togan01 Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 I'm new here - Hello! First off, I don't own a HDR. But what I don't understand is that after searching all over the internet, I can't find even ONE person who has bought & used this device - debunking it or claiming they were taken in by a fraud. Isn't that interesting? I believe Steve Gibbs first started selling them in the late 80's after an interview with Art Bell. Since then he claims to have made $60,000 a year from it. From that point to now he must have made 1000's of the devices (...or certainly 100's). Where are all these customers with their claims of fraud, debunking it? I can't find any! ... What's going on!? Are they ALL satisfied customers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ZPE Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Since then he claims to have made $60,000 a year from it. From that point to now he must have made 1000's of the devices (...or certainly 100's). claims is the keyword, we don't have access to his bank account and can't possibly know if he's even made a dollar since the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetNiles Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 I'm new here - Hello!First off, I don't own a HDR. But what I don't understand is that after searching all over the internet, I can't find even ONE person who has bought & used this device - debunking it or claiming they were taken in by a fraud. Isn't that interesting? I believe Steve Gibbs first started selling them in the late 80's after an interview with Art Bell. Since then he claims to have made $60,000 a year from it. From that point to now he must have made 1000's of the devices (...or certainly 100's). Where are all these customers with their claims of fraud, debunking it? I can't find any! ... What's going on!? Are they ALL satisfied customers? Emperor's new clothes; if it doesn't work for you then evidently you're doing something wrong... As for the 60k USD; has anyone told the IRS? :evil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarLord Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Perhaps you need to think outside the box. That being, folks are way too embarassed that they got ripped off and paid $350 for a make believe time machine. Would you tell your parents or mate you were that stupid? I have seen posts where people got ripped off and Gibbs never returned their calls... Imagine that, it does not work. It's all good. You too can be Napoleon Dynamite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Theodore Logan Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Vote for Pedro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thursday Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 hahahah Napoleon Dynamite was so hilarious, great movie! & about the HDR, sure it does something.. but it won't be time travel. It's not like there's a switch for a Time Travel modus or anything. I thought the device was in the category of radionics/psionics or something? If that's true you can make the same device for 100$ yourself. There are plans for it somewhere, I can post a link if you want to. Nothing is guaranteed though, it's all in the power of the mind. These devicec do accelerate the power of the mind, you will probably feel tingling or something. Like your vibrations being raised, this will IMO give you the impression everything is possible (which is true) thus creating the experiences you want much faster than just thinking/meditating on it without the device. Search google for "hdrkidblogspot" I think he is even active on the forum somehow.. I'm also curious about his predictions of the future, but I doubt his claims very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonathanLock Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 you don't need a machine to travel through time. you have your mind. it's the greatest supercomputing machine ever constructed and has adaptive capabilities. problem is that we haven't even began to understand how exactly we can use our brains. most of what we do is automated by the subconsciousness and no-one who thinks about that. imagine unlocking your mind, making you responsible for every breath and heartbeat.. and also capable of every unknown ability the mind still holds in store for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpington2019 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 "Your scientists have yet to discover how neural networks create self-consciousness, let alone how the human brain processes two-dimensional retinal images into the three-dimensional phenomenon known as perception. Yet you somehow brazenly declare seeing is believing?" one of my favorite quotes... =Orp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarLord Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 For me, I'd rather not screw around with some radionic placebo fake type "time machine" that creates a magnetic field. We have enough of them screwing our brain cells as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wildstar Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 I agree. Something some dude created from stuff he bought at radio shack is not something I'm strapping to MY head. There have been some studies that inducing a strong magnetic field that modulates somehow can cause a mild form of temporal epilepsy and this can trigger religious visions and the like. But If your not into religion and are into aliens it may trigger an abduction experiance, and if you into time travel your perception of time may be altered. It is possible that this coil around your head does induce a similar reaction in some people. I will now look for a link to the study.... Heres one reference... (Persinger EMF article) and this.. https://web.archive.org/web/20070414134915/http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/appelle.pdf The theory is used here to explain ufo abduction stories but I believe it would also apply to feelings of temporal dislocation in susceptible subjects. So by a slim margin of likelyhood this HDR may be doing something, but I do not believe it causes actual time travel. A modulated EM field pulsing in sync with the theta band frequency of the brain would be a bit more plausible to me, but I don't think the HDR machine works this way, I think it is a static non modulated field. I could build such a devise but, why? It would be a dangerous endevour to strap something to your head that may cause a temporal lobe epileptic siesure or other unknown effect on your mind without the supervision of specialists in brain function monitoring you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetNiles Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 I agree. Something some dude created from stuff he bought at radio shack is not something I'm strapping to MY head. There have been some studies that inducing a strong magnetic field that modulates somehow can cause a mild form of temporal epilepsy and this can trigger religious visions and the like. But If your not into religion and are into aliens it may trigger an abduction experiance, and if you into time travel your perception of time may be altered. It is possible that this coil around your head does induce a similar reaction in some people. I will now look for a link to the study....Heres one reference... (Persinger EMF article) and this.. https://web.archive.org/web/20070414134915/http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/appelle.pdf The theory is used here to explain ufo abduction stories but I believe it would also apply to feelings of temporal dislocation in susceptible subjects. So by a slim margin of likelyhood this HDR may be doing something, but I do not believe it causes actual time travel. A modulated EM field pulsing in sync with the theta band frequency of the brain would be a bit more plausible to me, but I don't think the HDR machine works this way, I think it is a static non modulated field. I could build such a devise but, why? It would be a dangerous endevour to strap something to your head that may cause a temporal lobe epileptic siesure or other unknown effect on your mind without the supervision of specialists in brain function monitoring you. Thanks for those Wildstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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