Something perhaps in favour of theology

[Angleochoas]

Here's a silly question that raises perhaps an interesting furthering question;

 

if one were to believe in creation along the lines of evolution, how would one explain the organisms realization of the reception of light?

 

(meaning how would a blob of life evolving ever figure out it could use what light produces and create a receptor, IE. eyes).

 

Depending upon the answer it's almost like the chicken and egg question for the point of which creates which out of necessity?

 

It's funny how light not only measures time, but as well gives our imagery of the universe around us. Perhaps that cause of duality in itself lends an indication towards the grand unification theory more than we realize?

 

Interesting possibilities.

 

(Notice from the post subject header that "theology" is a very broad and always evolving term in and of itself...over time ).

 

 

[RainmanTime]

It's funny how light not only measures time, but as well gives our imagery of the universe around us. Perhaps that cause of duality in itself lends an indication towards the grand unification theory more than we realize?

Interesting possibilities.

You ain't just whistling Dixie, Angleo. This is a very astute post, especially as it relates to Time and how we define and perceive it. I would say this post of yours is very much NOT off topic and probably good material for the main TT Discussion Forum... if you wish?Visible light is our highest frequency physical sense, as human living systems. It should be no surprise that for any type of "closed-loop" perceiving and reacting system like ourselves that the highest frequency sense will set its perception of, and therefore definition of, TIME.

 

The key to "Time Travel" is in this realization. But when I use the words "Time Travel" they mean something very different than the romantically popular view of it.

 

Notice from the post subject header that "theology" is a very broad and always evolving term in and of itself...over time

Again, a most astute observation... our conception of what amounts to "what God really is" changes as our knowledge of the universe matures. This fact is what is precipitating our eventual evolution as a species, in the next few years. We will view TIME very differently as our view of the universe and its workings reaches a new high.RMT

 

 

[reactor1967]

Here's a silly question that raises perhaps an interesting furthering question;

if one were to believe in creation along the lines of evolution, how would one explain the organisms realization of the reception of light?

 

(meaning how would a blob of life evolving ever figure out it could use what light produces and create a receptor, IE. eyes).

 

Depending upon the answer it's almost like the chicken and egg question for the point of which creates which out of necessity?

 

It's funny how light not only measures time, but as well gives our imagery of the universe around us. Perhaps that cause of duality in itself lends an indication towards the grand unification theory more than we realize?

 

Interesting possibilities.

 

(Notice from the post subject header that "theology" is a very broad and always evolving term in and of itself...over time ).

 

Every journey begins with a single step.

It is my understanding that evolution works on genetic changes. The changes could happen by cosmic rays damanging DNA in unpredictable ways or the changes can be environmental or other wise. Anything that creats changes in the DNA or even RNA. The changes that benifit life stay and the changes that don,t benifit life does not live on but the good changes will. As life evolves it gains new abilities it did not have before like locomotion, site, hearing or sonar or sense of virbration. It develops defenses and or weapons like teeth. It takes a very very long time for this to happen with life. There is some good software out there that can demostrate on your computer how evolution works.

[Angleochoas]

I guess what was missed, is that in taking for granted we have this gift called "Sight" - evolution could have evolved many other functions just as accurate or more so.

 

 

[RainmanTime]

I guess what was missed, is that in taking for granted we have this gift called "Sight" - evolution could have evolved many other functions just as accurate or more so.

Very good point, Angleo. And it is not only accuracy, but perhaps the better metric to use is bandwidth, as in how much information bandwidth any particular sense delivers to the brain for processing and perception. A perfect example of this is the olefactory (smell) sense in dogs. While in humans it is clear that our eyes are the highest bandwidth sense, in dogs their sense of smell delivers a great deal more information than their eyes do. I have heard it described as: a dog's sense of smell has such a high bandwidth where we tend to envision things in our minds, a dog would tend to "ensmell" things in their minds (i.e. the olefactory analog to vision). A dog's hearing is also superior to a human's, and it also has a wider bandwidth when you think of the cases where a tone is so high pitched a human cannot hear it but a dog can.There are three metrics that quantify any particular sensory capability: It's GAIN profile, its PHASE profile, and its operating BANDWIDTH. All of these metrics taken over all the distinct senses that a living being possesses characterize how that being perceives the universe around them.

 

RMT

 

 

[reactor1967]

I guess what was missed, is that in taking for granted we have this gift called "Sight" - evolution could have evolved many other functions just as accurate or more so.

Yes we have sight which for myself I like better than smell. Somethings I don,t want to smell or have the ability to smell it better.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

RMT:

 

I never thought of the senses as as using bandwith. It takes so many neurons in the brain to process this information and the brain can be geared to processing different kinds of information whether that be sight, smell, touch, emotions, data, and handle body functions as well including movement. Evolution as I call it some call it creation has given life forms at least the multi-cell forms of life at least a very limited to advance ability to process information. When I was working with AI's in programming I learned to appreciate how well it works and understand why it is so complicated.

 

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How a neuron works basicly.

 

Inputs > Weighted Sum of Inputs > Threshold functions > Outputs to other neurons

 

How a brain works is that it is highly interconnected meaning the neurons are highly interconnected to each other. The neurons constantly feed back information to each other which is a kind of memory of the previoius information that was processed so that incomming information can be processed more accurately. Now, this is not the memory that we normally think of. That is something else in the brain that stores memories and retrieves them. Moving on this is what helps us to learn and to do task as well as other things. For a computer to perform as well as a human does mentally not talking physically that is another topic in a un-predictable environment it would have to be at least a 4 terabyte computer. That is a lot of bandwith. And, the program would have to be pre-written then allowed to evolve over time to teach the computer to learn to cope with its environment. That is basicly how life works too. Currently AI life can,t compete in an environment as well as a humans can.

 

A human soul is basicly a pre-written organic program made of neurons as the main component but not the only one that is allowed to evolve and learn over time with its environment.

 

When the brain dies this learned information and data processing is gone forever because at this time there is no way to back it up. Now this is evolution. Creation says a soul lives on after death. I would only believe that if some physics can be shown to prove that. If the soul is a collection of pre-written and evolved (learned) information then through the natural processes of the universe that information can come into and go out of existance over and over again. So for me this is my creation until proven other wise.

 

 

[reactor1967]

The key to "Time Travel" is in this realization. But when I use the words "Time Travel" they mean something very different than the romantically popular view of it.

Reference point ------------------------------------------------------------------- Time line...........................|..........|..........|..........|..........|..........|. Measurement.

 

so to time travel - Im here...............................................Now Im here. This can be in a physcal sense or in a knowledge or information sense. The study of Dinosaures is a good example of the knowledge or information sense. I only know two forms of time travel. The romantically popular view would be the physical time travel. Light is natures form of time travel. With it we can look billions of years into the past that is as close to physical time travel as we might ever get.