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Titor wasn't at all "hazy" about when the civil war was to begin. he was quite specific.


Titor (as TimeTravel_0) said here on TTI, the following. He posted it on 7-NOV-2000 just a few days into his story:


There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.

On Post-2-Post he said the following on 1-FEB-2001:


The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII

He was very specific about the events occuring in the USA. He did, however, blow it on his dates. Notice that when the story begins in November 2000 the civil war starts in 2004. In February of 2001 he switches to 2005. The "Waco like" events occur in 2003, 2004 or 2005 because they precede the beginning of the civil war.

In either case he was obviously wrong. There has been no civil war and there have been no Waco-Ruby Ridge events in the USA between 1998 (when the story really began with his two faxes to Art Bell) and 2006.


He doesn't say that the civil war starts in 2008. He says that everyone in the USA, by that year, believe that their world is forever changed. There's no direct reference to the civil war, but the reference is embedded in the same paragraph where he says the civil war starts in 2004. It isn't unreasonable to conclude that he means that the civil war has been going on for 3 or 4 years by 2008 and that there is no end in sight - not that the civil war starts in earnest in 2008 as some suggest by taking the embedded quote out of the context of the paragraph..


There is another bit of inconsistency. In his online saga he alludes to Russia nuking all of the major cities in the USA (Europe and China as well). That act ends up killing off half of mankind (3 billion people).


Here's what he said to Art Bell in his second 1998 fax that he sent to Art the night that Art returned to the air following his first "retirement"):


I also urge you to reconsider your paranoia to the Russians. They are not preparing for war with the average US citizen . They are preparing for war with the US government. They will eventually save this country and the lives of millions of Americans.

So, according to his earliest attempt at the story, Russia "saves" America and millions of American lives.

According to the online story they accomplish this by nuking every major US city - where the vast majority of Americans live. But this, according to his story, was not aimed at ordinary US citizens.. It was aimed at the government - apparently with "surgical" hydrogen bomb strikes.




As we all know, "Titor" claimed that he had to be very careful about his identity. We know that he used proxy servers to log on as well as multiple "hotmail" type email accounts.


But he was not able to do that on Post-2-Post. To log onto P2P he had to use a real, major ISP provider, email account. He used his AOL account to register on Bell's BBS, [email protected]


But he had to pay for that account. AOL required a credit card or a personal check. No cash and no money orders (I was using AOL at that time). AOL knew who he was. Art Bell knew who he was because his real IP was logged there when he logged on.


And he made other mistakes that I can't go into. They also clearly identify the person behind "Titor".


If, as he suggested to people like Pamela, the government was out to get him he left a very clear and recoverable paper trail.


He also didn't leave when he said that he left. As I said, I was using AOL at the same time that he was using AOL. On AOL you could send email to another AOL account and request "Received", Opened" and "Deleted" receipts.


As late as the end of July 2001 I was sending email to "John Titor" at [email protected] Those emails were all received, opened and then deleted. The account was closed sometime in early August 2001.


It also belies the necessity for him to have requested that everyone who participated in his email "experiment" to have forwarded their messages to Pamela so that she could, in turn, copy, paste and forward them to Titor's email account. We already had his real email account. It was posted on Post-2-Post. None of the participants remembered that at the time. Doh!


They could have done what I did - email him directly. ;)



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PS - relative to his email handle.


Recall that Titor's favorite food was oranges and his favorite wine was possibly orange wine (from the IRC chatlog - he was drinking orange wine while posting to the IRC group).


Sanguina, in Italian, is literally "it bleeds" or "bloody". But it is also the name for a type of blood orange - among his favorite foods.



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Re: Palestinian Civil War - Not US Civil War


But, RainmanTime-


Islam is a religion of PEACE!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/03/cartoon.wrap.reut/index.htmlOh my yes! It is so focused on peace that adherents to this religion become violent and start an uproar over the publication of an editorial cartoon... and yet when these same adherents kidnap and brutally murder innocents that is just supposed to be OK, and the Islamist militants who perform these acts should not be persecuted because their "freedom of expression" should not be infringed upon.

I know you made this comment in jest, Freud, but with this uproar over this cartoon, and how it is clear these Islamists wish to blatantly control the media and restrict any free speech, is it not clear to the rest of the civilized world where the stench of facism is focused these days? This BS about the cartoon reminds me also of the uproar over "improper" treatment of the Koran. These extremists expect us to revere their books and their dead prophets, and meanwhile the ONE thing that western values holds dear (human life) they are permitted to desecrate and we are not supposed to react?


I think the Danish government is doing the right thing... the government cannot and should not have to apologize for the acts of a free expression in a free newspaper. This is the crux of the ideology war in the world right now. The Islamofacists (which is exactly what these terrorists are) wish to eliminate freedom, and how dear is the right to freedom of speech and expression to the rest of civilized society?


And people are worried about the PATRIOT act denying or curtailing freedoms! What a joke!





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The many worlds theory is a cop out, we could argue that his world is different enough that the things he says do not happen here.


Although i would still say 2015 date for nuclear war is still in range of high probability, based on current world events, the nature of the weapon, the people crazy enough to use them and the amount that still exist.


A nuclear war due to escalating arguments over oil and energy or misunderstandings from one going off in a terrorist attack is still what i would call high probability.


That does not mean it will happen on the date, it might never happen, but it is within range.


And yes Russia would attack USA, although someone would have to attack Russia, fo a "use em or lose em" option.


According to Titor, Israel is not ready for a true offensive, if Israel was to be hit by Iran for example, they may use the "samson" option, which basically means they fire their weapons everywhere.


So Russia get hit and use the "use em or lose em", china, india and pakistan go mental, the USA goes mental, targets in Europe get hit, Europe goes mental.


BOOM back in the dark ages.


It might only take one bomb to escalate into hundreds of the things being thrown everywhere.


Yeah JT is a hoax, but i would not rule out the worst part of what he said.


You cannot win a nuclear war, one would hope people realise this, however certain forces in the world believe a war would be good and maybe go to a better place for having launched them.


We live in dangerous times no matter what is right or wrong.


Are you going to care about these arguments if there was a nuclear war?


i could tell you without the use of hard science, the answer will be no!



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From Playtos Republic:Soldiers that are injurious to each other, are also not coheasive:




Fla. Officials Release Boot Camp Tape




PANAMA CITY, Fla. (AP) - Guards at a juvenile detention boot camp struck and restrained a teenager for a half-hour on the day before he died, a videotape released Friday shows.


The boy's parents said the security tape raises questions about an autopsy that found that 14-year-old Martin Lee Anderson died from internal bleeding caused by a genetic blood disorder, and not from any injuries suffered in the Jan. 5 altercation.


``Martin didn't deserve this right here - at all,'' the boy's mother, Gina Jones, said after viewing the tape Friday at her lawyer's office in Tallahassee. ``I couldn't even watch the whole tape. Me as a mom, I knew my baby was in pain and I am in pain just watching his pain.''


Anderson, who entered the camp because of a probation violation, complained of breathing difficulties and collapsed while doing push-ups, sit-ups and other exercises. He died the next day at a Pensacola hospital.


Officials for the Bay County Sheriff's Office, which runs the Florida Panhandle camp, said guards restrained Anderson after he became uncooperative during the exercises.


On the grainy, 80-minute tape, which has no sound, as many as nine guards can be seen wrestling Anderson to the ground and restraining him. The boy appeared limp for most of the ordeal and never appeared to offer significant resistance. While he lay motionless on the ground, a guard struck him several times, either on his arm or torso.


At one point, a guard struck him from behind, lifting his feet off the ground. At the beginning, as the guards are pinning him against a pole, they struck him three times with their knees.


It's not clear from the tape how hard the blows were or where they landed. The physical confrontation lasted about 30 minutes.


A woman in a white coat was present while Anderson was restrained and at one point used a stethoscope to check him. Near the end of the confrontation, guards appear to become more concerned, and several run in and out of the scene. A few minutes later, emergency medical personnel take him away on a gurney.


State police investigating the case released the tape after a lawsuit by news organizations.


The autopsy by Charles Siebert, medical examiner for the district that includes Bay County, found bruises and scrapes on the boy's body but said they were linked to attempts to resuscitate him. It blamed his internal bleeding on sickle cell disorder, which is present in one in 12 African-Americans but doesn't show up in routine blood work.


There has been research - some involving recruits at military boot camps - linking the trait to sudden death after extreme exertion. Experts on sickle cell trait, however, questioned Friday whether the disease could be definitively and entirely to blame for Anderson's death.


``There is a slight, increased risk at the extremes of human endurance, but it really takes a profound amount of exercise and dehydration,'' said Dr. James Eckman, director of the Comprehensive Sickle Cell Center at Grady Health System in Atlanta and a professor at Emory University.


While research has shown an increased chance of sudden death with heavy exertion, it mostly occurs either in extreme heat and humidity or at high altitude. Weather records show the high temperature was 68 the day Anderson passed out.


A Harvard Medical School professor who reviewed Anderson's autopsy for The Miami Herald told the newspaper that the report was ``not plausible at all.''


The Justice Department is investigating possible civil rights violations in the case. Lawmakers and family lawyers on Friday called for the arrest of the guards who were seen on the videotape confronting Anderson and blasted the autopsy findings.


``It doesn't make sense and goes against all the logic of watching what happened to this young man,'' Republican state Rep. Gus Barreiro said.


Democratic Sen. Gary Siplin said any guard who touched Anderson should be immediately arrested.


``At the very least it's aggravated battery, at the top of the ladder it's murder,'' Siplin said.


Anderson was arrested in June for stealing his grandmother's Jeep Cherokee and sent to the boot camp for violating his probation by trespassing at a school.


The boot-camp concept for juveniles began in Florida in 1993, and five camps now house about 600 boys ages 14 to 18.


Associated Press reporters Brent Kallestad, David Royse and Andrea Fanta in Tallahassee contributed to this report.


02/17/06 19:48



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