Are humans the only creatures that transform 3D to 2D?

[PaulaJedi]

Humans seem to be the only creatures (of which we are aware) that can transform a 3D objects to 2D with art. I don't know if apes can, but they are humanoid, so my guess is yes. Elephants only do it with training. They aren't intentionally drawing objects. They are reacting to cues from their trainer. Are there any intelligent creatures out there that can paint and draw, intentionally, like humans? I can't think of any, but if I'm wrong, please let me know. I'd really be interested to hear about it!!!

 

 

[ABC123]

Interesting. I can not think of another creature that would do such a thing. The human mind precieves and translates things in such detail. Many of the old master artists are incredible at their depictions of form and space on a two dimensional canvas. It boggles my artist mind at the details they can product.

 

Computers and other such devices like robots could/are possibly able to produce realism on a flat surface.

 

I did think of the circus elephant who paints with trunk or the monkey/chimpanzee that could mess around with art media, but they are not going to render the illusion of three dimensions.

 

I wonder if we, humans, could even train animal to see and make art like that?

 

 

[PaulaJedi]

Interesting. I can not think of another creature that would do such a thing. The human mind precieves and translates things in such detail. Many of the old master artists are incredible at their depictions of form and space on a two dimensional canvas. It boggles my artist mind at the details they can product.Computers and other such devices like robots could/are possibly able to produce realism on a flat surface.I did think of the circus elephant who paints with trunk or the monkey/chimpanzee that could mess around with art media, but they are not going to render the illusion of three dimensions.

 

I wonder if we, humans, could even train animal to see and make art like that?

I'm thinking I found one major thing exclusive to humanity. (Again, I consider apes humanoid). Some people said humans are the only beings that can lie. That's not true! My cats sure know how to lie. "I didn't do it!" :)A computer can create 2D art with instruction by the human. It can make random fractal art on its own, though.

 

 

[ABC123]

I'm thinking I found one major thing exclusive to humanity. (Again, I consider apes humanoid). Some people said humans are the only beings that can lie. That's not true! My cats sure know how to lie. "I didn't do it!" A computer can create 2D art with instruction by the human. It can make random fractal art on its own, though.

Agreed on both accounts. Computers by human again. Cats are spiteful. We had a cat that vomited often. It seemed like every time we did not feed her at her regular time of day she would throw up.My husband fed her ice cream on occasion. One time when I was eating some I refused to share. She was like stalking around me. Then she started to make her vomiting noises and hunching over. When I lowered the ice cream down, she stopped and was just fine. In a sense she was lying. I can't recall if i gave her any ice cream.

 

 

[Gpa]

Your cat had GERD.

 

 

[KerrTexas]

Some people said humans are the only beings that can lie.

Would deception be considered the same as lying? Thinking of bears that charge, then seemingly run away, when in fact they're circling around to attack from a different direction.

[heka]

hi paula

 

Shouldn't there be a necessity for that kind of ability? Why should an animal have that ability without using it?

 

And if one exists (meaning not evolved recently) ,there would be signs of it at least.

 

On the other hand every animal that has two eyes and sees the difference in depth should be aware of 2D just closing one.So i guess there are aware but have no use for it?

 

Is my logic off too far?

 

heka

 

 

[PaulaJedi]

Would deception be considered the same as lying? Thinking of bears that charge, then seemingly run away, when in fact they're circling around to attack from a different direction.

According to the definition, yes! Animals are liars!de·cep·tion

 

dəˈsepSH(ə)n/

 

noun

 

1. the action of deceiving someone."obtaining property by deception"
    
   
   • a thing that deceives."a range of elaborate deceptions"
      
     synonyms:
      
     

 

deceit, deceitfulness, duplicity, double-dealing, fraud, cheating,trickery, chicanery, deviousness, slyness, wiliness, guile, bluff, lying,pretense, treachery;

 

informal crookedness, monkey business,monkeyshines

 

 

[PaulaJedi]

hi paulaShouldn't there be a necessity for that kind of ability? Why should an animal have that ability without using it?And if one exists (meaning not evolved recently) ,there would be signs of it at least.

 

On the other hand every animal that has two eyes and sees the difference in depth should be aware of 2D just closing one.So i guess there are aware but have no use for it?

 

Is my logic off too far?

 

heka

What you are saying makes sense. We use 2D drawing for maps and such. Animals wouldn't have a use for that ability unless they plan on mapping out the jungle.

[Gpa]

I suppose it may depend on how you interpret the "dance" done by Honey Bees, the directions to a pollen source. Is it 2D or still 3D.

 

 

[heka]

Hi gpa

 

That is exactly what came to my mind when i read "mapping out the jungle".

 

I think humans have to dumb down 3D to 2D, to grasp it or better said to communicate the information.

 

The honey bee dance(s) HAS(HAVE) to be in 3D in my opinion, as the world they fly in isn't 2D, is it?

 

Other animals "map" quite good....birds, ants, bees, whales, fishes. I am almost forced to say way better than we do.

 

Sorry for drifting a little away, so back to topic.

 

You a very specific with your posting Paula, so i guess it's pretty easy to answer.

 

Humans seem to be the only creatures (of which we are aware) that can transform a 3D objects to 2D with art.

With art ?????Havent seen any cave painting from birds.....SO FAR!

 

Well, not counting stork poo on rooftops!

 

3D art without converting it into 2D?

 

Pretty much possible i would say.

 

There are birds decorating their nest to impress their possible mate and crabs decorating themselfes to get l..d.

 

In my opinion that kind of behavior demonstrates that at least some kind of artistic evolution is going on there.

 

So afterall it seems we are the only ones so far in this solar system to dumb ourselfes down in order to communicate complex things in a two dimensional way.

 

It seems that made the trick in our evolution.

 

Anyway Paula, interesting thought you had there, thx:thumbsup:

 

heka

 

 

[PaulaJedi]

Proof that cats lie.