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They're really very simple questions.

 

And they won't go away simply by being ignored.

 

How did Zeshua, whoever you think s/he is, know the date of the Pope's death a month in advance?

 

How did s/he know in advance that Terri Schiavo and the Pope would die within days of one another?

 

How did s/he know that Terri would die first, and then the Pope quickly thereafter?

 

How did s/he know that Terri's feeding tube would not be re-inserted?

 

How did s/he know that no violence in the streets would occur over Terri?

 

How did s/he know to warn Sosuemetoo about a coming bad weekend that turned out to include both a divorce and an unexpected death in her family?

 

How did s/he know that America's next 'major event' after May 2005 would be a 'crisis' that came from 'the sky'?

 

How did she know in May 2005 that Australia's drought would last at least another 18 months?

 

How did s/he know all of this stuff? If you think you've got everything all figured out, then explain this to me, because I'd really, honestly, like to disbelieve in Zeshua. Show me a way.

 

- Peter.

 

 

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Nitescott, Sosuemeto, You (Peter Novak) are all regular posters at Godlikeproductions and all cover for each other as is obvious in just the last few posts. You keep harping on the same EXACT so-called prediction fulfillments that anybody could have predicted. My God, they talked about these things in the media for months!! Of course, not to mention the editing capability here at TTI and the lag between the time edited. You guys are so transparent its foolish. I, also, will do as Jmpet said he will do. I will not respond to this garbage again. When trolls like yourselves get the upper hand on this site and constantly keep your threads at the top of the list by using proxies and bouncing off each other (probably as the same person), then the moderators here are not keeping tabs to keep this foolishness down to a minimum. Mock on you foolish hoaxers. The TimeTravelInstitute is becoming TrollCentralInstitute. I'm happy to say that there is another place where REAL discussion is taking place among several who used to post here. I will continue to keep my membership here just so I can pop in once in a while and have a good laugh--just like Godlikeproductions.

 

 

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I really don't want to get into this whole thing, and I'm not accusing anyone of anything.

 

I'm a man of my word, and I give others the benefit of the doubt that they are people of their word.

 

One thing I found interesting was that there was an accusation towards Peter that he hasn't outright, unambiguously denied being Zeshua or involved with her in any way.

 

So Peter, I will take your word for it...

 

Are you Zeshua, or are you involved in anyway with her?

 

 

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No, I am not Zeshua. Is that clear enough for you?

 

But I am "involved" with her. Obviously. I stumbled rather late into the whole Zeshua story. She started posting in February 2005, but I didn't find out about any of it until sometime in April. I almost immediately began corresponding with Zeshua via email, and we had, I think, over a dozen or so emails back and forth. (I don't know the number exactly because I had a computer meltdown a few months back. My motherboard fried. I had the old harddrive put into a new computer, but so far I've proven too stupid to be able to figure out how to get those old emails to display again. Anyway...)

 

I was invited by Zeshua, in either late April or early May 2005, to join a very small group of other people who had also been corresponding privately with Zeshua. I accepted the invitation and was accepted into the group. The group contains ten members altogether, including a systems analyst in Indiana, a grandmother in Canada, a financial analyst in Louisiana, a retiree from Florida, a high school kid in Puerto Rico, an office worker in Michigan, a librarian in Indiana, an educator in Australia, and a small business owner in Illinois.

 

At first Zeshua insisted that the group and its communications were to remain completely private, but later on she gave the go-ahead to share our stuff with others. But we were so conditioned by her earlier adament insistence upon secrecy that we have thus far been reluctant to disclose much that was not already publically available. At a private website known only to us, we have compiled and thus preserved all the public and private correspondence from Zeshua that we know of, including the stuff that was originally posted at TTF, which, if I understand correctly, is now no longer in existence. So we're glad we saved that stuff. We also all posted our own private stuff from Zesbhua there too, but we did withhold certain private stuff that we kept to ourselves. So I do have the record of my emails with Zeshua there, but at this point I'm not sure if there was any other stuff from those emails that I didn't post there.

 

So to be clear, no I am not Zeshua, but yes I am "involved" with her, or was. She has continued to communicate privately with the group, but only very sporadically, and often very mysteriously, with more codes and stuff that none of the group has been able to make any heads or tails out of.

 

We, the group, are collectively not 100% convinced of Zeshua's credibility by any stretch of the imagination, but we remain very impressed and interested in the story, and our collective view of her authenticity is certainly well over 50% to say the least. There is alot of stuff we cannot explain away with any logic, and just basically alot of weirdness all the way around. One of our biggest questions revolves around motive. If this is a hoax, even if we leave out the questions of how the correct predictions were achieved, we are still baffled as to why anyone would engage in a hoax like this. It would have required a great deal of planning and work, as well as the persistecne to continue the charade over 18 months. For what? We have no answer.

 

Nonetheless, we would all very much like to be convinced she is bogus. If anyone here could do that for us, I'm sure we would all very much appreciate it.

 

My posts have different ISPs or whatever because I post from different computers at different times of the day and week, depending on where I am at at any given time.

 

- Peter

 

 

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Nitescott, Sosuemeto, You (Peter Novak) are all regular posters at Godlikeproductions

Interesting accusation. Is that a fact or an opinion? Do you know the difference? Do you have any evidence, at all, of any kind whatsoever, to support that accusation, or is it just your own feverish imagination's voice now being proclaimed as fact?

 

Mock on you foolish hoaxers.

Are you also an ESL student?

- Peter

 

 

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They're really very simple questions.

 

And they won't go away simply by being ignored.

 

How did Zeshua, whoever you think s/he is, know the date of the Pope's death a month in advance?

 

How did s/he know in advance that Terri Schiavo and the Pope would die within days of one another?

 

How did s/he know that Terri would die first, and then the Pope quickly thereafter?

 

How did s/he know that Terri's feeding tube would not be re-inserted?

 

How did s/he know that no violence in the streets would occur over Terri?

 

How did s/he know to warn Sosuemetoo about a coming bad weekend that turned out to include both a divorce and an unexpected death in her family?

 

How did s/he know that America's next 'major event' after May 2005 would be a 'crisis' that came from 'the sky'?

 

How did she know in May 2005 that Australia's drought would last at least another 18 months?

 

How did s/he know all of this stuff? If you think you've got everything all figured out, then explain this to me, because I'd really, honestly, like to disbelieve in Zeshua. Show me a way.

 

- Peter.

no one can know the future, except God.

1 one can only guess and sometimes gets it right.

 

2 do you believe in genies? I believe they do exist. some of them are good and some of them bad, like us, humans. some mediums or psychics take advantage of some of them to learn information about the future because some genies can go to the high heavens to hear the angels talk about some events. but actually it is forbidden for them to do this. and a light follows them before they overhear everything angels say about it. so they mostly add lies to what they hear.

 

if this is not a case of 1, it is certainly a case of 2. zeshua's being a time traveller is out of the question. predicting the future correctly does not prove one to be a time traveller. we need more than that. :)

 

 

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no one can know the future, except God.

 

1 one can only guess and sometimes gets it right.

 

2 do you believe in genies? I believe they do exist. some of them are good and some of them bad, like us, humans. some mediums or psychics take advantage of some of them to learn information about the future because some genies can go to the high heavens to hear the angels talk about some events. but actually it is forbidden for them to do this. and a light follows them before they overhear everything angels say about it. so they mostly add lies to what they hear.

 

if this is not a case of 1, it is certainly a case of 2. zeshua's being a time traveller is out of the question. predicting the future correctly does not prove one to be a time traveller. we need more than that.

All things, it is sometimes said, work together for good. Including Trex's delightful post above.

People often confuse the medium with the message. But it matters not whether a source of valid data about the future is from a time traveler, or an alien, or a genie, or a psychic guess, or a computer program, or anything else you might bring up. It doesn't matter how the data is delivered to us so long as we can trust that the data is correct.

 

It doesn't matter if Zeshua is from the future or not. The only thing that matters is whether or not we can trust her predictions to come true. Everything else is academic.

 

- Peter

 

 

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Nitescott, Sosuemeto, You (Peter Novak) are all regular posters at Godlikeproductions and all cover for each other as is obvious in just the last few posts. You keep harping on the same EXACT so-called prediction fulfillments that anybody could have predicted. My God, they talked about these things in the media for months!! Of course, not to mention the editing capability here at TTI and the lag between the time edited. You guys are so transparent its foolish. I, also, will do as Jmpet said he will do. I will not respond to this garbage again. When trolls like yourselves get the upper hand on this site and constantly keep your threads at the top of the list by using proxies and bouncing off each other (probably as the same person), then the moderators here are not keeping tabs to keep this foolishness down to a minimum. Mock on you foolish hoaxers. The TimeTravelInstitute is becoming TrollCentralInstitute. I'm happy to say that there is another place where REAL discussion is taking place among several who used to post here. I will continue to keep my membership here just so I can pop in once in a while and have a good laugh--just like Godlikeproductions.

Oh you are ever the proffessor arn't you?

Except for that FACT that I have NEVER posted at Godlikeproductions in my life! NEVER! EVER! PERIOD!

 

I actually hate that site.

 

And while you are insulting me and calling me a troll then why don't you search through my previous posts for the last 2 years here at TTI and try to profile me as a troll! Go on!

 

Don't fear mate! I have no desire to talk to you either! GARN GIT!

 

 

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Mr. Novak,

 

"They're really very simple questions.

 

And they won't go away simply by being ignored. "

 

Same can be said for my (& jmpet's) questions and points to you. But I am willing to make you a deal: I will be happy to address each and every one of your so-stated "coincidences" if and only if you address all the questions and points I have made that you have ignored (and I will ask for a statement quite a bit more clear than what you have currently offered). To show my earnestness, I will even be willing to go first but only after you have publicly (here) agreed to answer/address all the issues you have ignored and left behind here. If you provide me a clear statement to this effect, my next post will unambiguously address each and every one of the points from this post of yours. Fair enough?

 

 

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You are absolutely right nitescott. I apologize. I was wrong. I was responding to incorrect information given to me. I have seen sosueme and peter post on Godlikeproductions. I was told that you do do and so I included you as well. That information was later corrected by this individual to mean the Conspiracy Cafe. I will make sure to research any information given to me in the future. As to the honesty expressed by Peter and sharing the information about the group that has been corresponding with Zeshua, it makes a world of difference. It does not change my opinion on that validity of the whole thing, but it does make him human. That I can relate to. Now it is not trolling, per se, but a desire to get to the truth of the matter. That makes it believable. That I can also relate to.

 

With that said, you don't have to tell me to garn git. I'm a gittin.

 

 

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You are absolutely right nitescott. I apologize. I was wrong. I was responding to incorrect information given to me. I have seen sosueme and peter post on Godlikeproductions. I was told that you do do and so I included you as well. That information was later corrected by this individual to mean the Conspiracy Cafe. I will make sure to research any information given to me in the future. As to the honesty expressed by Peter and sharing the information about the group that has been corresponding with Zeshua, it makes a world of difference. It does not change my opinion on that validity of the whole thing, but it does make him human. That I can relate to. Now it is not trolling, per se, but a desire to get to the truth of the matter. That makes it believable. That I can also relate to.

 

With that said, you don't have to tell me to garn git. I'm a gittin.

LOL No probs zerubbabel!

Thanks.

 

 

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Same can be said for my (& jmpet's) questions and points to you. But I am willing to make you a deal: I will be happy to address each and every one of your so-stated "coincidences" if and only if you address all the questions and points I have made that you have ignored (and I will ask for a statement quite a bit more clear than what you have currently offered). To show my earnestness, I will even be willing to go first but only after you have publicly (here) agreed to answer/address all the issues you have ignored and left behind here. If you provide me a clear statement to this effect, my next post will unambiguously address each and every one of the points from this post of yours. Fair enough?

Sounds good. I'll jump thru your hoops if you jump thru mine. That is, to be specific, I will unambiguously address and do my level best to answer any questions you have regarding this whole Zeshua thing if you agree to unambiguously address and do your level best to answer my questions about this Zeshua thing.

That is all well and good, but I'd like to propose that we raise the stakes a bit further than you suggested. I propose that we agree to do our level best to identify exactly where we agree and where we disagree on all points, and in the areas of disagreement, lets try to find out exactly why we cannot agree on those points. In other words, lets see if we can at least agree about what we disagree about.

 

Can this happen? Can two strangers have a conversation on the internet without it degenerating into conflict? I believe it can. Civilization is not dead yet.

 

Let it begin.

 

- Peter

 

 

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>>It doesn't matter if Zeshua is from the future or not. The only thing that matters is whether or not we can trust her predictions to come true. Everything else is academic.<<

 

Then you miss the point entirely. If it doesen't matter whether or not Zeshua is a time traveler then her time traveling story is nolo contendre which puts her into the realm of the supernatural. In that case, she belongs with "The Paranormal"- definetly not here.

 

 

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I don't agree with none of it, keep it out of here. I do suppose the ramifications of a supposed possible quantum theory and the possible results which won't be known for a time yet. That is time travel and it may be real as soon as the experiment by Kramer is done. As for the rest of it, if you want e-mails from the Past from your computer, then put on the program that was on it when you received those e-mails. If that is is the old e-mail program you will need that one, and if it is Outlook Express, you need the version that was on your old computer at the time.

 

The rest is subject to a real debate not this kind of accusations out of anyone. The Supreme Court holds you all in Contempt.

 

That also is like saying that some people think that they have seen a UFO whether it is real or they can prove it or not. Until a real explanation comes about any of it, then it may be construed to be time traveling. 58% of the Scientists as of 1995 believe that there are parallel universes. Perhaps some of you in a sense are trying to argue with the scientists and you have not produced your own theories or offered anything else except condemnation and accusations.

 

If you need your hands slapped with a ruler from a Nun, go find one.

 

 

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Nitescott, Sosuemeto, You (Peter Novak) are all regular posters at Godlikeproductions and all cover for each other as is obvious in just the last few posts.

Not so simple. I haven't been to Godlikeproductions in over a year. I don't ever remember posting there, if I ever have.Peter is also a trusted friend of MINE. He didn't perpetrate this hoax, I assure you.

 

Of course, not to mention the editing capability here at TTI and the lag between the time edited.

I have the original posts logged, when they were made by Zeshua while she was here. I went through them a few days ago and I've found no difference in what is here now.
When trolls like yourselves get the upper hand on this site and constantly keep your threads at the top of the list by using proxies and bouncing off each other (probably as the same person), then the moderators here are not keeping tabs to keep this foolishness down to a minimum.

I am not a troll. I've been a member here almost 3 years, a lurker for almost four. Trolls come on here merely to accuse and throw dirt. I'll let the owner here decide who fits that bill.Happy Holidays.
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Mr. Novak,

 

"I will unambiguously address and do my level best to answer any questions you have regarding this whole Zeshua thing"

 

No. Not "this whole Zeshua thing". Only the points made in response by myself and jmpet to your interpretations of Zeshua. No more, no less.

 

"if you agree to unambiguously address and do your level best to answer my questions about this Zeshua thing."

 

I have only agreed to address your as-stated points above, because you continue to harp on them as if they are significant. I will address no more and no less.

 

"That is all well and good, but I'd like to propose that we raise the stakes a bit further than you suggested. I propose that we agree to do our level best to identify exactly where we agree and where we disagree on all points, and in the areas of disagreement, lets try to find out exactly why we cannot agree on those points."

 

Since you have demonstrably adopted the technique of applying your own thoughts, beliefs, and interpretations to the literal words of another (Zeshua), I am sure you would have no problem with me adopting this same technique with your words. So my interpretation of what Peter is saying here (which could well be true) is that he is playing a game. His use of the words "raise the stakes a bit further" reveals this interpretation to be a reasonable view. In "raising the stakes" it appears that Mr. Novak wants to continue this discussion ad nauseum so as to give him a platform for his continued "sales" of the Zeshua story, and to spread more propaganda that will assist "team Zeshua" in achieving their self-centered goals. I would like to ask jmpet if he thinks this is a reasonable interpretation of Mr. Novak's "code".

 

And now, I will do precisely what I committed to do. It is my hope that you will abide by your pledge to address those points made to you that you have yet to address.

 

{How did Zeshua, whoever you think s/he is, know the date of the Pope's death a month in advance?}

 

S/he did not know this, and never did she specifically state that this was the date the pope would die. You have inferred it from several things that are not explicit. To be clear: Zeshua never stated "the pope will die on April 3rd 2005." Your inference that this is what Zeshua meant relies on one flimsy assumption: That an American who is overseas would necessarily adopt the European standard for citing a date. If this assumption cannot be proven to be true, then your link between the date cited when Zeshua asked "What would happen if the pope died?" is dead. Personally, I worked in Germany for a period of 8 months out of 12 in the early 1990s, and never did I write to my friends and countrymen in the USA and adopt the European form for citing a date. When dealing with Europeans I may have, but if I were writing to Americans on an American website I would use the American standard date format.

 

{How did s/he know in advance that Terri Schiavo and the Pope would die within days of one another?}

 

Zeshua never stated, nor even implied, this as a prediction anywhere in his/her posts here on this site. This was your interpretation (and thus subject to error) by stretching the literal meaning of the few words s/he made on this topic.

 

{How did s/he know that Terri would die first, and then the Pope quickly thereafter?}

 

Zeshua never stated, nor even implied, this as a prediction anywhere in his/her posts here on this site. This was your interpretation (and thus subject to error) by stretching the literal meaning of the few words s/he made on this topic.

 

{How did s/he know that Terri's feeding tube would not be re-inserted?}

 

Zeshua never stated, nor even implied, this as a prediction anywhere in his/her posts here on this site. This was your interpretation (and thus subject to error) by stretching the literal meaning of the few words s/he made on this topic.

 

{How did s/he know that no violence in the streets would occur over Terri?}

 

Zeshua never stated, nor even implied, this as a prediction anywhere in his/her posts here on this site. This was your interpretation (and thus subject to error) by stretching the literal meaning of the few words s/he made on this topic. Moreover, predicting a "negative event" such as this is far from amazing, even if Zeshua did do it (which s/he didn't). Violence in the streets of America in response to a major news event is a rareity. Indeed lack of violence in such cases is the norm. So predicting this would be equivalent to predicting that the sun will rise tomorrow. Statistically it is insignificant, despite the fact that Zeshua did not predict this.

 

{How did s/he know to warn Sosuemetoo about a coming bad weekend that turned out to include both a divorce and an unexpected death in her family?}

 

The simplest of all. Because "Sosuemetoo" is part of your sycophantic Zeshua "clique" who, like you, does not critically question Zeshua's "predictions", and given her rush to always support the Zeshua story and you, she is simply part of the "clan". She can claim anything she wants, but claims do not constitute verifiable evidence that this did, in fact, occur. I could say more about the subjective nature of saying "you are going to have a bad weekend" and tying this to a specific event, but I will save that for later when you deny and/or argue against all of these answers.

 

{How did s/he know that America's next 'major event' after May 2005 would be a 'crisis' that came from 'the sky'?}

 

This is the one that deserves the most detailed response because it is so clear that you are invoking "confirmation bias" to make this fit. First, it has already been pointed out to you that hurricanes come from the sea and not from the sky. Further evidence that this is not a match is proven that the major damage that occurred in New Orleans was not due to wind, but due to the levees bursting and thus it was damage from the sea, not the sky. But more evidence of your confirmation bias in your decision to "assign" Katrina to Zeshua's "prediction" is evident when you look at the long list of other potential events in the US that happened after Zeshua's "prediction" that would just as easily prove her prediction was incorrect.

 

The first, and most ironic "next major event for the US" was one that you also try to assign so much hype to Zeshua. Terri Schiavo. So tell me, why do you ignore the potential of "the next major event for the United States" being the very hotly-debated issue of allowing Terri Schiavo to pass on? This was clearly a major national issue, so much so that Congress even got involved and attempted to prevent her feeding tube from being removed. If Congress gets involved to attempt to enact legislation with regard to something going on in the news, there is little argument that this news story is a "major event". Now you could make the argument that "well, this had nothing to do with anything coming from the sky", and indeed this would serve to prove Zeshua was wrong about the next major event. But this (the death of Terri Schiavo) was only the first of many potential candidates for what some might consider "the next major event for the United States." Clearly, we would need a solid definition of "major event" to even begin to assess what Zeshua was really trying to predict. My view is she was not predicting anything. She was casting a wide net and hoping to catch something. But now let's look at other potential "major events" that happened before Katrina:

 

1) Georgia court suspect escapes from custody and kills 3 people in the process - March 11, 2005.

 

2) Minnesota shooting rampage of Jeff Weise - March 21, 2005.

 

3) Off-course general aviation airplane strays off-course near the White House - May 11, 2005.

 

4) US Senate standoff on GW Bush's supreme court nominees - Resolved in late May 2005.

 

5) Watergate era informant known as "Deep Throat" revealed to be Mark Felt - Also late May 2005.

 

6) Justice Sandra Day O'Conner resigns from the supreme court - July 1, 2005.

 

7) Reporter jailed for failing to testify in the Valerie Plame CIA leak case - July 6, 2005.

 

8) Presidential advisor Karl Rove named as the source of the Valerie Plame leak - July 10, 2005.

 

9) Senate approves making most of the provisions in the PATRIOT Act permanent - July 29, 2005.

 

10) Governors of New Mexico and Arizona declare "states of emergency" in their states due to the border issue and illegal immigration - August 12-16, 2005.

 

{How did she know in May 2005 that Australia's drought would last at least another 18 months?}

 

Zeshua never stated, nor even implied, this as a prediction anywhere in his/her posts here on this site. This was your interpretation (and thus subject to error) by stretching the literal meaning of the few words s/he made on this topic.

 

{How did s/he know all of this stuff? If you think you've got everything all figured out, then explain this to me, because I'd really, honestly, like to disbelieve in Zeshua. Show me a way.}

 

I and others have been showing you a way, but you are not acknowledging it perhaps because you do not agree it is "a way". However, logical, critical analysis looking for specific "hits" and "misses" does not permit using vague generalities. But like I say, you are not likely to see this as "a way to disbelieve Zeshua". So let me give you another:

 

Instead of focusing on those "predictions" (or inventing predictions s/he did not make) how about also considering those things s/he said that clearly were predictions, and which it would seem were complete misses:

 

- A Pre-emptive strike occurs between two war bound countries in Europe/Asia.

 

- 2 Federal buildings are completely destroyed.

 

- A Sudden outbreak of influenza.

 

- The Patriot Act ends up in court, its powers used to spy on civilians "For their own good"

 

- A 3rd becomes next.

 

- A Massive Financial meltdown that puts the Euro as the preferred Global Currency. Repercussions abound to the almighty US Dollar.

 

- A New form of computer virus programmed by a small team of individuals sweeps the globe within 24 hours.

 

- The Telluride Occurrence

 

There we go. Nicely wrapped-up and tied with a bow, just in time for Christmas for you Mr. Novak. I hope you enjoy and appreciate these logical answers to your ficticious "predictions" you have assigned to the words of Zeshua. I certainly hope you now keep your end of the bargain. However, if I might do a little predicting of the future, you will likely not keep your end of the bargain, and instead you will begin to argue the logical statements I have made above to address your "burning issues".

 

Now that I have addressed your issues, they can go away. But somehow I feel that you will not let them go away. That is your choice, not mine.

 

Good day, sir.

 

 

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"I have the original posts logged, when they were made by Zeshua while she was here. I went through them a few days ago and I've found no difference in what is here now."

 

This statement is demonstrably false when you notice that on more than one post by Zeshua the "Edited by" annotation is present at the bottom of the post. Further to this fact, are you also claiming that the "blank" post that started the thread below was not changed? I would bet that using any one of the web archive facilities one might be able to find out what this post (which is now blank) actually said.

 

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=38488&Forum=All_Forums&Words=Zeshua&Match=Username&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=38488&Search=true#Post38488

 

It also seems that another poster caught Zeshua in an after-the-fact modification to the famous (infamous?) "pope benedict" post, and that poster noted that Zeshua modified the original post to add the words "1Benedict6".

 

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=32528&Forum=All_Forums&Words=Zeshua&Match=Username&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=32528&Search=true#Post32528

 

This post is even one of the ones that Zeshua did modify by editing. So it would seem you are wrong, Sosuemetoo.

 

 

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This statement is demonstrably false when you notice that on more than one post by Zeshua the "Edited by" annotation is present at the bottom of the post. Further to this fact, are you also claiming that the "blank" post that started the thread below was not changed? I would bet that using any one of the web archive facilities one might be able to find out what this post (which is now blank) actually said.

 

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=38488&Forum=All_Forums&Words=Zeshua&Match=Username&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=38488&Search=true#Post38488

I don't deny that particular post had changed. Whatever it was, it changed quickly as I saw it just a few hours after she posted. We do have one way of knowing what she said. Rainman quoted her in his post less than 15 minutes later.

 

[shooting for 20 years .25>.24219, (4*.24219 is .96876~1)*4=3.87504~4 should put this at Feb 22nd 2005]

This is similar to her introductory posts in Feb 2005.
It also seems that another poster caught Zeshua in an after-the-fact modification to the famous (infamous?) "pope benedict" post, and that poster noted that Zeshua modified the original post to add the words "1Benedict6".

 

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=32528&Forum=All_Forums&Words=Zeshua&Match=Username&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=32528&Search=true#Post32528

My only argument was that I was sitting on that thread when it occurred. I posted before ModerndayTT did. It is possible MDTT did not see the entire message.
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"I don't deny that particular post had changed. Whatever it was, it changed quickly as I saw it just a few hours after she posted. "

 

I am glad you agree that the post changed. I would hope you would also agree that other posts of Zeshua could have and did change. Peter has claimed to be looking for ways to disbelieve Zeshua. I will assume that since you are a close acquaintance of Peter's that you would also be earnest in looking for some way to discredit Zeshua and his/her story. If so, I would like you and Peter to think deeply about this very issue: modifying posts after-the-fact. This is another one, of many, areas where as jmpet points out, the Zeshua story just does not make sense... and is self-contradictory.

 

Question: If Zeshua is posting from the future, as s/he has claimed, what possible reason could s/he have for needing to modify a post in the past?

 

If you think about this question viz-a-viz the story as related by Zeshua, you will have to agree that Zeshua, reading this forum from the future, allegedly already has access to not only all of the responses to her posts, but to the posts themselves. Without having to use any form of "quantum tunneling" technology at all, Zeshua in 2025 should have been able to read the entire content of this website, including her own contributions even before she "perfected" this mysterious quantum tunneling technology to "punch thru" to the past and post in 2005. So why would s/he ever need to modify a post? All s/he has to do it cut-and-paste for chrissake!

 

Further to this logical fact, the very fact that s/he had to modify a post of his/hers at all is all the proof that anyone should need to understand that she cannot, in fact, tunnel to the past to post messages. If she could then there would never be any "mistakes" or any need for correcting any of her original posts. The one that sticks out the most is the post-facto modification of the infamous "pope" thread, where s/he added a poetic hidden line about Ratzinger, and then once s/he (the hoaxer) knew which name that Ratizinger had chosen went back to modify that hidden message to add the "1Benedict6" at the end. If s/he really was who s/he claims to be, and really possesses the capabilities that s/he claims, then s/he would have known Ratzinger selected the name Benedict XVI and would have included it in the original message.

 

Now only a fool would try to argue-away this simple fact of temporal logic any further. If you are honest and sincere about seeking out a way to debunk Zeshua, this is one of the simplest and most powerful means: Zeshua should never need to modify any original post whatsoever, since s/he already has access to all of the content of this website in the future, by her own admission. If you and Peter do not relegate Zeshua to the scrapheap of hoaxes at this point, then there can be no other conclusion than it is because you are part of the hoax.

 

END.OF.STORY.

 

 

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