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What is your question about divergence? It is possible he would be able to see this post in his future via archive. Zero divergence is mathematically possible, but many don't think it can be achieved after time traveling. Have not received an answer as to WHY, though. Math is math. They should figure out the technology eventually.

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What is your question about divergence? It is possible he would be able to see this post in his future via archive. Zero divergence is mathematically possible, but many don't think it can be achieved after time traveling. Have not received an answer as to WHY, though. Math is math. They should figure out the technology eventually.

 

I think one of the biggest barriers to zero divergence comes down to the uncertainty principle. We can either know an objects position, or its speed...but never both at the exact same time--which will always make uncertainty a factor. There are forces that have specified levels of uncertainty with each measurement we take (Alpha & Beta decay for example) that will cause the probability of measuring the exact same values more than once less likely.

 

If Alpha decay has an emission range of ~4Mev-9Mev, and averages at ~5.5Mev for most observations under normal conditions-->That can be thought of as the "central probability zone" where as low as <1-2% divergence is possible. Taking the same measurement at the same spot in time in a different universe can produce different results.

 

Lets imagine a divergence experiment with trains:

Objective: Measure the energy of a given Alpha or Beta emission to identify divergence.

 

Step 1) Measure the emission on Train A in Cart A, where Cart A represents the moment in time you take your measurement

Step 2) Write down the value of the emission to use as the benchmark (We'll call this D0)

Step 3) Hit a button on a box, which blows out confetti, before traveling "back in time" to take a new measurement

Step 4) Move from Cart A on Train A -> Cart A Train B to take a new measurement

Step 5) Take the same measurement on Train B, and write down the value for comparison to D0 (We'll call this D1)

Step 6) If D1 = D0 you will hit the button on the box, which bursts out some confetti.

If D1 <> D0 you will not hit the box on the button, but will instead do a backflip

Step 7) Repeat this process hundreds of times, moving from Cart A on each Train to each other Train

 

This is an oversimplified scenario, but you might be able to imagine already how the uncertain decay of some particles can in turn lead to divergence. Even if you found a way to minimize the probability variance of something like Alpha Decay--variance is going to happen eventually. When that happens and you do not hit the button, no confetti is blown. If confetti is not blown you've caused a divergent universe where you do a backflip.

 

Does the above make sense? It's never impossible...but it can be so mathematically improbable that the likelihood of 0.00% divergence is so unlikely that it can be considered impossible.

-Oz

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Titor said he come to stop the WW3 that starts 2015, he said he come from 2036, he said that he'll be gone... He shouldnt have to be gone, when timeline change whe shouldnt be here in the first place but now that he was, there was no ww3, there was a John Titor. I have reasons to believe there shouldnt be corona virus, i believe that Titor change things to worst, what i need is talk to Titor, if he/she was here by time travel like said, must be here to answer the questions that only he/she could answer

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Titor said he come to stop the WW3 that starts 2015, he said he come from 2036, he said that he'll be gone... He shouldnt have to be gone, when timeline change whe shouldnt be here in the first place but now that he was, there was no ww3, there was a John Titor. I have reasons to believe there shouldnt be corona virus, i believe that Titor change things to worst, what i need is talk to Titor, if he/she was here by time travel like said, must be here to answer the questions that only he/she could answer

 

 

Butterfly effect? Maybe there will be a WW3, just different players.

 

I'm not sure about the divergence idea. If I wanted to save this world from disaster and traveled through time to fix it, yet, went to another timeline, then I am not really fixing this world. So with divergence, what's the point?

" While my book Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea is entirely a work of imagination, my conviction is that all I said in it will come to pass. " ~ Jules Verne

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Titor said he come to stop the WW3 that starts 2015, he said he come from 2036, he said that he'll be gone... He shouldnt have to be gone, when timeline change whe shouldnt be here in the first place but now that he was, there was no ww3, there was a John Titor. I have reasons to believe there shouldnt be corona virus, i believe that Titor change things to worst, what i need is talk to Titor, if he/she was here by time travel like said, must be here to answer the questions that only he/she could answer

 

Stopping something like WW3 from occurring in any predefined scenario relative to a traveler cannot be anything less than a 5% divergence.

5% divergence is huge, and would cause several people not even to be born. Even if someone like Titor did pull it off & resulted in a worldline where they were never born at all...that doesn't stop them from continuing to exist. They just become unbound from whatever timeline they originally came from. I know the feeling.

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So with divergence, what's the point?

 

Selfishness. Selflessness. Some misguided senses of powers and right and wrong.

Sometimes it's because of love or affection. Sometimes it's because of a promise that you'd be there for someone else.

Sometimes it's to stop individuals who abuse their powers and hurt others, no matter if in some other worldline those people are fine.

 

The same can be said about any traveler who avoids divergences like they won't happen anyway.

-Oz

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How can a time traveler guarantee there won't be huge amounts of divergence after he posts publicly? Or would that be his goal?

 

The only thing they can guarantee is that divergence is almost certain. There is a little bit of flexibility though.

Events that occur between two fixed points relatively short distances away from each other (in years) will cause less divergence, assuming nothing major is done. It's the same concept as the train scenario--where you can have conversations with people in Cart A on Train A --> then jump to Cart A on Train B & have different conversations. The carts in this analogy are like fixed points. Little things like conversations can change, but you're not changing the cart.

-Oz

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When a time traveler goes back and change something everything changes. When history changed traveler should dissapear in our timeline, because he never needed to come back, future that traveler came from never happened. I believe that happend to Titor, he/she will travel through time until the end of time itself, just not in our timeline anymore.

I believed that he/she changed something, because all the info we have that there was no ww3 start at 2015. But in present, there are changes lime mandela effect, it aint tho. İf there is no one experienced in time travel, its all i can say

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