PaulLev Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 As some of you may know, I write time travel stories, I also write about time travel, and review my favorite time travel movies and television shows on Infinite Regress. I am also in touch with Sierra Waters (see the thread on her somewhere on the board). Late last night, I obtained this horrifying video from November 7, 2008 ... we all have the power of free will ... it need not turn out this way ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darby Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Paul, The video wasn't horrifying, it was silly. If you want to tell people to get out and make sure they vote, tell them to get out and vote. But knock it off with the Gestapo tactics. OK? (And because it was a spam post I don't actually expect that you'll be back to respond.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulLev Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 Well, you obviously expected wrong, because here I am back to respond. Your sense of humor or satire apparently isn't quite up to par either - "Gestapo"? I doubt you even know what that means. The Gestapo did all they could to stifle communication. (You're probably thinking of Goebbels, and their propaganda - but the Gestapo had nothing to do with that.) And you also apparently don't know what "spam" is, either. My post is about time travel - obviously, in a satirical sense - and is relevant, obviously, to this board. Anything else you'd like education about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darby Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Paul, Actually, I do know what Gestapo means. The full German is geheime Staatspolizei or state secret police. Their job was internal intelligence, counter-intelligence, concentration camp administration, correctness of political thought and deed, and ensurance of compliance with Nazi law. They accomplished it with bullying tactics (and other more "persuasve" tactics like murder). The reference is to the video - and it was a silly film - the tactic to get out the vote. There was no hint in your post that it was humor. Rather, it seemed a scare tactic. As I said in the first post; if you want people to get out and vote then say to them, get out and vote. But the tactic of making them think that they might somehow be singled out, tarred and feathered for not voting is silliness...not to mention that it's their right to vote or not vote. It's ensurance of political correctness taken to it's "obvious" hysterical extreme. Very Gestapo-like. Know what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulLev Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 Ok, you do know what the Gestapo was - or just looked it on Wikipedia. But, in either case, you're still suffering from a bit of humor-impairment if you think the video was designed to scare anyone, or would indeed really scare anyone. Rather, it's an example of hyperbole - you know, exaggeration? - to make a satirical point with a political message. But if you prefer the boring repetition of a message - "go out and vote" - to a little creative spice, be my guest. No one forced you to watch the whole one-minute+ video, did they... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recall15 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 To much Rhetoric Darby!!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanigo2 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Actually he is right there Darby(recall is) lotta splash videos...lately. Here is one I made for a forum Mod at glp. SHR for president-- but apparently the proof I was going to show you is Now been deleted.. http://home.mindspring.com/~kanigo8/2008.06.01_arch.html#1213739088907 This is just another video pun.. I watched it.. and felt like--- this is way old. can we move on already? (I was here and watched it as the OP posted it) Yawn.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darby Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Ok, you do know what the Gestapo was - or just looked it on Wikipedia. Yes, I know what the Gestapo was and what the word means - GEheime STAats POlizei. It's an acronym. And, no. I didn't have to look it up on Wiki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darby Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 And as to the "spam" comment it goes back to the posts that you've made here. There are six. Three are to promote Sierra Waters (whom I suspect to have been one of your students but definitely your protege, if she exists at all, considering that virtually every word written about her on the Internet refers back to you) and her book. You did the same thing on Conspiracy Cafe - and there you threw Zeshua into the Sierra Waters mix. The other three posts are on this thread relating to the "don't be the person who gets McCain-Palin elected" silliness. Of course, on your site it's obvious whom you support in the election. It was some pretty sick political spam scare tactics, professor. Oh, yeah. You spammed Conspiracy Cafe with the same thread. Oh, and of course this time you tossed both Sierra Waters and Zeshua into the thread over there. Sorry, but that's how I see it. It was just another spam post. As I said in the original post, if you want people to get out and vote just say so. If you want them to vote for Obama just say so. If you want them to buy Sierra Water's book just say so. But at least be honest with members of an unfamiliar site, OK? BTW: The reference to Sierra Waters as being your protege, of course, assumes that she actually exists other than as a character in your novels. If she doesn't exist, and it's likely that she doesn't, then the spam content is for your personal financial aggrandizement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeNot_0 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 I did not watch the video as I have a slow connection. I can imagine though that it is some emotion that wants to be portrayed. Whether the emotion is shown clear enough to have the desired effect on the other person though, it has to at least not be thought of as "everyone should think this way about that video" type of mind control. So the emotion is in the eye sort of to say of the viewer of the video. That emotion may come out as anxiousness or anger or any other type emotion depending on what the person is wanting to feel at the time the person watches the video. A new type of communication has to form and a more intelligent rendering of actually what it is suppose to be. Anxiousness and fear are supported I am in the opinion of by some people who claim that more emotion should be felt. Sorry, I can not feel anymore emotion until it happens. Therefore as I type I am not really of an emotion (except to put my two-sense in on a subject I can not view) therefore I am going by what has been written. Throughout history ever since WWII the people have been going through these emotions when something really major has not happened and when it does, people seemed to be dumbed-down as to what to do. It is lack of sensitivity to any emotion then and the brain seems to go asleep as if a convenient form of self-hypnosis to deny what is happening. The panic sets in with the anxiousness and the fear of the real happening then. I suggest people wait but be alert as to exactly how they want this planet to feel. It may feedback into something horrible happening in the future while people deny what it is that they are doing and have done. People have to have the intellect and wisdom to actually want to communicate better and that sometimes does not seem to be happening. I call it unethicalness and there is a lot of it going around lately. Sorry I am not in this grabbag of emotional malstroms that people want to give out. There is here also an intellect that has to be attached also so the emotion is controlled and benign behavior results out of people because there must be a Civilization. Every Civilization from the Past, like the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Aztecs, and Mayas do not exist anymore. Some were killed off from a anger type of Europe Civilization that claimed it always new better and it had the technology to do that with. Others were finally dissolved by a benign action out of people claiming to be Christians (the Romans). Whatever Civilization it was though, does not exist anymore. Perhaps remanents exist of it somewhere deep in some humans yet throughout the years, but that may or may not interfere with having a modern Civilization. The rest may just be verbal diahaerra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulLev Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 I didn't "throw" Zeshua Alpha into the mix - you and anyone else is welcome to read what I said in the Conspiracy Cafe about her email - and, indeed, if you read the entire thread (which, for all I know, you did) you'd see that people who have no connection to me whatsoever thought the email from Zeshua was the real thing. (That said, I never claimed, nor do I know, if Zeshua Alpha really traveled in time - only that Sierra Waters received an email from Zeshua.) Here by, the way, is a copy of the email, for anyone who wants to see it. As for Sierra Waters being my student or protege, you're 100% wrong. And, last, since you think the video - which obviously is political satire - is a "sick scare tactic" - if you really believe that, and the term "sick" is not just rhetorical excess, then, well, I feel sorry for you that have such strange standards of "sick". Bottom line: I love time travel, which reflects my fiction, nonfiction, videos, etc. That's what I'm doing here and in the Conspiracy Cafe. If that bothers you - hey, no one is obliging you to read my posts or my novels (which, by the way, can be taken out of any library, and thus have little to do with my "financial aggrandizement" - which, come to think of it, is another example of your loose hyperbole). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darby Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 As for Sierra Waters being my student or protege, you're 100% wrong. I believe that I qualified that assessment, didn't I? There's a third option that your post didn't address - that Sierra Waters is a fictional character existing only as a character in your novel(s) and on the Internet in your blog and posts to CC and TTI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulLev Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 Sorry, I missed that third option, because I got carried away in answering the rest of your post. But to the point: Again, if you read the thread on the Conspiracy Cafe - which you claim to know about - you'd know that I was asked this same question there, last year. My answer: Sierra Waters is a partly fictitious name. I did meet a Sierra, with a two-syllable last name, ending in "s," in the Fall of 1999, and we conversed extensively, and we are still in touch, but in order to protect her privacy I call her "Sierra Waters" in The Plot to Save Socrates and Unburning Alexandria. (The second is a novelette published in the November 2008 issue of Analog: Science Fiction and Fact.) And she goes by that name on the Internet as well. So your third option, as are your first two, is incorrect. Incidentally, Sierra has a MySpace page - we of course are friends there, but she also has lots of other MySpace friends and associations that I know little or nothing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanigo2 Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 SEE-- right there -- as a newbie--- and recognizing-- I have to give ya credit Darby. BUT-- One thing I would like to say-- the OP did own up--instantly! I personally see no need to bash--It was what it was when I saw it. It was also what it was, under correction--Thanks Darby-. Well pretty much a done thread then- the premise was AWFUL(and weak). From here, I would suggest the writer- clean up, step away for a moment , and not use 3 month old material. What you got OP, was probably deserved.. On another note, I am still open to what you can deliver- I see this is just a roadbump... Please post again. (I have read your other material, and it wasnt as bad as this...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulLev Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 Uh .... thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllyB Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Left Wing/ Right Wing....Democratic/Republican. Isn't it just two different ways of presenting the same bone to a pack of dogs? The more barking the dogs make, the greater the impact of the Farce. surely? Or maybe i am deluding myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulLev Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 You're just deluding yourself ... But, more seriously, study of history and the future shows that it does matter who is elected. In the 1930s, for example, Germany elected Hitler, and the U.S. elected FDR ... Two democracies, two very different results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllyB Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I see the principle behind the point you make here. However, personally i wouldn't compare the social/economic states of Germany and the U.S. in the 1930's. Hitler is a prime case-study in brainwashing the larger population into believing that voting a certain way will somehow make your nation rise from the pit it had found itself in. Remind people of the shame and promise a way back to grace. It also helps to do that with a vast amount of charisma. Charisma as certainly a magical force, that can alter public perception en mass. Thats before you start looking at the German branch of the Golden Dawn and their interests in Hitler at the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdrkid Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Re: Horrifying Video from Just a Little in the Fut To Darby: You once told me that anyone that mentions Hitler automatically loses the argument "Godwins Principle" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law Comparing Paul with the NAZI empire is not fair. I am a republican and McCain/Palin lost fair and square. A humorous video aside, we need to tolerate other points of view. You also said that if I were in your forum you would kick me out. Now if anything is similar to the book burning Gestapo that statement is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulLev Posted November 9, 2008 Author Share Posted November 9, 2008 Re: Horrifying Video from Just a Little in the Fut Thank you - it's reassuring to find someone who values and practices tolerance and rationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanigo2 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Re: Horrifying Video from Just a Little in the Fut Funny you should mention that HDR.. what are you doing out of your thread? You never post anywhere else in here. This is the first time I can rememeber seeing ya doing that. Ahh.. and look you came over to chase/correct Darby, how cute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulLev Posted November 9, 2008 Author Share Posted November 9, 2008 Re: Horrifying Video from Just a Little in the Fut "Funny you should mention that HDR.. what are you doing out of your thread? You never post anywhere else in here. This is the first time I can rememeber seeing ya doing that. Ahh.. and look you came over to chase/correct Darby, how cute..." Your analysis is a little too Darby-morphic - I came over here because I was the OP, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanigo2 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Re: Horrifying Video from Just a Little in the Fut Your HDR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My_Time Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Re: Horrifying Video from Just a Little in the Fut The plot thickens............lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulLev Posted November 9, 2008 Author Share Posted November 9, 2008 Re: Horrifying Video from Just a Little in the Fut "Your HDR?" No - what on Earth (or other planet) gives you that idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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