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Dear Deviper,

No offence taken I appreciate the posting for it taught me a good lesson not to post something that I can not readily anylize with my own senses. I will look up the information and if I find anything that supports either side I will post it at a later date. I will not endorce it til I have done the experiments myself though to ensure accuracy. I also have a great deal of respect for you in that you seem to be a man that truely seeks for the truth and are carefull to accept only the truth. The bible does say that those who seek the truth shall find it so I wish you success in your endeavors to sift out the truth of things and hope you to have a happy new year.

 

sincerely,

 

Edwin G. Schasteen

 

 

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Dear P-Light,

I appologize for the delay. I am now teaching myself geometry and calculas for I did not have the opportunity to learn these forms of math in high school. I was lucky to get a chance to learn algebra. After I have finished teaching myself these subjects I believe that I will have the knowlege to convert the theory behind the black hole device into a mathematical statement using calculas. Graphic proofs are great but all of the physics journals I have read are written using calculas to represent mathematically whatever measurement is being discussed in that particular journal. As for the device itself in light of my lack of education I went ahead and contracted it's development to a research and development firm by the name of Davison and Associates. The device is to be a generator for sale. But the generator operates on the same theory in that increase in electrical current and voltage is obtained by constricting a parallel probagating e and h field to a smaller given space. I am not aware of whether compressing and electric field or an electric field will power output of a generator but I know that focusing a magnetic field to a smaller area increases the strength of the field in that area like sunlight focused through a convex lense. And I believe one way to increase the electrical output of a generator is to increase the field strength of the magnets being used to generate the electricity. So I cannot see why the device will no produce higher electrical voltages at higher amperage. (all parts are powered by dc current)If one tries to focus a magnetic field that is generated by an alternating current the field will decrease in amperage as the field is constricted on acount that the frequency of the field is increased as the field is twisted up. Imagine a spring, if you will, and let each revolution in the helixical spring determine the frequency. If you twist the sring in the one direction the distance between the spring crests and troughs will decrease as the spring is tightened thus increasing the frequency of the spring. As a ac current frequency increases the ac output decreases. I imagine that dc is different. I could be wrong in my interpritation of the ac theorum I just stated.

 

sincerely,

 

Edwin G. Schasteen

 

 

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n 2036, community life is a bit different. People are valued and judged based on their contribution and worth. Work is organized around the family and the value of that work is assessed inside of the community. Most communities range in size from 1000 to 4000 people. If a family wanted to move from one community to another or if a son or daughter wanted to move to another community, they must apply and be interviewed by the community leadership council. During this process, the family or individual is evaluated as to whether or not the work or skill they have is required or necessary to that individual community. Once accepted, the family or individual is expected to uphold their end of the work and support the community. If they don’t, the community stops supporting them and they are forced to change their attitude or move away from the community.

 

The family work we did was picking, sorting and shipping oranges by sailboat up and down the coast of Florida. We were expected to produce a certain amount for the community and a certain amount for other communities as agreed to by our CLC. In exchange, we received power, water, a certain amount of food and other necessities that were produced inside our community.

 

I see this message board as a small community and I have no other way to value the contributions of others on it other than what my past experiences tell me. I have tried to answer as many questions as I can without being annoying, repetitive or inappropriate… and for some of you entertaining. Under these conditions, I have decided to seek guidance from all of you, the other members of this community, as to whether or not my postings are of any value to the direction of these discussions. If they are getting distracting or repetitive, I will stop and continue to enjoy reading your thoughts and ideas.

 

((Who receives the Nobel Prize for inventing time travel? Surely, since there is a divergence from your time line such information would be of no consequence to divulge.))

 

There are a great many people involved with the discovery of time travel. Just as I will not give “stock tips”, I will not divulge their names as that may impact their lives now.

 

((Timetraveler_0 have you ever heard of the "Waveriders"?))

 

No, I can’t say that I have although I am in no position to say if it’s true or not.

 

((What could you surmise, as to what might happen, as a result if you provided us with copies of various news articles in relation to "Technology Reports" published a year in our future, or any "Time" after (Such as in your "Worldline" as you so describe?))

 

If I had any and I published them, I’m sure they may have a large impact. Unfortunately, I don’t have any with me. Even if I did, I’m sure they would be scrutinized also. Again we get back to the same question. If you were a time traveler, what would you do to establish your credibility?

 

((You said that there were 7 other time travellers that you knew of who were on various missions from 2036 on your timeline. I am curious have people in 2036 been visited by people from further in the future? One would think that once time travel was possible and widely known that visitors from other time frames would be more likely to be visible and willing to be upfront about their visitation to the period after time travel, A.T.T (after time travel)).

 

No, I am not aware of time travelers visiting my worldline in 2036. However, that does not mean it can’t or isn’t happening. Also, the possible number of worldlines a time traveler might arrive at would place the chances of them hitting any particular one at very long odds.

 

((However, there is one thing I would like to know. TimeTravel_0 if in fact you have been to the future, what happens to JCS- ME =)? Am I deeply involved in this Time Travel project as well? What of the resistance?))

 

I have no idea what happens to you in your future. There was a resistance on my worldline but their goal was to maintain power and control over other people. We killed most of them by 2020.

 

(Does anyone know how big an IBM 5100 is??)

 

I would say its about 20” long, 10” high and 30” long.

 

((I've had a ...erm...falling out with T-T-0 in the past as you have no doubt seen if you have read the past messages.))

 

I’m not aware we had a falling out. I apologize if you think that’s the case.

 

((in the 2036,do they still publish books?

if so,do they still have those Cliff Notes books? the yellow ones,about things like physics and geometry and common time displacement theory and such?

hint hint... ))

 

Yes, books are still published. If I had any cliff notes with me I would let you decide if they should be posted or not.

 

((is the government regulating the time machine you used to get here, or are you free to do as you choose?))

 

The displacement machine is not mine but I am free to make certain decisions based on the experiences and information I gather from each worldline. I am expected back but from their perspective, I will only have been gone for a split second.

 

((So do you plan on keep avoid answering my questions? You been awfully quiet since I've returned... Time Traveling must keep you very busy huh.))

 

I’m not sure what questions you are referring to. You did ask one question about yourself, right below the link to your website. I am confused why you would think I would know anything about you.

 

 

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Thank you rgrunt. Peace and success to you likewise.

 

trott:

 

Well said.

 

I think sometimes poeple confuse "open minded" with "gullible".

 

Open minded is when you are ready (open) to recieve any information that can be enlightening or even just plain subjective to you. In this, all things are possible.

 

Except...

 

Being gullible. This is when you unquestioningly accept something just because someone else says so. One has to do one's own homework to get to real truth.

 

Gullibility then deteriorates into the worse condition of all. Self imposed ignorance. This is where one accepts as true, that which has ALREADY BEEN PROVEN to not be so. Or continues to believe that something is NOT so when it has been proven to be true. Those who still believe the world is flat fall into this last category. And they are STILL out there.

 

Maybe TT_O IS a Time Traveller. But his reluctance to offer any proof of such damages his credibility. Saying he "doesn't care" whether he is believed or not is really nothing more than a cop out. And allows him to side-step the issue of proof.

 

I cannot say for sure whether Time Travel is, or ever WILL be possible. I simply don't know. But I have a certain amount of confidence that TT_O is NOT one.

 

His story IS creative. But the physics just don't add up.

 

 

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Well that was a pretty interesting picture of the future you painted for us TimeTravel_0. Although, that is just 1 version of events. And your complete disregard of your Time Line will cease to exist now. Telling us this, will without a doubt change all that you described.

 

If in fact it's true hehe.

 

Personally, I know already that life will turn into one big collective in the future. Hence my resistance...

 

Individuality as people in the way we lead our lives, is no longer our choice. Then you know that my resistance will fight for the freedom to destroy oppression.

 

Further more, my identity in the future would most likely be changed ... Nevertheless, if you have been to the future, you know who I am.

 

No doubt about that...

 

-J.C.

 

[This message has been edited by TimeTravelActivist (edited 05 January 2001).]

 

 

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TT_0:

 

I belive you, i dont know why but i belive you, but i think the other guys need a real clue for belive you, so, i think you can take a photo of your clothes and post it, or your credencial, because if you work for the goberment, you need to had a credential of the gob in the future, and of curse you need to have clothes from the future, or you travel nude?

 

And what about the social system in the future, its so like socialism, only there one thing wrong, on socialism theres no religion, so please tell me, in the future the church stop to steal money, and manipulate people, or how works the structure of the church in the future?

 

I had just another question, what happen in the future whit mexico and the latinamericans.

 

Atte: a fan of you, TT_1.

 

 

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Well, what do we have here ? There seems to be some Latino homiez in da house here... I'm part Hispanic too bro's.

 

Hey, listen up... As a Time Traveler to the future my self, I have seen the uniforms. I have even put one on. Therefore, if TimeTraveler_0 can offer us a picture of his uniform as proof, I will verify it's legitimacy with the one I wore.

 

However, I wouldn't count on you actually telling us the truth... I know people, and I can sense when they are telling the truth, and when they are lying.

 

Isn't that right people? (Those of you who know me, when have I ever been wrong about people?). I told you so, so many times .

 

Anyway's, if you can get this picture and I know you can't. I would like to establish a real-time chat. We will invite 3 or 5 members to represent each side.

 

Your side, claiming to have Time Traveled and making a big public notice about it. And me, who will set the record straight and who will verify your story. Let me just let you know right now; this won't be an easy chat for you. There will be no more posts where you can think of what to say and take your time with.

 

You will be caught in lies either by me, or my side of members.

 

So, are you up to the challenge? Answer A.S.A.P. by Go or No-Go. However, if your answer is No-Go, please supply a statement saying why.

 

Got to go for now.

 

-J.C.

 

[This message has been edited by TimeTravelActivist (edited 06 January 2001).]

 

 

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To Timetravel Activist;

 

you've been here longer than TT_O and we are still waiting for YOU to prove that you have ever been to the future. I'm going to the future too, one day at a time. When I get there, I'll STILL be waiting for you to prove it.

 

Here is a little test for you. What is your opinion of the Montauk material?

 

 

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timetravel_1 whom's side will you be arguing for?

 

Anyone else?

 

Juanito, I am not a Time Traveler like TimeTraveler_0 claims to be. I didn't get into any machine from the future or anything like that.

 

No, my connection to Time and its nature is unique. I've had it since birth. There is no way to truly explain how I know or seen the future. Nevertheless, everyday I'm finding out new things .

 

And about GW Bush, I don't know what to tell you. Although I have an uncle that looks like him .

 

-J.C.

 

 

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Shadow,

 

Have I never explained my self?

 

Thousands of times, and in the best way I know how.

 

How many times have I said that the future is a @$#%!* place?

 

How many times have I said to band Time Travel?

 

Have you ever seen my website?

 

It's been there for the longest time, explaining how I feel about Time Travel, and what we as concerned people should do.

 

I don't need to say I am a Time Traveler like TimeTraveler_0 to tell you what I have seen. In addition, I don't claim to have been from the future how TimeTraveler_0 states he is. I have explained that I have this connection to it, enabling me to see things.

 

Check my past posts and my website, I don't speak of it directly like TimeTraveler_0 did, but you get the general idea of what I am trying to mean.

 

Here it is again http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/9822/ also read the information about me page.

 

Sincerely,

Javier C.

 

 

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TT_0 thanks for the reply RE: sharing future technological reports, or publications...

 

You have expressed an inability to provide them now, for lack of having any with you, before you arrived in our "Worldline"

 

Could you please make a note, to remind yourself to bring them with you on your "Next Visit" here?

(Providing there will be another "Visit")

 

Meanwhile, why not use your memory to paint us a more "Specific" picture of your worldline, by providing us with some more "Detailed" information that would provide to those who may be more skeptical? in the least by accepting this challange (instead of avoiding it) what harm would it possibly bring? if you keep out any information that may not be acceptably permissable in order to prevent any clandestine repercussions of the future outcome of a series of events which are crucial to our future to come, so that they may play out their roles, as they were intended, I can only see that there are still many variable details that you "CAN" Disclose to us that would not be this detrimental, and only "Add" to your Credability.

 

One good example of such, I would like to ask you to disclose the names of these "Five Presidents" that you mentioned earlier.

 

*Who:> Who are they?

and who are those involved with breathing life into this supposed NWO, that many people in our current world-line are so afraid of?

 

*What:> A.)What are their primary, and post secondary functions within the New GVT?

 

B.) What is the extent of their Authoritive positions of power?

 

C.) What is our New GVT like, compared to our worldline's current GVT?

(is it anything Like the Dreded NWO as predicted?, or did this dictatorial NWO rise to power as prohecised, and suddenly get defeated?*(was this what you implyed by your earlier comment represented by the nuber of those slain, that attempted to "control" the free citizens?)

 

*Where:> Where do they reside?

 

*When:> When do each of them officialy acquire their respective positions of Authority?

 

Why:> Why did the New GVT suddenly enlist five Presidents?

 

(Anyone else care to jump on this & add more questions pertaing?)

 

 

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Juanito,

 

Slow down high speed … I don't know your future; it's what you want it to be. If you are determined to do something with your life, then you will do it.

 

How I am determined to do something about Time Travel someday, I know what will be my fate.

 

Nevertheless, if your looking for a fortune forecast, I'm not the right person to see about that. Maybe not now anyway's .

 

-J.C.

 

P.S. How I know I am being watched? You asked me in an e-mail. Let me just say that if you were to spend a day in my shoes you’d see what I mean. I can’t explain it, you have to experience it. A teacup cannot break the same way twice, or so I once thought.

 

 

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Assuming time travel is possible. I do not see how one could band it from being used. In fact, how would one even know that it was used? If you buy into the multiple universe intrepretation of quantum mechanics, would not the time traveller simply pop out of existence in our universe never to be seen again? How would it be possible to band time travel in the infinite multitude of parallel universes, since each universe represents one of an infinite albeit different sequence of events/choices? To "fight" against the infinite diversity of existence in all of its infinite combinitations does not seem logical (at least to me that is). And if you do not buy the multiverse idea, then if time travel is to be used it can not be stopped since time travel would only be possible on closed time like curves, i.e. self-fulfilling destinies in a manner of speaking. Personally, I do not even see how it is possible for one to realize that they were in a closed timelike loop much less escape it. For all things would be as they were as they are and as they will be. Actually, a lack of multiple universes seems a little depressing to me. It seems it would imply an unchangeable fate, for whatever actions we take we were destined to and no matter what technologies we may think up would be able to erase the mistakes of our past or change the past course of our existence. And if that is in fact the case, the only real benefit time travel would have is for scientific and historical purposes. Unless, you were killed by a time traveller from the future but if that happens you need not worry because it was suppose to happen!

 

 

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I also like your thinking trott. The idea of "banning" Time Travel has already been dealt with in fiction. I can't remember the author, but it appeared in one of the Hugo Annual Anthologies.

 

The premise is, if you have a machine that can travel in time, you can just as easily use it to simply "see" into the future (or past) without having to actually travel there.

 

You can set it to whatever period you like. 1 million years from now. Or 100. Or even 1/10th of a second from now.

 

Why would you choose this latter setting? Why, to see into your neighboor's bedroom of course. 1/10th of a second into the future is virtually like being there now.

 

This is why it was banned.

 

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DaViper,

 

i wasnt aware that time travel had been banned..

 

Trott,

if they wanted to ban time travel,"they" could kill you off when you returned..

 

TTA,

 

i remember some time ago on the artbell show,some woman claimed to be a "born time traveler".She said she would occasionally slip in and out of other time lines.she said she always returned to where she left off in our time.

is this the way it is with you?

 

FastWalker2

 

 

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Hi people,

 

I agree with Trott here... Banning time-travel (if time-travel is possible in the first place) seems virtually impossible.

 

However I find it very disturbing that people would want to ban time-travel. That's like trying to stop the invention of computertechnology. Time-travel may prove to be very useful in the future.

 

TimeTravelActivist: You are right, I haven't been around long enough to know what you're all about. However, after reading your website I decided that your story is just as trustworthy as Timetravel_0s'story, but it lacks evidence. Yet you want him to prove that he's a timetraveler. Don't you think that's a little bit unfair?

 

Greetings from rainy Amsterdam

 

 

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Roel van Houten

How is it unfair? He says he can prove it, he has the evidence necessary to.

 

What do I have? Just my own experiences as proof. If anything, it's unfair to me. I have nothing to bring out in the open.

 

Fast,

I'd like to hear this news broadcast. Sounds like something I might be experiencing. Once when I was 7, I told my sister, Abraham Lincoln wasn't supposed to have been killed. Ever since then, she still thinks I'm a bit crazy . Go fig…

 

-J.C.

 

P.S. Baning Time Travel to exploit the past is what I meant. You people took me to literal, everybody knows that that’s what I always mean by baning it …

 

 

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