down because particles move slower. so it is possible for time to slow down. but ı find it difficult to get grips with the idea that time slows down as sth nears the light speed. why? what is the relation between speed and time? isn't time an absolute measure of movement regardless of speed? (3) It may be possible, but in regards to our quest to understand the basics of time, and to possibly travel through time, this question shouldnt be given alot of ..er..time. you may be right. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerrTexas Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 I don't think it is important. Unfortunate. I said that if particles stop moving, there will be nothing to measure and there will no time I believe nothing will stop moving, so why spend time on questions that are not assisting you with building a strong foundation for progress? Don't get me wrong, it is good to ask all questions, and then decide which ones need no further thought, and then move on to the questions that DO apply to your journey. .....but then, assuming that everything did cease its motion, let me ask you this... when did they all stop moving ? I am taking an esoteric route, one involving spiritual aspects. By gaining an insight into the very essences of creation. I am not necesssarily looking at time travel with scientific equations or needing mechanical devices to accomplish time travel. Do you realize that you already have been free from the bondage of time and free from all the Laws of Physics? Since I am peering into the essences of creation, the scientific realm will naturally enter into the picture, and science is discovering many things already known by many who have followed different routes of inquiry. As I mentioned before, I can tell you how to travel through time, but it would require alot of effort and discipline on your part. Most people are not able to take such a journey, since the trip involves ripping away the veils that have prevented you from "seeing". To "see" requires sacrifices, and I must admit, I still need to sacrifice some things to ascend as I journey. Einstein's twins paradox shows that as the speed of sth nears the light speed, time slows down because particles move slower. so it is possible for time to slow down. but ı ---(I) find it difficult to get grips with the idea that time slows down as sth nears the light speed. why? --- what is the relation between speed and time? --- isn't time an absolute measure of movement regardless of speed? Ray can answer those questions better than I can, my area of study doesnt really involve this route of inquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time_Traveller Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 well, then are you talking about a physical time travel or mental one? or are they intertwined like motion and time? well, you seem to know how to travel in time. is it something which can be learnt? have you ever travelled in time? would you like to talk about that? what do you mean by saying sacrifices? what kind of sacrifices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainmanTime Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Not wishing to speak for OvrLrd, but... well, then are you talking about a physical time travel or mental one? or are they intertwined like motion and time? The larger reality of our universe is that the integrated combination of Physical and Aphysical are inseparable. You can analyze each one separately, but in order to "remove the veil and see beyond it" you must treat the whole of Creation as a single, integrated entity. Thus Physical+Aphysical = ALL.This is what we are talking about. In another thread I am attempting to establish a firm foundation for the Physical side (using existing science with some minor extensions), and at the same time show how the Aphysical side follows the exact same architecture principles as the Physical side, not to mention being completely linked to the Physical by Action/Reaction (or some would call it Cause & Effect). Think of it like this: Physical = Hardware Aphysical = Software You need both for any complex, intelligent system to be able to Create and Perceive. RMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerrTexas Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 Ray, Excellent post. We are hitting both sides of the issue, you are addressing the "physical" facet's in your thread, I am addressing the "Aphysical" facet's in this thread. They are different paths, but entwined together, pointed towards the same destination. Your thoughts are always welcome and a crucial part of this thread. The same goes for almost every contributor to this endeavor. (1)well, then are you talking about a physical time travel or mental one? or are they intertwined like motion and time? (2)well, you seem to know how to travel in time. is it something which can be learnt? (3) have you ever travelled in time? would you like to talk about that? (4) what do you mean by saying sacrifices? what kind of sacrifices? (1) A spiritual one, with SOUL, Brother. (2) It is. (3) Yes, No. (4) There are veils that we create as we move through the journey of life, these veils block us from "seeing" the truth of ourselves and creation. The reality of existence masked by our ego's, personalities, beliefs, and other factors of this Earth accepted within your mind. I wrote about harmonics and frequencies. If you re-read this thread and follow the links I provided in support of what I presented, you will discover how crucial "vibration" is to understanding time ( and all of creation ), you will also find that equilibrium and balance, are of primary importance. Harmony is needed to obtain a balance required to "tune-in" to the vibrations of existence. Sacrifice... If I smoke, If I don't exercise, If I become burdened by sin, my balance and equilibrium will become twisted and tweaked. Unless, I sacrifice the smoking sacrifice the time used to "play" ( and use that time to exercise ), sacrifice time to meditate, sacrifice my reactions to others assaults, sacrifice other sinful behavior, only then will I be able to be free or capable of attaining any kind of balance. Without that balance and equilibrium, the chances of success are unlikely. There are many factors that play into achieving the balance I speak of... Sometimes we arent ready to "see" the truth about ourselves, and to do so without proper discipline, and to be caught unaware, could mean disaster. Are you ready to see yourself as you truly are, your ego stripped bare, unmasked before ALL of CREATION ? ................................................................................................... I used to meditate with the idea of wanting to be exactly like Jesus. To be just like Him, as He was when He walked the Earth fulfilling prophecy. Within the 7th session of meditation, I felt myself seperate from the physical body, and I found myself standing within bright light. A figure emerged from glare of the light and HE looked me in the eyes. I "saw" and understood what it meant to be "just like Jesus". Brother, I may as well have been hit on the head with a sledge hammer. The awareness that filled my being was just too much for me to bear. I turned away. I still am haunted by that, turning away, when I understood. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Imagine, As his Apostles slept on that fateful night, The Son of God , standing alone, as He waited for the Romans, knowing what had to take place to fulfill His destiny on Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerubbabel Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Hey OvrLord, Lots of interesting clues here but I narrowed it down to a few that seem really pertinent. "Time and space here are moving in circles." Interesting choice of words here. In my minds eye, I perceive it in much the same way I perceive how the geologic column is actually constructed. Of course, the backbone of evolutionary theory has a great deal to do with the geological column. This is prety much how science plays the movie backwards to get a (very) general idea about the eras that the earth has passed through. Core samples can give us a great deal of information, but it is almost treated as though the earth has stood still for eons for the sake of those who think that they can get "specific" information from the many layers of the earth that are in constant flux--especially those areas which totally disappear when tectonic plates grind against each other and eventually either rise up or get pushed deeper into the earth. It is "like" the layers of an onion if you can perceive the onion as not one layer upon another but a continuous slice that wraps around and around until you get to the very core. The early earth was an "accreting disc" just like everything else in universe was formed, and it is still in flux today--although at a much slower pace. This is also how I perceive time and space "moving in circles". This is not really difficult to comprehend for those who have had a conscious understanding that "what goes around, comes around". We seem to return to the exact spot over periods of time--with some differences, of course--until we get it right. The most prominent of these cycles just happen to be "crisis points" in our lives, i.e., 7 years old, 14 years old, 21 years old, 28 years old, 35, 42, 49, 56, 63, 70, 77, 84, 91, 98, 105. "Know you their law, and you too, shall be free." We know some of these laws--such as the one above about ages--, and others too. Some of these laws, as you so aptly pointed out, are not "comprehension" problems, but conceptual problems. Science seems to be going "full-bore" to attack some of these conceptual problems--and everything seems to be on the table. Unfortunately, for many, just the mention of some of these conceptual problems give some the license to believe that this is actually the way it is. Many worlds hypotheses come to mind along with some very esoteric ideas that have a certain "romantic" appeal to them, but just don't add up to the "ancient" knowledge. Even the Bible foretells of a time when the "Euphrates shall be dried up" which means, to me, that eastern thought will make inroads into western thought which will, in turn, open us up to the "inward way" combined with the "outward way". Aye, free shall you be to move Through the cycles-- This, to me, is what the promise is all about. There is some literature "out there" that has intimated at just what this may entail. We are not talking about astral travel here. We are talking about literal, physical travel between worlds where space and time is irrevelant. We are going to have to "invent" new ways of "telling time". "pass WE the guardians that dwell at the door." This, again to me, is why paradox is impossible in this "kingdom". We may look at these guardians as "angels", but they are much more than that. You might even say that they are US and we would certainly not want to adversely affect ourselves in any way that would preclude us from being a part of this kingdom. We have to think in the same terms that denizens of this "reality" think--that is; "before Abraham was, I AM." In other words, from OUR viewpoint here, we die, we get laid to rest, we are in our graves for an eternity. From "their" point of view, we are already there enjoying all the fruits of timelessness. This creates a "paradox" here that is severe enough to cause entirely different worldviews to clash with each other. An obvious example of this are those who believe that when you die, you go to heaven. Others believe that when you die, you sleep until the resurrection. Whole religions are built around just this one simple idea. From the worldview of eternity--both can fit quite nicely into the reality. Forth were WE formed after our order: THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT and NINE I believe that we have addressed this to quite an extent (the sevenfold spirit, the seven notes of the scale, the seven thunders, the seven "orders" of creation, etc.) Again, to me, this is total fulfillment of all forms of communication--about that which cannot be communicated by any "normal" means. That which was nameless, formless, timeless--created a perfect way to address the definition of the "thing", giving it form, and placing "space" around it to give it an "apparent age" as though it has always existed. "that WE descend from unto man. ----------------Hmmmm...Tree of Life come to mind ?" Most definitely!! Again, more layers of the onion. "Watcher of thunder... Uriel's quadrangle is North. ................................................................................................... Interesting to note that in Ezekeil, the tempest comes from the North, with thunder...Hmmmmm...and Uriel's Quadrangle is the North, and is considered to be the watcher of the thunder. Truly, more is contained behind the obvious we are reading in these texts." You are absolutely right here. What clearly comes to mind is the Seven Thunders. Daniel was given specific instructions to NOT disclose the Seven Thunders. It was to be sealed until the end. Well, here we are AT the end. I believe that this is to be understood also, and I can see WHY it was not to be disclosed until now. There was to be millenia of martyrs blood--TO MAKE UP THE NUMBER!! The seven thunders are nothing more--and nothing less-- than the seven specific periods in the life of Christ that CEMEMTED the truth of His Being. Each of these periods were PROCLAIMED which is actually what thunder means. They were seven proclamations that made us aware of what was happening--namely that MESSIAH was here. At each of these junctures, Christ was proclaimed as Son of God. They are: His birth, His Baptism, His Incarnation, His Crucifiction, His Resurrection, His Ascension, and finally His appearance at Pentecost that was accompanied by great sound that was heard throughout Jerusalem and tongues of fire. Thus began the greatest evanglization the world has ever seen. Oh yeah, it definitely came from the North which is where Christ is seen to be "today" as High Priest and King in the Holy of Holies. Of course, "today" is from the foundation of the world and lasts until the "eternal day". ................................................................................................... "I also noticed this... Know you their law, and you too, shall be free . It doesnt say "THE" law, but indicates persons..."their" law. Very important to know. Far beyond man's conception, Conception is an interesting choice of terminology here. Why wasnt the word "comprehension" used, or "understanding" ? Far beyond man's conception.... Any ideas as to the meaning of this sentence ?" This is the most important of all for it really embodies everything else. There are "laws" involved here that anyone who has actively involved themselves in an attempt to bring about concensus. EVERYONE has an agenda. Everyone has beliefs that are "set in stone". No matter how hard you try, the "ball" bounces back and forth and each tries to impress the others with their particular worldview. Each of those "seven" were the complete embodiment of their particular form of "communication". There was no higher understanding. They were "it". Yet, together, they were truly more than "all". It brings to my mind an experiment (reality experiment but experiment nonetheless), amongst twelve of us who endeavored to come to an understanding as to what "this" was all about. I'm not talking about twelve drifters here. I'm taling about twelve people who were about as strong as you can get (within humility) and who were firmly tethered to their specific viewpoints. The task was to bring all of us to a "center" which we could all agree to without compromising "mores" or unchanging beliefs. Needless to say, there was constant friction and endless attempts to divert the center to their particular view. It was only by "conscious" agreement to put "Christ" at the center did we make any headway. Eventually, over a period of months, we reached a point where nothing else mattered. This was the most important thing possible and UNITY was more than just a concept to be hoped for. It became a reality. We came to understandings about things that could not have happened otherwise. We have all gone our separate ways but not without the knowledge that any attempt to do this will meed with STIFF resistance from forces that are from without. This is a subject for another time, but there are definitely LAWS involved and if we can familiarize ourselves with these "natural" forces, the natural result is that we can "overcome" the "limits" that prevent us from reaching that which is seemingly unreachable--such as time!! Thanks again for your imput. Very intuitive stuff!! ................................................................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainmanTime Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Biblical Trees: Of Life, Of Knowledge (good/evil) OvLrdLegion & Zerubbabel: Just felt it a good TIME to share these thoughts. Genesis 2:9 - (The numbers are significant here! A pointer to a math model. 2 Trees. Nine nodes each.) And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (Emphasis mine) The connection to the Qabalistic Tree Of Life here is obvious. If anyone has read several of my other posts here, they should be able to figure out this connection between the Bible and Science.In this post I'd like to focus on the other SPECIFIC tree that the Bible mentions as accompanying the Tree Of Life... the Tree Of Knowledge (with the add-on descriptor telling us "of Good and Evil"). I think we can all agree, as humans, that KNOWLEDGE is a concept we align with our heads...specifically our brains. Right? I think we can also all agree, as humans, that our heads are our most effective processors of INFORMATION... specifically our brains. Right? If you accept this, then I would like to propose a statement of Truth about our Shared human condition and ask anyone/everyone to see if they either agree or disagree with this statement: Fact: The human body, and specifically the human head, is a System that seeks to continually accrue and apply Knowledge through the operational (TIME-based) processing of Information. Agree? Disagee? Discuss? If you accept this premise as fact, then look at the following progression that relates to the scientific case I have been explaining elsewhere: _Tree Of Knowledge_ ____||_______/\_____ ____\/_______||_____ ___(INFORMATION)____ ____||_______/\_____ ____\/_______||_____ _____(ENERGY)______ ____||_______/\_____ ____\/_______||_____ ____(MOMENTUM)____ ____||_______/\_____ ____\/_______||_____ (MASSIVE_SPACETIME) Dimensions of Existence. Discrete levels of Awareness. RMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerrTexas Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 Re: Biblical Trees: Of Life, Of Knowledge (good/evil) I believe we do have divisions that reflect the Tree of Life, however, these divisions are not with definitive edges. They "blur" into the other regions. So even when pondering "the mind", which we would classify as "The Brain", there is much more than a physical/chemical process involved. The mind is kind of like a translator between the esoteric and the physical realms. KNOWLEDGE is a concept we align with our heads Yes. This knowledge, from various sources is then processed and run through different "filters", the resulting KNOWLEDGE filed away, perhaps altered after traveling through these filters. I.E... emotional, ego, prejudices, etc... Or a more accurate description would be the application of the knowledge, stored in the memory banks, then applied through the "filters". Fact: The human body, and specifically the human head, is a System that seeks to continually accrue and apply Knowledge through the operational (TIME-based) processing of Information. Agree? Disagee? Discuss? I agree for the most part, the TIME-based processing I am unsure of exactly to what you refer to....the mind in itself has no idea what "time" it is. It measures its movement from one event to the next. Any measurements as to length of time, is completely depending upon ones perception of the passing events. I had a friend that took part in a sensory depravation expereiment, locked in a dark room with all senses blocked from any input. He had no idea how long he had been in that room. Time became meaningless once the mind had no input as to the passage of events. The physical body may not be able to travel in time, since it has been born as partof the Earth, but the mind, existing in more than one plane, can travel through time. I havent heard of the essences that make up an individual aging...the chemical process of the brain DO change, but the true self doesnt. Even today, at 45, in my dreams I am still a young man and in the dreams I havent changed a bit from age. From what I have studied in this thread, alot of material actually is missing, since there is no way to post all of the available information, however, perception and awareness are the Keys to traveling through time. Am I on track with your thoughts..as with most of the posts from you and Zerubbabel , it takes some time to ponder before posting a reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wa1ex Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Re: Biblical Trees: Of Life, Of Knowledge (good/ev Overlord when you stated that "the mind in itself has no idea what "time" it is" you made me realize that ever since I was a kid I always wondered why dreams sometimes appear to be very lengthy even though it only takes a couple of minutes of sleep time. Time in the physical world os totally different than what goes on in our mind...but i could be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainmanTime Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Re: Frequency = The Key Of Time OvLrd: With regard to the question of Frequency and its inter-relationship with Time, it is clear that modern science supports and validates what is being said in the ancient texts you quote from. The scientific relationship between Time and Frequency can also be used to help someone understand what "traveling through Time" would really "look like"... IOW, how it would really manifest. Our physical perception of Time and its passage is directly linked to the Electromagnetic Spectrum (which is defined by Frequency ranges). We perceive Time passing as it does because we "live within" a narrow band in the E/M spectrum that we call "visible light". So if the entire E/M spectrum represents "the universe of Time" (and it does), then the narrow band of visible light would be considered humanity's "address"...our place in Eternal Time. Certainly we can also see and understand that there are "other addresses in Time" next door to us on either side, and further down the "street". If one wishes to shift (travel) to a different "address in Time", it necessarily means you will have to shift to a different "center/tuned frequency" within the E/M spectrum. And the structure of Beings at those other addresses in the E/M spectrum are most certainly going to be different from our human physical energetic structure. All of this leads to the consideration that there ARE "other beings" living in our universe, and they might be right here with us, just "shifted" in the other frequencies. I posit that the "non-physical", higher parts of ourselves (i.e. Mind, Soul, Spirit) actually are physical Beings that are simply operating "in parallel" with us, but in different frequency bands on the E/M spectrum. Whaddya think? RMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerrTexas Posted August 7, 2006 Author Share Posted August 7, 2006 Re: Frequency = The Key Of Time Ray and Zerubbabel, I believe we have established a solid foundation. The question I have, is where to go from here? ...dreams sometimes appear to be very lengthy even though it only takes a couple of minutes of sleep time. And do you also realize that in your dreams that you can also do many things without the limitations of the Laws of Physics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainmanTime Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Re: Frequency = The Key Of Time OvLrd & Zerubbabel: Ray and Zerubbabel, I believe we have established a solid foundation. The question I have, is where to go from here? So many answers to that question, friend OvLrd. And all of them are probably equally "right", right? The One answer (of many) that seems to make sense for me is that I have a certain (large) amount of FAITH that we are fully immersed in-the-flow of Creating where we DO go from here. I have a certain amount of BELIEF that as we openly discuss these concepts, we "inadvertently" (or is that purposefully?) FIND OUR WAY along the Direction that needed to be traversed. Know what I mean?For me, I have noticed a certain "coagulation" of several threads here lately. It is hard for me to explain... but I just have a sense that several things are coming together, in a non-linear fashion, across a coupla different threads. MMMMMaybe I am justaaaaa CRRRRRRAZY! :yum: :devil: RMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerrTexas Posted August 7, 2006 Author Share Posted August 7, 2006 Re: Frequency = The Key Of Time The thing that came to mind in order to make progress, was to actually begin an appilcation of what has come to light in these threads. So as I meditated last night, something came up... One thing that exists besides the acceptance of responsibility for ones own actions, is that humanity is a society of WANT. Always in the WANT. Even when we meditate or pray, we do so with a WANT. This brings in INTENTION. These two ... er ... qualities are intertwined. As I sit down, and begin to meditate, what is my INTENTION ? Usually, it because I WANT something...to become ONE with The Absolute, to find spritual balance, always a WANT. I decided to try and meditate without wanting anything. Just sit and be. Very hard to do. Even in sitting down just "TO BE" has an INTENTION and WANT. Of course, I just started this avenue of experimentation, so it will be interesting to experience the results with each event. It occurred to me that all day and all night,we are always in some sort of a WANT mode. All around us, we are are hammered by advertising telling us about things to WANT. They ( and there is a whole lot of theys ) make it as though we NEED all this stuff... and sometimes we buy into the barrage/assualt and WANT the things we dont really NEED. I dont mean just material stuff either. The margin between WANT and NEED is vast in this age. There is a whole lot we dont really NEED. And I understand that almost every problem we have in our world is because of the distortion between the WANT and NEED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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