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One step forward and two steps backward. That is usually how my trial and error experimental effort works. And this time without exception. About a month ago I fired up an experimental device I built. It was supposed to amplify the antigravity force that I was measuring off my previously built Lorentz force generator. I used higher current carrying semiconductors. The device was able to handle continuous current levels of around 150 amps. The previous device could only handle levels up to around 5 amps. The device took me around four months to complete. Which is why you haven't seen me post very much to this thread. So I fired up the device. It was a tremendous improvement in the Lorentz force field generation over the previous device. But I was interested in the antigravity pulses that I had monitored off my previous Lorentz force field generator. I hooked up my accelerometer sensor to my oscilloscope to monitor for antigravity pulses and became very dissappointed. There were no antigravity pulses at all coming from the new device. I rechecked my previous device just to be sure I actually had antigravity pulses. Yes, the previous device does produce antigravity pulses. So obviously I had made some assumptions about antigravity field generation that were wrong. The main assumption was that the Lorentz force was actually the antigravity force and only need be tuned to the correct frequency to get it to work on all matter rather than just metal conductors. That assumption was wrong. And along with it, my unified field theory hits the dust as well. But rather than take an entirely new direction in research, I decided to find out why the new device doesn't produce antigravity.

 

The first thing I had to do was to examine some of the assumptions I had made that had lead me to construct the present device. I had to sleep on it. Of course I woke up with an answer. It was a logical answer. In order to use more current or amps to produce a larger Lorentz force field, I had to reduce the resistance of my output coil to let more current go through. So the big change in the present device was that I was using a coil with only 1/4 ohm of resistance. The previous coil was just over an ohm in resistance. That did suggest that possibly resistance or ohms was much more important in the production of antigravity than I had given it credit for. I usually look at resistance as the evil gremlin in an electrical circuit that steals away precious energy. Another assumption that I am going to have to let go of. So I made a variable resistor out of Nichrome wire. I put it in series with my output coil. I hooked up my test equipment again and monitored for antigravity pulses while I was slowly sliding the electrical connection down the length of Nichrome wire. BINGO! The antigravity pulse appears, and slowly increases in amplitude (I'm changing the resistance while this is happening) and then decreases and disappears. So at the maximum amplitude I turn off the device and take a resistance measurement across the coil and Nichrome wire resistor. I get a reading of 2.5 ohms. I was only getting about 1/2 gee pulses of antigravity, so I decided to try some other coils with more internal resistance. I have lots of coils laying around from previous experimentation. So I tried them all. I had a long cylindrical coil with a diameter of 4.5 inches, #20 wire guage, at 2.3 ohms that gave me the best performance. 2 gee pulses of antigravity. It does appear that a coil with a specific amount of resistance is crucial for antigravity field production. But I didn't stop there.

 

I added more adjustability to my device. I can control the pulse width window that the actual capacitor discharge takes place. Also I can control pulse repitition frequency. In addition I can also use different sized capacitors for the capacitor discharge to take place. And I have addon capability to add a phase generator which I haven't added on yet. My oscilloscope is a two channel scope. So I decided to watch what the voltage was doing simultaneously during the antigravity pulse emission. That's when I discovered that another assumption I had made hit the dirt. All along I had assumed that the antigravity pulse was occurring at the same time that the capacitor was discharging. I was wrong! The antigravity pulse occurs after the capacitor is turned off. Refer to the following picture. The top trace is what the voltage is doing in the coil. The bottom trace is the accelerometer. Each vertical division for the bottom trace represents one gee of antigravity. The top trace was very interesting to me. What is that bulb like trace thingy? That is another BINGO! I'm actually learning more from this failed experiment than In all my successful ones. I believe that bulb like thingy is the coil oscillating using its own internal capacitance and resistance. There is energy in that coil when it goes open circuit. I don't know what the oscillation frequency is because my scope only measures frequency up to 20 Megahertz. But I do believe this frequency can be calculated. The bulb thingy looks like it's solid, but I suspect that up in the Gigahertz range the vertical up and down trace pattern would become visible. So there apears to be EM frequencies for tuned coils that stimulate spacetime into emitting antigravity pulses. I'll just bet that if my coil was hit with an EM wave in that frequency that it prefers to oscillate, an antigravity field would be emitted. This does give more support for Bob Lazars claims. Although his memory mysteriously failed when asked what those frequencies were. He did say everything appears to work through electromagnetic induction.

 

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So I continued to experiment with the adjustable parameters of my device. The pulse width of my capacitor discharge was of interest to me. I had assumed that the capacitor discharge had to completely discharge before an antigravity pulse could be emitted. I was wrong again. The pulse width window showed that my capacitor was being turned off before complete discharge. By adjusting the pulse width I found out that the antigravity pulse only occurs if a small section of the capacitor discharge curve is used. By narrowing the pulse width I was able to get antigravity pulses up to 3 gees of amplitude. See the following picture. The pulses of antigravity are in the two to three hundred mircrosecond range. As you can see I adjusted the frequency to bunch up the antigravity pulses close together to see if I could get any type of observable repulsion effect. Nothing yet. What is interesting is that it doesn't matter which way I point the accelerometer sensor. It appears that spacetime is being altered in pulses to produce an expansion effect from every single point in space. Also it does seem to be becoming evident that spacetime is not comprised of electric and magnetic fields. But it can be influenced by them. This tends to lend support for extra dimensions. Electric fields and magnetic fields may be comprised of dimensions other than the dimensions that comprise spacetime. Just remember mathematicians have failed to mathematically derive spacetime from electromagnetic theory.

 

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Now for one more picture that is of particular interest to me. I was using a very compact coil that measures 4 ohms on a 4.5 inch form. The wire guage was #24. The bottom trace is of a gravity wave. It's in the four microsecond range of duration. I stuck the accelerometer sensor into the coil during operation. The gravity wave increased in duration. I don't completely understand this yet. I am speculating that the flow of time changed inside the coil. But a gravity wave by itself is spacetime oscillating. That appears to be something that has not been observed in our universe. It also happens to be the basis of an Alcubierre drive system for space propulsion. So I will definitely be focusing my efforts into this gravity wave phenomena. And also to observe any time altering effects with the antigravity pulse waves I've been getting.

 

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I have one final little bit of info that I copied out of a UFO book I read years ago. I don't remember the name of the book. But the info is supposedly the EM signature of a UFO in flight.

 

"frequency 2995 MC to 3000 MC; pulse width of

 

2.0 microseconds; pulse repititions frequency

 

of 600 cps; sweep rate of 4 RPM;

 

vertical polarity...

 

Signal moved rapidly up the DF scope indicating

 

a rapidly moving signal source; i e., an airborne

 

source..."

 

I never knew what the information meant, but I suspected that someday it would all make sense. Apparently that day has arrived. That frequency is in the Gigahertz range. I suspect my test coils are oscillating close to this frequency. It would be nice to have a scope that could actually look at the frequncies I'm running at. But scopes in the Gigahertz range are very expensive. At any rate I can play around with the math to help me design and construct coils that would harmonically oscillate in this frequency range.

 

 

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The amplifier is capable of handling a high wattage condition. But as it turns out, the higher capacity capacitors do not produce any antigravity effect at all. It appears to me that I am using a preferred quantity of energy to get the coil to produce the antigravity pulses. The antigravity pulses only occur during the off cycle. I do not know how to amplify the antigravity pulses yet. That will take some more trial and error experimentation.

 

 

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"But as it turns out, the higher capacity capacitors do not produce any antigravity effect at all"

 

so your able to make small antigravity pulses with 5 amps, but none with 150 amps. have you tried seeing if it makes any positive gravity at 150 amps? but in my opinion, your battery and capacitor cant put out the power your trying to produce.

 

also, could you tell a little about the machine? most importantly, what gauge wiring and how long the power wire is. these things may seem silly, but are extremely important for that much power.

 

also, i would like to reffer you to a crack in the ocean floor of the bermuda triangle. its the only place in the world with negative gravity. also the deepest place in the ocean supposedly. may give you an idea or two :)

 

sorry for any dumb questions ahead of time :)

 

 

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Originally I also had thought that more power would be needed to produce more and bigger antigravity pulses. But in order to use more power at 12 volts, you have to cut the resistance down. I started with a larger coil made of 14 guage wire that measured only 1/4 ohm. So that coil would let 48 amps through. That is why I initially called this a failed experiment. Because all that power being dumped into the coil did not produce any antigravity pulses at all.

 

The capacitors that I have used range in size from 100 uf to 10,000 uf. The best performance comes from around 1500 uf to 2000 uf capacitors.

 

I have a schematic here of my previous antigravity field generator that I initially built.

 

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The device I am using now is basically the same device as in the schematic, except with higher current carrying semiconductors. There are a few modifications to allow me to adjust the pulse width and frequency over a wide range. In the schematic, the pulse width was not adjustable. But there was frequency adjustability.

 

The power leads that feed the coil are 16 guage and about 2 feet long. The coil with the best antigravity pulse performance measured at 2.3 ohms and was 20 gauge wire. The coil with the gravity wave measured at 4.0 ohms and was 24 guage wire.

 

Just remember that the antigravity pulses and gravity wave happen after the capacitor is turned off. So using current theory there is a magnetic field built up in the coil. That field has to dissipate. You can see that in the scope patterns, that bulb like trace pattern is that magnetic field dissipating. On the bottom trace, the accelerometer trace pattern shows that the antigravity pulses and gravity wave occur during that magnetic field dissipation time.

 

Also I want to mention that in the second picture that shows the 3 gee antigravity pulses, I didn't have the top wave pattern synchronized properly with the bottom wave pattern. I just took the picture because it was of 3 gees of antigravity.

 

 

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"I started with a larger coil made of 14 guage wire that measured only 1/4 ohm. So that coil would let 48 amps through"

 

and im not totally positive about this, but im pretty sure from my experiences with amplifiers: 14 gauge wiring can only handle about 50 amps. im pretty confident that if you went with lower gauge wiring it would work better. because at 1/4ohm that thing should DRAW some current if ya know what i mean :)

 

ill put it like this. i had 16 gauge wiring on my amp, it drew 30 amps. replaced it with 4 gauge, and it drew the full 90 amps.

 

and sorry if im incorrect about anything :)

 

 

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I have thought of using 14 guage wire to make a 4 ohm coil. But the coil would be huge. I would have to buy a big roll to make one that big. And I wouldn't mind doing it if I knew it would work. But the idea is to make small logical steps so that I can figure out what went wrong if things don't go as planned. But thanks for your input. I actually have come up with a method that might work that allows amplification.

 

 

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well, i wish i could be more help. i think what you are doing is very cool.

 

everything you are doing reminds me of a speaker. it works much the same as your machine. hey! that gives me an idea. slap a magnet around that coil and make it jump a mile in the air :D

 

150 amps should make something happen lol.

 

good luck on this, and if theres anything i can do to help, let me know. :)

 

 

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I got a motherload update here. I've been researching this gravity wave phenomena with surprising success.

 

First let me say that I just recently purchased a new laptop computer to devote exclusively to my experiments. I'm using the laptop in conjunction with my Pico PC oscilloscope. I thought the laptop was a steal at $375. So I got one.

 

The first order on the agenda was to investigate the bulb like trace pattern. This scope shows the oscillation frequency to be much lower than I anticipated. Around 14 MHz. This scope can display wavefroms up to 100 MHz. But the gravity wave oscillation always seemed to start before the bulb like trace pattern. It took a while before I figured out what that meant. At first I had given thought to a time reversal wave. But I trashed that idea in favor of a different interpretation that does seem to be correct. I happened to notice that the gravity wave starts at the same time that a rapid voltage change was taking place in the circuit. Could it be that the gravity wave is triggered just by a rapid change in voltage with no current use at all? That was something I had to try. So I disabled all discharge capacitors and hooked my coil directly to the output of a 555 timer in operation. The coil I used was the secondary from my Tesla coil with the bismuth disk attached. Just one connection was made. No complete circuit. Success! I couldn't believe my eyes at first. There was a gravity wave burst occurring each time the voltage changed on the output of my 555 timer. In the following picture I was using a very large capacitor. Mainly so the voltage would not change too much during discharge. The voltage in the circuit is represented by the bottom blue trace pattern. The upper red trace pattern is taken from the output of my gravity sensor.

 

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Then I started to experiment with ways to increase the magnitude of the gravity waves. At first I noticed that when I touched the coil, the gravity waves increased in intensity. At right about half way down the coil the magnitude was greatest. An indication that my coil was not the optimum size. Also by adding more bismuth metal to the end of the coil increased the magnitude of the gravity waves.

 

Observing the gravity waves showed that every other trace pattern seemed to be identical. But it was obvious that there were two different wave patterns. Two different kinds of gravity waves. Where have you heard that before? Bob Lazar was foremost on my mind when I realized I had two kinds of gravity waves. But what makes the two gravity waves different? I had to sleep on that one. The answer was in the observation. One gravity wave was occurring when the voltage rapidly changed from the ground state to the voltage state. The other gravity wave occurred when the voltage rapidly changed from the voltage state to the ground state. Well if that is so, then these waves may be cancelling each other out over time. So it would be to my advantage to find a way to produce each wave independantly of the other. So I did it. The answer also exists in the observation. If I allow a capacitor to completely discharge, there is no voltage to ground transition gravity wave. So the answer is to rapidly turn on the voltage and then to slowly turn it off. It should also work in reverse. in the following picture the gravity wave is of the ground to voltage type. You'll notice that the capacitor discharges completely before the off spike occurs.

 

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I had one type of gravity wave. Now I was determined to find out how to make the other type. I succeeded this afternoon. In the following picture you can see the gravity wave occurring at the voltage to ground transition.

 

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Now I haven't really said why I'm experimenting with gravity waves. The reason is that the force of gravity is changing back and forth. It is a fact that time flows more slowly in a gravity field. If gravity changes, then so does the flow of time. So in reality, a gravity wave is a time wave. The time force. I haven't worked out all the details for using this time force to develop a time machine yet. But I'm pretty sure now that I will.

 

 

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what do you think low voltage like 1.5v and 250 amp burts would do?

You would just get a magnetic effect. I'm more interested in this gravity wave phenomena because it leads the way to an understanding of how to control time. And eventually the construction of a time machine. But I am just letting the experiments point the direction I take. And the experiments do show that amperage is not needed to produce the gravity waves. But the transition time a change in voltage takes is highly critical. That's the key.
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Einstein,

 

Obviously, I do not contribute much here anymore. But I do respect you and your investigative work, so I wanted to simply chime in here and offer a few thoughts that may (or may not) help you avoid wasting time.

 

Just looking at the red traces, without doing the math exhaustively (i.e. this is just my experience is talking), I believe I am seeing a second-order, oscillatory, decaying response waveform at the point where each voltage step occurs. And certainly it looks to be a fairly constant frequency that we are seeing in this response. My initial gut feel is that what you are seeing in this trace is nothing more than the natural, resonant frequency response of your "gravity sensor" (which I believe is actually an accelerometer, correct me if I am wrong).

 

Every physical sensor has a natural, resonant frequency, as I am sure you are aware. While I cannot work out the frequency from this pictures (perhaps you can) it certainly looks like a high-frequency natural oscillatory mode... and given that I work with accelerometers in the guidance, navigation, and control of aircraft, I must say that this high-frequency resonant response is exactly what I would expect to see for such a sensor. By ensuring its natural resonant mode is at this high of a frequency, this helps avoid the natural resonance of the sensor corrupting control solutions which operate at much lower frequencies. Furthermore, I should point out that the "step input response" (exactly what we see with your voltage steps) is the precise method that is used to characterize the natural resonant frequency of any device: Put in a step disturbance, and then see how the device responds to the step (with no other inputs present).

 

Again, the purpose of this is not to "rain on your parade", but just to give you pause for thought in your explanation of this phenomenon. It may be something much more basic, and much less phenomenal. Keep up the good work!

 

RMT

 

 

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ruthless

 

i'm trying to understand this, and i have a question. does the voltage have to constantly change, or could it be done with 2 alternating voltages?

I do believe a very high frequency alternating voltage would also produce these waves. But both kinds of waves would be produced and thay would probably cancel out.
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RMT

 

Glad to see your still around.

 

Just looking at the red traces, without doing the math exhaustively (i.e. this is just my experience is talking), I believe I am seeing a second-order, oscillatory, decaying response waveform at the point where each voltage step occurs. And certainly it looks to be a fairly constant frequency that we are seeing in this response. My initial gut feel is that what you are seeing in this trace is nothing more than the natural, resonant frequency response of your "gravity sensor" (which I believe is actually an accelerometer, correct me if I am wrong).

The gravity sensor is my accelerometer. I'm not familiar with it's natural resonating frequency. However I do know when I put it together on the sensor board, I set it so it would be able to pick up frequencies at around 500Hz. So the actual frequencies displayed on the scope are way outside the parameters the sensor was designed to work with. So I wouldn't accept the frequencies displayed in the wave trace as being accurate. But it is an indicator that something is going on. I haven't come across anything yet to indicate I'm being misled into thinking I have gravity waves. Now I do have to disagree with your observation that the gravity wave frequency is constant. If you look more closely you will see as the amplitude decreases, the frequency goes up. The wavelength gets shorter. That is kind of odd. I see it more readily when I touch the bismuth disk at the end of the coil. The amplitude sharply increases and the wavelength gets much longer at the initial section. Now because the frequency does appear to be increasing during dissipation, it is logical to conclude that a resonant frequency of the sensor is not being displayed, because as you state, a resonant frequency would be constant.

I do know that the observation is the source of the facts. So I could be missinterpreting what I see. But that is what trial and error is all about. For instance I see that as the voltage rapidly decreases to ground potential, it overshoots just a bit, then settles down. Now I did also note that the amplitude of the gravity waves didn't seem to be as strong for this particular setup. That voltage to ground transition looks to be almost vertical on the scope. But it does take a small amount of time to take place. I've been experimenting with that particular time interval. And very soon I will have a definite time interval range obtained from my trial and error approach.

 

 

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Hi everyone.

 

I've been furiously busy with my experimentation lately. I just recently finished constructing gravity wave generator number four. With alarming success. A time machine just may be possible!

 

But first let me get back to where I left off on gravity wave generator number one. It turns out there is a preferred time interval for the firing capacitor to discharge within. That time interval is very close to two microseconds. The size of the capacitor that allows a discharge that fast is very small at one nanofarad. Actually a one nanofarad capacitor will discharge in around one microsecond. But by adding a variable resistor in series with the discharge path, allowed me to slow it down to the optimal time width for the maximum gravity wave amplitude. The gravity wave produced is predominantly negative in amplitude. Around 1.2 gees negative and only .6 gees positive in amplitude.

 

So on to gravity wave generator number two. Just knowing that gravity wave generator number one took two months to complete made me stop and think about a faster way to get to the next phase. I canabalized the circuits in my lorentz force generator and converted it over to a dual gravity wave generator with phase adjustability. Just two weeks to do that. Oh, I forgot to mention that I borrowed a design feature from Bob Lazars gravity generators. I'm using a large copper circular ring made of bare copper wire. The ring measures sixteen inches in diameter. I have a second ring about four inches above the first ring. The second ring is only around 14 inches in diameter. So I hooked up the generator and monitored the voltage and gravity waves simultaneously on my PC oscilloscope. I have an output wire connected directly to the discharge capacitor of each generator. Each of these wires were connected to the metal copper rings. I adjusted the phase of the second gravity wave to connect to the first gravity wave. It looked like one continuous wave with two peaks on the scope now. Success, this is what my intuition tells me to do. I've given the gravity wave direction through linear time and also displacement through space. A moving gravity wave. However there was something odd going on with the data on the scope. The ground plane for both the gravity waves and the voltage discharge wave had changed away from zero. The ground plane for the voltage wave was slightly positive at around a half a volt. And the gravity wave ground plane had shifted downward by about a tenth of a gee. It's like there is some kind of equalization going on between the electric wave and the gravity wave. Interaction on a shared time flow is my suspected theory at present. Subject to change when more data becomes available.

 

Well, I was really motivated now. So, on to gravity wave generator number three. It was a six channel gravity wave generator with phase adjustability on each channel. I got a big roll of copper wire off ebay, real cheap. It only took two weeks this time from making the printed circuit boards to getting it all together. But on the last day just as I was about to put it all in the big project box I had gotten just for this project, I mysteriously came up with a new idea I hadn't investigated yet. I was controlling the discharge time of the firing capacitor with a variable resistor. What if I substituted a variable inductor instead? I had to try that. So I canabalized the primary coil off one of my tesla coils to use as the variable inductor. It has a tap point at every turn after the first thirteen turns. Gravity wave generator number one was used for the experiment. I removed the variable resistor and substituted the variable inductor. It worked. But the data was different. The gravity wave was biased positive now. With almost 1.2 gees positve and .8 gees negative in amplitude. But using the inductor I could actually balance the gravity wave so that both the positive half and the negative half were equal. A balanced wave. Or maybe a zero point wave.

 

This was really getting interesting. What if I combine the inductor with the variable resistor? So I did it. The gravity wave was biased positive. I cranked the variable resistor from zero to it's max of 25 ohms. My rotating gravity field theory says that the dimension of time should be accessed. Time should speed up as a gravity field goes from positive to negative. As I changed the variable resistor, the time interval that the firing capacitor stayed charged changed by seven microseconds. I didn't suspect that at all. At least not any amount of time that could actually be measurable. But it did happen and I still can repeat this experiment. But I didn't mention that even though the capacitor charge time changed, the discharge time also changed by and equal but opposite amount. It's like I nudged the flow of time one way and it bounced back by an equal amount the other way. I had created a time wave. Needless to say, now I wanted to explore these time waves some more. Like, could I speed up or slow down time locally? So on to gravity wave generator number four.

 

Gravity wave generator number four only took one week to complete. The idea behind gravity wave generator number four was to see if I could remove a section of the time wave that I didn't want, and keep the part that I did want. I know that if I disconnect the wire from the metal ring, no gravity waves are emitted. So what I did was to install a semiconductor which could turn on and off the connection to the metal ring emitter. I made the controls to this semiconductor adjustable so I could synchronize it to the gravity wave emission. It worked. And new data was obtained as well. On the scope, during the time that the semiconductor had turned off connection to the metal ring, the ground plane for the voltage in the metal ring had changed to negative 1.45 volts. Normally that voltage is right at zero. So by rectifying the flow of time, mother nature responds by creating negative voltage as a substitute for the missing section of the time wave. Free energy anyone? I didn't expect that. And I'm not stopping here. I was still having a little trouble with this gravity wave generator. The main thing that I noticed was that I no longer could adjust the frequency of the gravity wave emission. With all previous generators I could move the gravity pulses closer together. It's like by removing the section of the time wave I had removed the time continuity between events. Anyway I decided to see if I had actually affected the local flow of time close to the gravity wave emitter. I put a digital watch right on the emitter and checked it 20 minutes later. No change. The watch was eight and a half seconds faster than my computer. So I left the watch on the emitter for around three hours. This time it appeared that my watch was now running at only eight seconds faster than my computer. Lost half a second. Several hours later after just leaving the watch on my desk, I decided to check it again. To my surprise it was now running 14 seconds fast. Now that watch has been very accurate and usually keeps very good time. For weeks now it has been just eight and a half seconds faster than my computer. But I am comparing the time on the watch to my computers clock. I can't rule out the possibility that maybe there was a master time adjustment to some atomic clock somewhere. Since my computer automatically will synchroze itself through the internet. So I have to nullify the results of this time flow experiment. Next weekend I'll obtain a couple of electronic stop watches and repeat the experiment using one of the stop watches as my control time base.

 

Well, this is a big switch for me. Here I am trying to gather enough data to make a gravity amplifier and I come across an observation that shows I'm affecting the flow of time using the gravity waves. The directions I can pursue are many. I already have plans for making a time wave oscillator. Coupling this time flow change in conjunction with positive and negative gravity waves may have an amplifying effect that I have been searching for. Also that change in the flow of time that I noticed, is when the force of time is being accessed. The time force in sufficient amplitude just may be the motive power for a time machine.

 

Also I have given some thought to RMT's suggestion that the resonant frequency of my accelerometer just may be giving me false data. Rather than come up with a logical argument to defend the data, I have come up with an alternate solution that will most likely validate the data. I just recently obtained an accelerometer chip that actually operates with a different resonant frequency. Also it can handle gravity pulses at a much higher frequency. It happens to be this weeks project. I just have to make a custom circuit board to mount the chip on.

 

 

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was wondering if you could try something for me. if this machine made your watch 8 second faster did that effect the battery? ok get an apple and place it next to the machine see how long it takes the apple to rot. for the watch you get 8 seconds, but it may effect the apple faster. less to work with since its not a small machine.

 

 

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I'm just wondering, could you share your ideas regarding the nature of time? Thanks.

Time is the master force that all other forces play out within. I have an idea that time is generated by nuclear force. But I haven't come across anything that could actually validate that. Time is space. And space has to perpetually expand for time to exist.
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