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There are bigger things to worry about, and more important things to expend brain energy on, than whether or not Titor was a hoax. I think it is a joke how seriously people like MEM are taking this, and how much brain power such people expend on this dribble.

I find it interesting to discuss the Titor story, hoax or real. And I respect your opinion that there are "bigger things to worry about" even if you don't respect my view.

May I suggest you simply ignore my post and feel free to discuss any topic related to time travel that you would like. This board is able to support more than one topic at a time in case you were unaware of that capability.

 

Or would you like everyone to stop discussing Titor because you don't like to discuss Titor?

 

 

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the only way that we can resolve this issue 100% is to sit tight for 29 years and see what happens.

That's a personal decision each person needs to make for themselves, i.e. when they have the proof they need that Titor was real or a hoax.

I do not agree with some posters who have the proof they need and then try to push that proof onto others. I really don't understand the reasons why someone would do that.

 

Nor do I understand why people get angry about Titor, especially those who "know" he is a hoax. All he left were words. If someone decides to believe those words and take action then they should also accept the responsibility for those actions. Titor can not make anyone do anything.

 

 

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Ray,

 

I couldn't agree more! The person behind the hoax surely achieved the desired effect, it's a joke really. I WISH that people would focus on what it's going to take to achieve time travel and have such discussions here as opposed to the titor: true or false discussions that plague this board.

 

I often think that people are curious about time travel, google it and end up here... that's what happened to me :) but instead of engaging in realistic meaningful conversations regarding our perception of time and time travel, as the physics can be confusing, they are swept away by the fascinating story of JT. It's easier to debate the story than to cook one's noodle over the mystery of time and time travel. I've gotten to the point where I don't even read the threads anymore.. I just browse them for any information worth while... and that is scares these days.

 

I actually feel bad for the younger people who come on this board looking for information and are cheated of reading the better threads, like those that used to be around and are now buried in the archives, and end up getting into the titor hoax.

 

By the looks of things, I don't see it changing any time soon so I will patiently wait out the 29 years and then happily post a "I TOLD YOU SO!" thread.

 

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but instead of engaging in realistic meaningful conversations regarding our perception of time and time travel, as the physics can be confusing,

Well why don't we start here. Any opinion on this article? I'm reading it for the first time and find it interesting and related to tt discussions.

http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/0101/0101077.pdf

 

Any comments about the article would be appreciated.

 

PS - Max sent this link to me when I asked him a question regarding quantum decoherence.

 

 

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And I respect your opinion that there are "bigger things to worry about" even if you don't respect my view.

I respected your view until you went on a rampage and posted something like 10 new threads in a row...all about what/who again?
May I suggest you simply ignore my post and feel free to discuss any topic related to time travel that you would like. This board is able to support more than one topic at a time in case you were unaware of that capability.

May I suggest that you limit your new threads on Titor and it will be much easier for me to do as you suggest. Like others, I get annoyed at seeing 10 new threads in a row, all by the same person, preaching that person's personal issue. I would say that it is at least a bit rude, if not quite a bit rude. Maybe even trollish?RMT
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"By the looks of things, I don't see it changing any time soon so I will patiently wait out the 29 years and then happily post a "I TOLD YOU SO!" thread."

 

But let me correct u: u need not wait 29 years, wait for 2 months or so. Or till December at least and then before u do it, you can see LOTS of "I TOLD YOU SO!" threads.

 

Situation is heatin up now, for the day of realising the truth may not be far. When the day comes, We'll know whether he's a HOAX or not.

 

 

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You better read this Darby (don't just read, but pay attention while you read it)

 

'The Physics of Time Travel:

 

ACCELERATION = TIME DIALATION

 

As pointed out earlier, acceleration will produce time dilation. This can be observed by the "twins paradox". As one twin stays on Earth, the other twin in his accelerating spaceship experiences a slower passing of time. When he returns to Earth, he is noticeably younger than his twin who aged normally in Earth time. This type of "time travel" should have been proven already on this worldline with atomic clock experiments. With sufficient power, this type of time travel will only provide practical displacement in a future direction. This type of time travel is also isolated to a single worldline. You will not meet yourself.

 

GRAVITY = ACCELERATION

 

As Einstein pointed out with his STR, the effects of gravity and acceleration are the same. Therefore, you will experience the same time travel effects in the twin paradox by being close to a large gravity source. In the atomic clock experiments mentioned above, the reason there was a difference in time was not because the clock in the plane was moving, it was because the clock in the well was closer to the center of the Earth. Constant speed is not acceleration.

 

LARGE GRAVITY = STATIC BLACK HOLE

 

The next step is to find a large gravity source to use in your time machine. Static black holes provide this type of power. As one twin approaches the event horizon or edge of the black hole, the other twin will watch him as he appears to slow down. He will notice his twin's watch run slower until it stops at the event horizon. The twin moving toward the horizon will notice none of this and see his watch running just fine. Although possible, a trip into a static black hole will not take you to another worldline and it's one-way. The force of gravity will crush you.

 

ROTATING BLACK HOLE = DONUT-SHAPED SINGULARITY

 

Fortunately, most black holes are not static. They spin. Spinning black holes are often referred to as Kerr black holes. A Kerr black hole has two interesting properties. One, they have two event horizons and two, the singularity is not a point, it looks more like a donut. These odd properties also have a pronounced affect on the black hole's gravity. There are vectors where you can approach the singularity without being crushed by gravity.

 

DONUT-SHAPED SINGULARITY = PASSAGE INTO ALTERNATE WORLDLINE

 

Another other more interesting result of passing through a donut singularity is that you travel through time by passing into another universe or worldline. Please see Penrose diagrams for Kerr Black holes or you can examine the calculations of Frank Tipler.

 

So now the problem becomes where do we find a donut-shaped singularity?

 

A PONDERING HAWKING = MICROSINGULARITY

 

Steven Hawking proposed the existence of microsingularities that were created in the big bang. They were probably about the size of a proton and disappeared over the years due to an effect of radiation evaporation. (Yes, black holes do emit energy.)

 

HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS = ARTIFICIAL MICROSINGULARITY

 

When I first started posting online a few months ago, I said that major breakthroughs in particle physics were around your corner. Soon, CERN will bring their big machine on line and they will be smashing very fast and high-energy particles together. One of the more odd and potentially dangerous items produced from this increase in energy will be microsingularities a fraction of the size of an electron.

 

ARTIFICIAL MICROSINGULARITY = LOCALIZED KERR FIELD

 

Through trial and error, and although they are quite heavy, hot and capable of putting out a great deal of energy (300 - 500 megawatts), it's discovered that these microsingularities can be electrified and captured. It is also interesting to note at this point that electrified singularities also have two event horizons. By spinning these various microsingularities, a localized Kerr field is created.

 

LOCALIZED KERR FIELD = TIPLER SINUSOID

 

By using two microsingularities in close proximity to each other, it is possible to create, manipulate and alter the Kerr fields to create a Tipler gravity sinusoid. This field can be adjusted, rotated and moved in order to simulate the movement of mass through a donut-shaped singularity and into an alternate worldline. Thus, safe time travel. '

 

You know what a donut is? If u knew what it is, and what shape it takes, I am sure u can understand this. You have any more to ask, refer to MEM's answers. We're in 2005.

 

Now, as u pointed it out I'm very much convinced of his Gadgets. Now u tell me, from where did he get this stuff? You will say, its from top Sci-fi books. Just tell me which book he pulled out these ideas from?

 

I can say that if u take these principles to CERN today, you may get good credits.

 

I would say it is not just the physics of time travel, but the secret of time travel.

 

Why he posted it without fear?

 

A member asked Titor:

 

'You should probably know that our government will find you.'

 

Titor's answer:

 

'Stupidity and greed are fairly predictable for a period of time.'

 

 

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I'm not obsessed. :)

 

 

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The only waco type event I see, seems to be the one here.

 

So, the physics of time travel as posted above:

 

Have you really read it or understand it?

 

Titor also mentioned String Theory or SuperStringTheory or supersymmetrical endeavors.

 

In the book, Hyperspace, now by Dr. Kaku, he explains all this stuff, and guess what, it depends on having a math for it. Superstring theory is an accident, that would relate Einstein's Theory, Maxwell's Equations (which were later reduced or simplified), Quantum Mechanics (which is only like looking for data, because it died back in the '70's or early '80's) and Gravity(sorry data only coming in now, and that is only being obtained for the first time) which relates all of these fields now trying to convey a math to begin with. That math preliminarily used is Super-Riemann Geometry, which people have this vague idea that only brilliant people (and I mean brilliant people like Edward Witten) will attempt to unify all these so-called fields.

 

Except that SuperStringTheory is losing one requirement, the understanding of matching it with field equations to make it more than just a theory, in which case, it can not be proved by experiment, and only by math(if they had a math to do it with), because it would take something (if I am correct) like 10 to the 19th billion electron volts times more energy to get down to the Planck's length (where these so-called hyperspace dimensions exist). The fact that it only works in 10 or 26 dimensions is also a puzzle, because now you do not have dimensions to the Nth level which is being used now by the math.

 

Fine, enter in a Indian mystic mathematics genius, who only lived until he was 33 using modular functions which goes to modular forms. Except, this genius who evolved the past 100 years of mathematics thought by of by Europeans by himself, by only reading one book on number theory, ended up with whole hundreds of entire pages of modular functions from his karma (the supposed God-like thinking like God, or like Einstein -- to know the mind of God) except he does not really explain how he arrived at this math, nor provides any proof.

 

According to the book (Hyperspace) people who look at his work, place him up there at 100%, brillant other mathematicans at 80%, and the ones who originally talked to him before WWI and later the other disruption in life -- WWII, and they themselves place their place in all of this at 25%.

 

That means no one on this Planet understands his work, and the about 4000 math theorums nor can prove them and the use of modular functions and the resulting modular forms to discuss anything with anyone about proving that SuperStringTheory is a viable option to use to unify all of these fields above.

 

They have to be unified to a degree to understand at least some of it (and some and a very little part of it is understood), but the proofs of all this math first have to be done.

 

Accordingly to Dr. Kaku, SuperStringTheory is a 22nd century accident (and by accident) now known to be at least perhaps a viable theory, but without the math, or even if they could and they can not, the experimental proof, then you might as well say that no one could really say that at any time soon, anyone will be able to have even a remotely grasp of an idea about whether time travel would be even possible, and still more work would have to be done.

 

Time is intrinsically linked to Space so talking about Time or Space is irrelevant anymore -- it is SpaceTime.

 

Talking about Matter or Energy is irrelevant anymore since Einstein, now it is Matter-Energy, as the two can not be split anymore when dealing with it.

 

And talking about Light and Gravity or combining them (I think I am correct without looking it up in the book) is irrelevant, since no one knows how to combine those fields and only data is coming in on gravity -- now!

 

But still, even though Ramanujan came up with these modular functions from the Grace of God, they all use 24 dimensions. Still, not a big problem, but strings have to be self-consistent for any of it to work.

 

Around page 173 or that chapter in the book.

 

Now about talking about all of this stuff is fine, but doing the work is going to be a lot harder, and take all night sessions of math that even defy description, because even though we have brillant people around, the rest of us are like -- idiots when discussing these theories.

 

The clock beats faster, the measurement ruler gets shorter, and you are the one that slows down, in time dilation. Your brain slows, and your motion slows, so that to you, you seem as if everything is normal, but if you keep going or trying to get up to the speed of light, you end up flat as a pancake, and can not make it! (Einstein!)

 

Now, I assume if any one figures out even part of this stuff, they will let you know, as someone or a group of people will win the Nobel Prize for solving something that some people will work on -- all of their life -- to solve -- so they can be the first one or ones to get that fame from doing it and going down as one of the finest minds to ever grace this Planet in the last 2000 years!

 

Fine then, good luck!

 

If corners are cut, and a fudge here or there is done, I would not want to be the one in that so-called time travel machine, for a life here or a life there, would be -- your life, should you take on this -- mission impossible!

 

This is just the first step, to be done!

 

Because, without the math, without the theory, it is all theory, and it is just a theory, and a theory is not a viable option to send someone out into the void, to make time travel a reality!

 

Even without experimental data to back it all up with!

 

And light is a vibration in the dimension of the so-called hyperspace, which is so small that it is at the Planck's length! (the other six curled-up dimensions!)

 

There -- there in that hyperspace, people may even find their brain --- but the mind -- well, that may be a different other story also!

 

 

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According to Titor in 2034 the accepted reality is 10 dimensions, the 4 we know (x,y,z and time) and six that are curled up (and curled up right after the big bang). I think that's what he said.

 

10 = 4 + 6 curled

Lots of other people have said this long before Titor was ever a thought in some hoaxter's mind. The Kabbalists, for one large group, have always taught there are 10 dimensions, and how they align with the Tree Of Life.The person who ran the Titor scam borrowed from a lot of existing knowledge. Search through Darby's post and you will see where he made the connection between part of Titor's story to at least one famous SciFi novel. (The name escapes me right now...I wanna say Paradise Lost, but I don't think that is right.)

Just because "Titor" repeated material that others had already floated does not make him any more "real".

 

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And Titor said that some of it was done by trial and error.

 

It sure would be!

 

This is math according to the book (and although I may not be quite correct with some of what I poste before like saying that there are something like 4000 modular functions or so, it may just be hundreds, I am not sure without looking at the book again, even if they are sure!), that they started using artist sketching notebooks with doing the math, because the sheets are much larger.

 

According to Dr. Kaku, writing very small with a pencil, they start in the upper left hand corner, proceed across the page, and continue down and across the page, and then turn the sheet over, and start again on the back side of the same sheet. This goes on, for hundreds of pages!

 

Again after all of that, that is still like only one part of all the equations they have to explore and do!

 

It sure would be only through trial and error that Titor ever left even remotely a parallel universe in the future to end up here!

 

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"Although I am familiar with the general manufacture of the unit, I am not a physicist or a scientist. My background is in history and I had the correct profile to accomplish my given task in 1975. I doubt that most jet fighter pilots are aeronautical engineers and I'll bet most of you couldn't give me the formula for horsepower, yet you drive a car every day.

 

The second point I can illustrate with an interesting story. In the opening phases of WWI, one of the largest problems early fighter pilots had was how to shoot a machine gun through the propeller blades without chopping it to bits. The problem was very straightforward. When the engine was off, the blades took up only a small percentage of the total arch but with the engine on, there was seemingly no way to know when it was safe to shoot through them. This problem lasted for quite a while until a very smart person came up with a very simple solution. By using a small lobed cam on the propeller shaft that controlled a switch on the machine gun, it was possible to stop the gun from firing only when the cam turned off the switch at the point a bullet might hit the blade. It was so simple in fact the other side only caught on to the idea after one of the planes crashed and they were able to take it apart.

 

My point is; seemingly very complicated problems often have very simple and ingenious solutions using technology that is already available. The distortion unit is not magic and no alien technology was required to make it work. If you could see it, the "smarts" that went into designing it will amaze you more than the technology. Heck, the really interesting technology is in the computer.

 

The magnetic field does not require the fantastic energies you might imagine. The field is "created" and captures the singularity inside a very large and powerful specially designed particle accelerator. If the magnetic system failed (which has numerous backups including a system that would remove it from this worldline), the singularity would evaporate. Although it is smaller than an electron, it would still be quite undesirable." - JT

 

By the "simple" solution, he also hints how Y2K was solved with 5100 from 1975 in our Worldline. Can u find a better way how it was solved?

 

I personally believe that "faster than light" method of Time Travel is impossible, and even if possible, could take a 100 years or so. Titor's method is Correct.

 

Another point is, if you take Titor's postings to a Psychologist, he'll tell you he's real or not, rather than taking it to a scientist in CERN.

 

 

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"Just because "Titor" repeated material that others had already floated does not make him any more "real"."

 

I disagree with this statement.

Fine. Then would you like to provide some objective evidence for how re-telling existing stories makes it more possible that these stories are real?
Rainman, I guess u'll agree with Titor, if he said an Alien Technology was used to build the Time Machine?

I am not in the habit of believing anything that fictional characters claim.RMT
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"Fine. Then would you like to provide some objective evidence for how re-telling existing stories makes it more possible that these stories are real?"

 

Regarding the evidence, I did Research on the Y2K in our worldline he was talking about and found that what he told made sense. But a lot of people here are not accepting that he traveled from 1975 to 1998 and then he came to 2000. To return, he has to go to 1998 and then to 1975 and to 2036. While coming to 1998, he helped us fix Y2K for his own Good. He never explicitly said that but asked someone to do research on it to discover the truth. I found that what he said was convincing.

 

What do you expect from a Real Time Traveler?

 

Or u say Time Traveling is not at all possible just because it contradicts your thoughts?

 

To satisfy you, he could have created "new" stories instead of using "existing" stories. It wouldnt be difficult for a hoaxer like him to create new stories. He could have said The civil War breaks out in 2015 to make people mad about him for another 10 years.

 

Why didn't he do that?

 

 

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Regarding the evidence, I did Research on the Y2K in our worldline he was talking about and found that what he told made sense.

Just because it "made sense" does not mean he is a real time traveler. He also predicted lots of mad cow disease, and given the stories of this, that "made sense" too. Neither of these lend any credence to his being an actual time traveler.
Or u say Time Traveling is not at all possible just because it contradicts your thoughts?

How about reading what I typed to understand what I was saying? More people than Darby have pointed out where some of Titor's themes came from existing SciFi stories. So what I was saying (again) is: Just because someone re-tells existing SciFi stories does NOT lend any more credence to them being real time travelers, even if the stories seem to "make sense".
To satisfy you, he could have created "new" stories instead of using "existing" stories. It wouldnt be difficult for a hoaxer like him to create new stories.

You are absolutely right, he could have. But he didn't. In my mind that makes it LESS likely he is a real time traveler, but instead just a lazy hoaxer who gathered-up a bunch of different stories from things he had read in the past, and tried to string them together into something that "made sense".I repeat: Just because he re-tells old stories does not, in any way, make him any more real. In fact, in many people's minds, this is a sure sign of a hoax!

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"How about reading what I typed to understand what I was saying? More people than Darby have pointed out where some of Titor's themes came from existing SciFi stories. So what I was saying (again) is: Just because someone re-tells existing SciFi stories does NOT lend any more credence to them being real time travelers, even if the stories seem to "make sense"."

 

Which book? I am very Eager to read those books(probably u will say it is Kerr or Tipler). Please tell me the name of those books. He pulled out, how did he merge them correctly?

 

 

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Which book? I am very Eager to read those books(probably u will say it is Kerr or Tipler). Please tell me the name of those books. He pulled out, how did he merge them correctly?

No I am not going to say Kerr or Tipler. I remembered incorrectly in my previous post. It was not "Paradise Lost", but "Alas Babylon". Here is the post where some of the similarities in Titor's story and "Alas Babylon" were pointed out.http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=14606&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1

What do you mean "he pulled out"? I don't understand what you are saying.

 

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