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Once I knew what I was looking for I found the Titors posts were littered , chaulked full of hints about the 2012 event. Below are only a few of those posts just to prove the point.


Yes, there are unusual events in 2012 but they do not cause the world to end. Unfortunately , I have decided not to discuss events that you or I can do anything about. It is important that they be a suprise. Perhaps you are familiar with the story of the red sea and the egyptians?


Thats one area I've decided not to talk about, sorry. The average temperture worldwide is a bit cooler.


Does the sun look any different in 2036 than it does now?


When you can see it through the high level smoke and haze, not that I'm aware of.


Do you have any idea how effiient solar cells are today? Sometimes it's sunny and sometimes it rains. Sometimes large dust clouds high in the atmosphere pass overhead. I don?t understasnd the point you want to make. The sun looks the same.


The big one? As you are experiencing now, there are earthquakes, storms and other unfortunate surprises from Mother Nature that have impacts on your society and future history. That is one reason I won't go into detail.




A Soldier's Winter


The day before it wasn't snowing.


The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving in the ash of winter ..my world, my life, my wandering path.


I pray God's eyes may once again gaze upon me and remind me that I am still His child




The Snow ,its ash. The tress are strangers because an ash cloud as covered the earth at the time this will be written. The tempature worldwide will be a few degrees cooler because it will be covered by ash. The reason JT always said the sun looked the same one the days you could see it was because in 2036 the world still had an ash cloud surrounding it although in 30 20 years it was dissipating. The ten plauges of egypt and the red sea were caused by a VOLCANIC event.


The mayan calander ends in 2012 because they knew this thing comes in cycles and that at the end the next SUPER VOLCANO is due. No reason to write the calander further. But they did not have the technology we have. We will survive. We will grow our food indoors under artifical light.


But we should get ready NOW! This could of sulfuric ash will posin the worlds water supply worse than anything man could ever devise. Store you water now because after December 23 2012 you will not have clean water anymore. And not for a very long time afterwards. RE-READ the Titor postings from the perspective of a super volcano going off in 2012 and you will understand him so much more.


Please people...this is the most important warning of our lives. Don't ignore it.



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...The Sun became blue...on timeline39


as the 535 event in the past


535 event


quoted from:




"What would be the effect of an eruption?


Immediately before the eruption, there would be large earthquakes in the Yellowstone region. The ground would swell further with most of Yellowstone being uplifted. One earthquake would finally break the layer of rock that holds the magma in - and all the pressure the Earth can build up in 640,000 years would be unleashed in a cataclysmic event.


Magma would be flung 50 kilometres into the atmosphere. Within a thousand kilometres virtually all life would be killed by falling ash, lava flows and the sheer explosive force of the eruption. Volcanic ash would coat places as far away as Iowa and the Gulf of Mexico. One thousand cubic kilometres of lava would pour out of the volcano, enough to coat the whole of the USA with a layer 5 inches thick. The explosion would have a force 2,500 times that of Mount St. Helens. It would be the loudest noise heard by man for 75,000 years, the time of the last super volcano eruption. Within minutes of the eruption tens of thousands would be dead.


The long-term effects would be even more devastating. The thousands of cubic kilometres of ash that would shoot into the atmosphere could block out light from the sun, making global temperatures plummet. This is called a nuclear winter. As during the Sumatra eruption a large percentage of the world's plant life would be killed by the ash and drop in temperature. Also, virtually the entire of the grain harvest of the Great Plains would disappear in hours, as it would be coated in ash. Similar effects around the world would cause massive food shortages. If the temperatures plummet by the 21 degrees they did after the Sumatra eruption the Yellowstone super volcano eruption could truly be an extinction level event. "









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Yea I've heard the Suns poles will shift in 2012 which will cause the earths poles to shift and Consider this...when/if the poles do shift what do you think will happen if all the magma under the crust flowing one direction suddely reverses direction in response to the magnetic poles shifting?



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When the magma flow reverses...every volcano will blow. A soldiers winter.


How I loath that poem.


The day before it wasn't snowing....Today is that day..Come december 25 we are gonna get one ashen storm that will escalate every problem in the world.



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why is "soldiers winter" a cause of volcanoes? Soldiers don't cause volcanoes. Seems to me that a "soldiers winter" is a winter caused be clouding of the atmosphere from war. A conventional weapons wolrd war could spew enough crap into the air to block out sun.


Remember how the weather patterns changed after the oil fields were set ablaze in teh gulf war? Image that in the gulf, europe, china, etc. all at the same time. Pop in a few nukes, and BAM, you have a soldiers winter.



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What the poet, Larry Cluck, was refering to in "A Soldier's Winter" is the winter...end of the year... of a soldier's life.


The moment that he goes "in country" (the combat zone) he's near the end of his life. He's a dead man walking. If he survives to go "back to the world" (home) he's resurrected.



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Hey Darby can you post a link For larry Glucks A soldiers winter? Because I am skeptical he wrote that. I just spent 5 minutes googling every relatable search term and I could not find any poems named a soldiers winter by Larry Gluck.


As for what happens in 2012 Read Post One...I massive Caldera. A super volcano. An eruption so powerful that it blankets the earth in ash and blocks the sun from the sky for years and posins the water for decades.


My claim is based on logic deduction from the john titor postings and I referenced some of the posts in post one of this thread. There are more posts that point to the same thing.



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Well thanks Darby...Larry Cluck Does exist as does his poem ..But that poem isn't what Titor wrote.


Trees are strangers, learing dissaproving in the ash of winters....Yea I didn't see one line of what Titor wrote in that poem.



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SO DARBY! I spoke with Larry Cluck. He says he wrote "a soldiers winter" in late 2005 or early 2006. And he never heard of John Titor or any of the lines I quoted him. Titor said that other people picked up the poem and added parts to it and that the original soldier that wrote it was unknown. Larry is a soldier. The original. And he wrote the original peice in 05 or 06.


The parts Titor quoted are probably the add ons and they relate directly to the coming ash cloud.


There will be much saddness on that day but as it happens maybe...just maybe we can show the nuclear powers the Titor posts and convince them to take thier finger off the button.



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A physicist agrees with the physics of John Titor. This is a copy of our email. His replies are in (paraenthesis)


I wanted to present one more thing because you brought up Kerr. The following quotes are directly from John Titor. I've edited out the time stamps but this was all put online 2-15-01. After you are done reading it would you give me your opinon about it, if you think its accurate?


Best reguards!,




DONUT-SHAPED SINGULARITY = PASSAGE INTO ALTERNATE WORLDLINE Another other more interesting result of passing through a donut singularity is that you travel through time by passing into another universe or worldline. Please see Penrose diagrams for Kerr Black holes or you can examine the calculations of Frank Tipler. So now the problem becomes?.where do we find a donut-shaped singularity?


(We find them in a roating Planck hole.)


A PONDERING HAWKING = MICROSINGULARITY Steven Hawking proposed the existence of microsingularities that were created in the big bang. They were probably about the size of a proton and disappeared over the years due to an effect of radiation evaporation. (Yes, black holes do emit energy.)




HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS = ARTIFICIAL MICROSINGULARITY When I first started posting online a few months ago, I said that major breakthroughs in particle physics were around your corner. Soon, CERN will bring their big machine on line and they will be smashing very fast and high-energy particles together. One of the more odd and potentially dangerous items produced from this incease in energy will be microsingularities a fraction of the size of an electron. (for those who would like to follow the developments at CERN) public.web.cern.ch...


(I predict the forming of mini black holes in LHC, which will explode in a flash of termical radiation. My prediction is: Mmini black hole will be about 2. 10-5 kg, however, this is the case only when at least 1015 quarks are involved in the collision. Only that will make it possible make dark energy to escape and form mini-black holes8. And the solution of detecting mini-black holes or 'duonistic neutrinos', will be determined by distinguishing light flashes of either the evaporating 'duonistic neutrinos' or the exploding mini-black holes? In both situations the calculation of temperature of Hawking-radiation can be done: T=1/8πMkB, where kB is Boltzmann's constant and M is the black hole mass, or the 'duonistic neutrino' mass.)


ARTIFICIAL MICROSINGULARITY = LOCALIZED KERR FIELD Through trial and error, and although they are quite heavy, hot and capable of putting out a great deal of energy (300 - 500 megawatts), it's discovered that these microsingularities can be electrified and captured. It is also interesting to note at this point that electrified singularities also have two event horizons. By spinning these various microsingularities, a localized Kerr field is created.


(Correct. But such a field is existing very short. So you have to generate continuously microsingularities.)


LOCALIZED KERR FIELD = TIPLER SINUSOID By using two microsingularites in close proximity to each other, it is possible to create, manipulate and alter the Kerr fields to create a Tipler gravity sinusoid. This field can be adjusted, rotated and moved in order to simulate the movement of mass through a donut-shaped singularity and into an alternate world line. Thus, safe time travel.


(Correct. But again you have to generate microsingukarities continuously to get more time to manipulate and alter the Kerr-fields. )


Dan Visser



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titorrite - or titorwrong:


Noone can go about stating half-truths. JT stated first that it was a "positive top-spin" singularities that create a standard off-set Tipler sinusoid.


Well, now I know what that means. First a singularity (and as far as I know they only think a black hole has been created -- but is negative that last a mere 13 million billionths of a second) is created that is positive. It creates a sinusoid --- which is as of now -- aether physics - and vortices.


So it is not negative but positive, and it is aether physics or a derivative of physics that really is not really worked on -- as of yet - but only by some amatuer physicists who claim that because of the Michaels- Morley Experiment or because of Maxwell -- all this happens in the future. (that aether physics is looked at again and the way regular physics is going is changed to all adopt these new views).


Now there may be corrections made to the way scientists think about physics nowadays, but not even you - titorite -- can jump the gun off of the starting gate.


So far, none of this exists as currently known now by physics.


The future??


So actually no one without some proof and some mathematical formulaes can produce anything except imagination on any of this so-called branch of physics.


It simply is statements taken about negative black holes and made into something that does not exist -- positive black holes.


You see, it just does not exist yet or is known if it will exist -- in the future.


As far as what can be proven -- it is psuedoscience as of yet.



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So timenot0. Are you a physicist? Why do you think I am posting half truths? Do you have an opinon on Titor nameing a poem title and the profesion of the poet 5 years before the poet wrote it?


Do you really think resorting to name calling helps you convince others to see your point of view?



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Oh, that was a joke. I should have put JTright - or JTwrong.


Now there are about 10% of the UFO cases that can not be explained.


that is in the other thread "Blast from the Past" since this next weekend (August 11-12 or so) scientists along with MUFON along with the UFO community there is building a model (sculpture) of the supposed spacecraft from the McMinnville UFO Photos back from 1950 (May 11 shown on June 8th, 1950) and that is one of the about 10% of UFO cases no one can explain.


They set out to prove it was a hoax by the Condon Report and ended up proving that it is a flying disk of unknown about 1.3 km distanced in the photos which seem to indicate that it is 10's of meters in diameter and that as of yet -- no scientists supposedly commissioned by the Government there at the University of Colorado can explain what the heck the object is in the photos.


Which also leads up to the way that our Government is going, protecting people if there are extraterrestrials, the science or lack of science and anything else that has led up to that one UFO case like some others on what the heck we are doing 50 some years later still proving to ourselves that -- we may not be alone.


Now, in the end, it also seems that if we have to drag along this world also to make it behave and that our science in the end is not going to prove anything about the unexplainable photos or evidence that exists except to cause an emotional reaction in people about current day events when people have to go back in history and find the heck what was going on after WWII and all those pesky reports while it seems some people are against anything that may tend to help this human species exist - in the future -- including time travellers if they even exist - in the future and you - titorite -- in the future and if the human species can not drill it through its head that -- we may not be alone anymore in this Universe.


So stating what one person stated -- like JT -- does not mean -- that anyone gets the big picture but perhaps that some people ought to sit down and discuss all these events -- and have a big pitcher of something until humans start making sense instead of trying to kill off the human species whether to know if any of this is real or makes sense or not.




Photo off of a tape. And I still am not going vertical and neither are the blue angels.



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Dan Visser is a physicist? Where did he get his education and what scientific papers has he published? I don't find any on ArXiv/Lanl...or any where else, for that matter, except on his own site.


What is "thermical radiation"? The only reference that I can find to the term, stated in those specific terms, is from Dan Visser on his site.


And TimeNot brought up a term that has been bantied about. What the heck is "positive top-spin"? Is that a made up term or does it somehow refer to a quantum physics term concerning "spin"? I know about "up" and "down" spin - and angles between the two, but what is "top" spin. Surely it isn't the POV of a 1st Sergeant, is it?


Why do you believe that he is a physicist?


(It's not criticism ...it's just a question.)



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....Perhaps you would like to use the term amature physicist? He has tried to get some papers published...Read around his site some more...Maybe ask him a few question. Hes' a very polite guy and I am sure I can't answer your questions about him and his credentials aswell as he can himself.


My best guess about top spin vrs bottom spin is that the spin maybe spin is induced from the top rather than bottom..or it could be the term top spin refers to generating the spin on the outside of the singularity as opposed to the spin being generated internally...Infact that might even allow for more control over the singularity...But I am just throwing darts in the dark. I'll try to find you a second opinion from someone else.



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DEAR GOD!!! Ok I found a better source. Spend a day on wikipedia and you'll be convinced Titor was right.


[edit] Kerr black holes as wormholes


Because of its two event horizons, it might be possible to avoid hitting the singularity of a spinning black hole, if the black hole had a Kerr metric. At the outer event horizon, the properties of spacetime allow objects to move only towards the singularity. However, when an object passes the inner event horizon, the object is able to move in directions away from the singularity, pass through another set of inner and outer event horizons, and emerge out of the black hole into another universe or another part of this universe without traveling faster than the speed of light (following a time-like path). Unfortunately, it is unlikely that interior metric of a black hole is the Kerr metric.[2] However, it is not currently known whether or not the actual geometry of a rotating black hole would provide a similar escape


Micro-black holes, Top spin positivly charged singularites, CERN, naked singularites, rotateing black holes....it is alot of theory but it all seems to have convergence toward the same end and the LHC at CERN is gonna prove the point in May 08 as either true or false... UGH that was alot of science to digest,


For Titor to be able to pick out every single exact part and then relate all the rest of the information he related...I tell you this no single individual could hoax it. that only leaves A: real deal or B: A group effort And the eye witness testemony says Single guy sooo.


Im thinking Volcanic winter in 2012 all that much more.



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My claim is based on logic deduction from the john titor postings and I referenced some of the posts in post one of this thread. There are more posts that point to the same thing.

I, for one, would love to see your logical deduction. It is a very formal process, as I would think you should be aware. If you lay it out for others it should be able to be factually verified.http://bovination.com/cbs/logicalDeduction.jsp


Perhaps the most important part of logical induction you should keep in mind when analyzing the Titor hoax is the following:


"Note that just because it derived this way doesn't make it true."


Of course, if all this is just your belief which really cannot be supported by a proper logical deduction, then there is probably little hope for ever convincing you that it is a non-sequitor, even if it actually is. Here is a logical deduction that you may wish to take into consideration:


Non-specific statements can be applied to many specific events. Titor's story contained many non-specific statements. Therefore, Titor's story can be applied to many specific events.





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sigh. no intellegent life on this planet or any other, has ever made itself known to mankind therefore there is no intelligent life on this planet or any other. HA! Hows that for a non sequitur!


On what do you base Titor being a hoax? Can you "Prove" the story as false? I don't think so. The math is all there. Spend a few hours at wiki and you'll find it. CERN is determined to do exactly as Titor said it was going to do..maybe not on the same time frame but again see wiki for the math and understand what Titor said about multiple worldlines. The science of it pans out.


Then thiers his memories. America is in a state of civil unrest. We did invade Iraq over Nukes that just wern't there. Bush has passed all sorts of legislation the has driven a wedge into the ill of rights. Hillary is running which qualifies the statement about the president in 2009 being a possible him/her. The poem "a soldiers winter" only appeared after Titor wrote about it first and Larry Cluck had no idea about John Titor and the myspace guy copied it from another GI.


Sure the above memory statments are circumstantial but in context with the scientific evidence it lends crediblity to Titors' honesty. And as we wait to see China host the 2008 olympics I bet the world will be shocked when they cancel it because of US forign policy. I wouldn't be suprised if the place an embargo on America and we soon realize that all bicycle tires are currently made in China. The last two sentences are based on beliefe Should they pass will you attribute Titors further accuracy to "lucky guessing"?


And yea the sad unfortunite truth is in 2012 the asj cloud will come to pass...even though Titor left that unspoken.



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I, for one, would love to see your logical deduction.

Here's the logic employed...Ah, but the strawberries! That's where I had them.


They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with geometric logic, that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist! And I'd have produced that key if they hadn't pulled Caine out of action! I-I-I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officer and...


Naturally, I can only cover these things from memory if I've left anything out, why, just ask me specific questions and I'll be glad to answer them...one-by-one...


(Click, clack, click, clack)


Queeg, Philip F., LTCMDR USN



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Darby! How could you?!?! That sarcasim was so fine I won't get it till I'm on my death bed. Is that what you want?!? You want to make an old man miserable on his last days of life by insulting someone so good they won't comprehend the nature of the deflamatory remarks for decades?!?!


Ya big meanie!



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Realize that the only so-called 'good' use of time travel is to get to another star or stars that have other planets around them where humans could exist. Now, some people may want to go to the Past or the Future or whatever, but the real reason at least to me, is to make Space Travel more possible. The rest, the rest is deep subconscious emotions perhaps subverting the better mode of thinking. And if Titor is correct, there will not be as many liberals coming up with the version of life that seems to be occuring now on this Planet.


And especially if other lifeforms exist in this Galaxy, humans seem to have a tendency to stick out his/her necks and that may lead to extinction due to being just plain stupid in the end.


I prefer better thinking about what the details are that makes the human species realize that to me some humans just really do not seem to actually be thinking at all in any aspect I would agree with.


Well, that is all I have to say about this time travel anymore. To me there are more important things in life then bringing up the fact that a lot of people feel lonely on this Planet enough to perhaps cause greater turmoil ( or even harm ) to the human species.


And of course it have to be star systems that are far, far, away until which time if other life did exist that both species could learn first to compliment each species instead of destroy each species.



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