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Since this forum is a little slow (in the speed sense, not the mental capability sense,) I would like to spark a debate.

 

Do you belive in God and/or are you religious? Why?

 

Personally I do not believe in God, and I'm almost to the point of being anti-religious. I'll elaborate more as soon as we get some dialogue going.

 

Two religious websites

 

- http://objective.jesussave.us/kidz.html

 

- http://www.landoverbaptist.org

 

Tell me what you think.

 

-jewstinian

 

 

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historically speaking, it's all possible. There was a Jesus and there was a moses.

- That's all fine and dandy, but what I'm really asking is what do you belive? Do you think that a God created the universe? Do you think that you're going to a heaven or a hell when you die? Opinions! That's what I want!

-jewstinian

 

 

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- That's all fine and dandy, but what I'm really asking is what do you belive? Do you think that a God created the universe? Do you think that you're going to a heaven or a hell when you die? Opinions! That's what I want!

 

-jewstinian

sorry, i need to stop posting on different user name's. But, to be honest, I dont even know. I need proof that god's real before I can believe in him.
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I believe in God.

 

It may seem contradictory to most of my posts here, but when things aren't going to plan in life, I don't hold out on 'superstring theory' or anything else to do with science. I pray to God and I believe it helps.

 

That's what it is, a belief. I think the people most afraid of their religion are the fanatics who believe that their God is truer than others. I don't mind other people believing in their own particular deity, and I don't mean that in a condescending manner - like as if I say 'aw it's cute, they think they have a God too' - I'm perfectly open to the fact that others think that my God is a fake.

 

I'm a nearly practicng Catholic. The sex before marriage is my personal vice ;) but I go as often as possible to church and I am a firm believer in 'Do on to others, as you would have others done onto thyself'

 

I believe in heaven. I just find it too hard to believe that at the end of lives, all the thoguhts in our mind just stop... It sounds too much like a kop-out. I believe that our souls continue in another phase of existance.

 

I don't have proof. I don't expect to have to give any. Faith is what it is.

 

James

 

 

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I believe in heaven. I just find it too hard to believe that at the end of lives, all the thoguhts in our mind just stop... It sounds too much like a kop-out. I believe that our souls continue in another phase of existance.

- I have thought about this as well. It's very hard to imagine the concept of you not existing, or you not thinking, huh? The best way I could think of it is (that is if there isn't heaven or hell,) is like being in a coma for a very long time. But yes, it is troubling thought.

 

I don't have proof. I don't expect to have to give any. Faith is what it is.

- Being an atheist, I don't have any proof that God doesn't exist, and I do not expect to give any either. You have faith, I have my "logic."

As for God though, there are a few questions that have been begging for an answer, though they may never find one.

 

* What was before God? Something had to create God right? God cant just come from nothing... it cant be possible that he has been around forever, deciding only a few billion years ago to create the universe. Maybe it can, but again, its a diffucult concept to grasp.

 

* How come there are so many different religions with so many different Gods? If there was a God, why wouldn't he (it?) make sure we knew which religion was correct?

 

That's all I can remember off the top of my head. If I remember the others, I'll post them.

 

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What was before God? Something had to create God right? God cant just come from nothing... it cant be possible that he has been around forever, deciding only a few billion years ago to create the universe. Maybe it can, but again, its a diffucult concept to grasp.

You say you believe in logic. Therefore I ask you a question. During the cooling of the earth, when the first set of amino acids formed a strand of protein and created the very basis of what we define as life - what existed before that moment? At what point did life exist? Why is this the only form of life that we are familar with? Why is it impossible to believe that a form of consciousness can exist outside of our lives? The Big Bang... was this the astro-equivilant of amino acids coming together and producing a form of life that could in turn shape the entire universe? Creating a concept of time? Did time exist before this moment?

Sorry for all the questions, but even science leaves a few gaps open...

 

How come there are so many different religions with so many different Gods? If there was a God, why wouldn't he (it?) make sure we knew which religion was correct?

Maybe none of them are correct. Maybe they all are. Religion is not a theory. It is a moral guide for living a life.

 

That's exactly how I feel. For me to believe in something 100%, I need proof.

Do you mean 100% proof? If so then there's no such thing. Even in science, theories make assumptions that certain things don't interfere with results, when of course they do.

Why do you need proof to believe in something. Do you need proof to not believe in something too?

 

James

 

 

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You say you believe in logic. Therefore I ask you a question. During the cooling of the earth, when the first set of amino acids formed a strand of protein and created the very basis of what we define as life - what existed before that moment?

- Yes I do believe in logic, but this question has nothing to do with logic. Your question is one better suited for a scientist, which I most certainly am not. The best I can do is take an educated guess.

 

At what point did life exist? Why is this the only form of life that we are familar with?

- "During the cooling of the earth, when the first set of amino acids formed a strand of protien and created the very basis of what we define as life..." You answered your own first question. If you're asking me to tell you the exact moment, well then that is a question to which no one can provide an answer. I'm confused about your second question though... "Why is this the only form of life we are familiar with?" Could you re-word it, please?

 

Sorry for all the questions, but even science leaves a few gaps open...

- I'm also confused as to why you're asking me all of these questions... I'm no scientist. I said I believe in logic, which is concerned with what is true and how we can know whether something is true. Of course science leaves a few gaps open, its not perfect, but in my opinion, religion leaves wider gaps.

 

Maybe none of them are correct. Maybe they all are. Religion is not a theory. It is a moral guide for living a life.

- Maybe human beings are the problem with religion. Just like communism; a very good idea on paper, but when you add people, everything goes wrong. Our natural want for more (greed,) our natural thirst for power, etc. messes up the system.

 

Do you mean 100% proof? If so then there's no such thing. Even in science, theories make assumptions that certain things don't interfere with results, when of course they do. Why do you need proof to believe in something. Do you need proof to not believe in something too?

- No, I mean to believe in something completely, I need some kind of proof. I have a very hard time in believing things which are only backed by stories, myths, word of mouth, etc.
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Maybe none of them are correct. Maybe they all are. Religion is not a theory. It is a moral guide for living a life.

your half right; half wrong. It is a moral guide for living a life. That part is true, religions is here to give us something to believe in, and live life without killing someone whenever we get mad...

However it is still a theory, in the fact that no one knows if god actually told someone what to write in the bible or if the guy just decided one day to start his own religion. Part's of the bible have been found true (such as Jesus really was a person) where as a lot of it is still a mystery. Thus, if you believe in it, it becomes a theory just as well. Part's of it can be backed up with evidence, as well as some of it could be proven a lie.

 

(For example, was the virgin mary really a virgin? Or did she lie about being a virgin so that her boyfriend didn't get killed. Around that time, if a father found out that an unmarried couple were having sex the guy usually would be killed)

 

 

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personaly i belive one of two things, either that there is a god, and in that cade i beilve that he exist just not have faith in him. Or the later of the two, this one more plausible, that "god" and the other "gods" of different religons were just other beings, perhaps ones that existed before dinosaurs or between humans and dinosaurs. Ants, they are small and not capable of mostly all the things humans can do, to them are we not gods? We can create fire, end their life, give them food, create lodgings for them, do what ever is within our power, and nothign stops us. So if there were a race of "beings" before us that could do more thigns than we could, create light, give life, start fires out of thin air, whatever, wouldn't we consider them gods? And havn't we all played "god" in one way or another with ants? be it seting them on fire with a magnifying glass or dropping them into water or puting sticks in their way. SO wouldn't these being want to have some sadistic fun with our measly newbie race of infeior people?

 

 

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I don't believe that a God created the universe, earth, life, etc just seems to unlikely too me. I don't believe there is a heaven or hell, but I do believe in reincarnation. I think our souls live forever, and we just use different bodies as hosts. When one dies, the body stays, the soul moves on to eventually another host...

 

I guess I believe in the big bang theory. What caused the big bang or what was there before the big bang?

 

Could have been the result of 2 parallel universes colliding. What created those universes? Maybe other universes that collided, before those universes existed. Where did the other universes come from? Same thing, and it goes on and on. I believe there are infinite number of universes, and I believe that the superverse has always existed. Nothing ever created the superverse, it has always just been.

 

 

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I do not believe that a god created the universe or life as we know it. I think that if there is a god and a heaven and god created man.. then, god created me to be the logical free thinker that I am. Thus, I can not see why I would be penalized for my thoughts or my need of proof before believing in something such as gods existence. I honestly hope that there is a god and that all of our questions regarding religion, space, time, etc will be answered in an after life but I find it hard to believe. I tend to believe that after death, all we are left with nothing more than an eternal dirt nap. I think the thing that I hate most about my belief is that I will never know if I was right or wrong.. if indeed I am right. As far as the bible goes.. well, I think that it is full of great moral stories but they are just that.. stories. Lets not forget that the same people that wrote the bible believed the world was flat. I certainly do not object to religion as I truly believe that many people need it in their lives. I am all for it as long as it is positive and helps my fellow man get through the day but for me, I just don't buy it.

 

 

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The act of faith in God can only be fidelistic, as God cannot be logicially explained. If you try to, you only undermine your position. There is no proof of God, and any proofs that been produced, have been severely critizied, and dismissed.

 

I am a logical and free thinker and before I believe, I need sound reason, or compelling evidence that is compatible with logic, to believe.

 

God did not create the universe; he is the universe.

 

The theistic, or popular God cannot exist.

 

Having said that, I do believe in God, what I coin as the absolute reality, not a theistic or sentient God. The totality of this universe, the infinity of existence, is God to me. However this God has no relavence to me. I am not benefited in the slightest, wether he exists or doesn't exist. It is evident that this God is an ethical and moral relativist, and evil is his creation. It is evident that God is indifferent to our plight, wether we are happy or suffering; living or dying; existing or non-existing, does not matter to this God. So I am too, indifferent to this God.

 

In fact the physical God does not exist. Not the God everyone talks about. He is only an abstraction of the mind, but then, so is existence - and we don't exist.

 

What happens after I die? Do I go to heaven or hell?

 

At death, it is total cesseation of you, your memory, and your consciousness. However, you are quantumly regenerated as life again or reincarnated, but it is not you anymore, it's someone else. Life never ends, it is perpetually reborn. This is how the universe conserves life. Again, this has no relvance to you because you are erased the moment you are clinically dead.

 

There is no "soul" and nor is a soul required for reincarnation.. The principle of the rebirth cycle I stated above, is a scientific one, that energy is transferred from one form to another. The particles that compose one, will once again restructure to form a conscious organism.

 

We are a complex structure of atoms, that have combined to form us. Similarily, the atoms that bind us, will once again combine to form a consciouss organism again. This is logical.

 

Now, I have a hypothesis, that the universe may have a recycling system. Instead of atoms that were once constituents of a conscious entity, evolving over several millions of years, it redirects, or by implementing infinite mathmatical probability, those atoms to reform as a coded molecule for life; to conserve life. If the universe is a computer system, constantly recycling atoms to create other manifestaions, where individual atoms combine chaotically and eventually combine to form a simple organism, the system eventually knows the correct combination to form complex organisms, and when it recycles, a sub-routine is implemented, that virtually designs the organism to eliminate redundancy. Unblind chance.

 

In layman terms, once life is estalibed, the universe in the subsequent cycle, can do it more efficiently. It is based on these principles, that I theorize, that perhaps life is regenerated instanteously, after every cessation.

 

 

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