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people are selfish,, if the invention of the "time travel machine" many people will try to manipulate the "history" to avoid many accident, at the moment we can see many Terrible history such as WW2,,human also suffer many kinds of disese and disaster,,that why i think time Travle is impossible

 

 

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It wouldn't really matter. Our history is set. The only changes these people would make is the history of a parallel universe. It's possible that once they activate they're device, they might never be seen again.

 

Ofcourse, this line of thinking also has its flaws. There has been some evidence that might suggest time travel as the culprit, like human skeletons found in bedrock hundreds of million years old.

 

If these are the remains of time travellers, they would most likely be from a parallel universe, and the changes they have made resulted in our universe.

 

You're right; if people had access to a time machine, they would probably try to change history. Like WWII. We might have lost originally, and some time traveller changed it. This has been the basis of many sci-fi stories.

 

I don't think completely preventing an event as big as a world wide war is practical. Suppose you killed Hitler. It's possible someone else would have gained power instead. Changing the outcome would be alot easier, by giving strategic information to the right people.

 

Time travel is possible; wether it's practical or not is another story. The energy required is enormous, but given the rate of technology, who knows?

 

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I have a hard time believing the parallel universe theory. Some physicists say that if we were to go bac and try to change the past that it would result in an alternate parallel universe, but how? This seems contrary to Conservation of Matter and Energy. How did this parallel universe just get created? Any ideas anyone?

 

 

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It could be that these parallel universes aren't created, but already exist, and have since the big bang. Still, we can't attempt to answer this question until we can successfully explain where the energy came from to create this universe.

 

I'll leave this controversial question open for debate.

 

 

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If parallel universes exist, then they obviously <u>were</u> created and maybe are still being created as we think up more probable scenarios. The Law of Conservation of matter, or energy or anything else have to conform to what exists and not the other way around.

 

We continue to cite scientific laws, the speed of light, etc, etc as excuses for why somethings <u>can not</u> happen. We seem to <u>want</u> to limit the possibilities.

 

 

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The laws of conservation is based on the closed system view of the universe. In such cases where a system is closed, the energy is conserved.

 

A rubber balloon is a good example of this phenomenon. When you blow up a balloon and tie lip of the balloon into a knot so as to hold the air inside the balloon, you have created a closed invironment. So long as the balloon has no openings the quantity of air inside the balloon is conserved(accept for the air that leaks through the micro-scopic pores in the fabric of the balloon.)

 

Know before you tied the knott in the lip of the balloon the balloon was an open system and the quantity of the air inside the balloon was variable. Depending on how much air you blew into the balloon determined the amount of air that was in the balloon. This is an open system.

 

Know in the both balloon expamples we were dealing with quantities of air which are made up of molecules, which are in turn, made up of atoms which are energy in the form of mass. Now energy in the form of mass is far more dense then energy in the form of energy in terms of unit quantums per volume.

 

Energy in the form of mass is closed energy. Now energy in the form of energy is also closed energy. However I believe that energy in the form of energy is a single binding of energy that propagates once per given instant. I believe that mass is a quanta which is quanta is a double probagation of energy such that one of the propagating quantum waves serves as the skin of the other probagation wave of energy which probagates away from the center of the particle outward perpindicular to the 'Balloon skin wave'. This is an inaccurate representation of the complex nature of subatomic particles in that it does not include the strong force glouns bosons mediating strong force in point particles known as quarks which are, if I remember correctly, formed together in groups called hadrons.

 

Now I assume the posibility that the energy inside the circumferance wave of energy is an open form of energy that has a quantity of infinity when the radius of the circunferance wave is zero, and a quantity of zero when the radius of the cirumferance wave reaches it's upper limit.

 

Now when one breaks the circumferance wave of a three dimensional quantum of energy(four dimensional if you include time), the radius of that quanta of energy at the break is equal to the size of the universe(not taking into account the other atoms and the natural expansion of space from the centermass of an event).

 

Assuming that the universes end is the upper limit of the cirumferance wave then the quantity of energy at the break would go straight from its presently defined state to zero. This model would be true of the open energy had a centermass.

 

However since a quanta of energy having a centermass is a closed system by the same arguement that the closed balloon is a closed system, then in order for the energy in the making up the depth of the partical to be truelly open in and of itself, this energy must have no center mass and therefore infinite depth. In this case the near opposite would be true, that is, the quanta of energy at the break where the radius extends to the edge of the universe, the quanta of energy is innfinite infinite, not zero, because of the infinite depth nature of open energy.

 

In this case the quanta of energy in the closed system would also be determined by the circumferance of the circumferance wave measured from space outside the circumferance of the circumferance wave. This would redetermine that quanta of energy in the universe is open in cases such that the energy has no centermass and is confined to a system that has the topology of a plane, not a shpere.

 

Thus the basic conscept illustrated in this analogy is that if energy were to be split at the surface area of the circunferance wave that the quantity of energy released by such an action would be infinite.

 

What does everyone think?

 

Does this sound accurate?

 

inquisitively,

 

Edwin G. Schasteen

 

 

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I got it. If I blow a certain quantity of air in a balloon, this create a potential circumference wave of power, that could be activated using a kind of nail? I can get the balloon and the nail at the dollar-store, but how this is gonna help me with time travel?

 

Time travel is possible, the problem is that there's no proof of parallel world, we get to the point, to analyse the idea that if you go back in time change something you might alter the fact that you are going to born in get to the same point. This mean that you could'nt change anything that you would "see". Anyway, helping people from the WW2 would maybe 'help' to create a war at our time...? Who knows?

 

 

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Dob, Brilliant!!! Why did not I think of it before?! Using a BALLOON, HAMMER, and a NAIL from the 99 cent store to induce a time warp field :)

 

On a serious note the conscept could help out considering that the energy beyond the centermass is probably mediated by tachyons and therefore probably has a negative time component.

 

The basic idea is to pry apart an e and h field and allowing a conduit to be formed through which tachyons may be chanelled into this universe from subpoint space. Charging mass with tachyons having an energy from zero watts to infinite watts can allowing one to send a mass on instant back in time or an infinite period back in time by increasing or decreasing the energy of the tachyons being conducted through the material.

 

I can not go into the method on how to do this yet. But in the near future I hope to be able to reveal more about a device that I have contracted a research and development firm to develop and mass produce. This device at minimum will be capable of generating ungodly amounts of energy and is currently in the development stage. As for it's ability to create a chanel through which tachyons may flow has yet to be confirmed by test.

 

If I am successful then another tool will be able to assist in the quest for time travel. If not then I will post the results so others can learn from my mistakes.

 

God Speed,

 

By the way I laughed out loud at the library when I read Dobs reply. That can be very embarrasing.

 

 

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Laughting is healty, apparently. Anything healty make you live longer... or it help you to. For sure if you get an piano on the head you won't have the time to laugh, and all the laughting time that you've accumulated won't help in any way.

 

But if time travel would be possible, using a circconferum ringwave of transluscent power that have the potential to time-travel, you would be able to prevent this accident.

 

RGRUNT!When you find out about this mystery I want to be v.i.p to know it. Thanks ;)

 

 

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Dob,

 

I will try my best. If I succeed I hope to be able to post the results if not I will definately post the results.

 

You also have a very good point about the piano. I imagine that if one is always joking and laughing then one's mind might not be on his or her surrounding environment which can make one oblivious to the piano that is about to fall on them.

 

The dangerous part of being a dreamer is that one tends to dream quite often both at times that one should and at times that one should not. Such as when operating heavy equipment or when working on high voltage electrical equipment.

 

In my field of Aircraft hydraulics focus and attention to detail is paramount to the safety of the pilots that fly our F-18's as well as to the f-18s.

 

For this reason I dream when I am not at work and when I am at work I divert my focus to my job so that I can do my job properly.

 

Anyhow, since it is the weekend I am free to dream. So I think and I dream.

 

God Speed and be safe,

 

Edwin G. Schasteen

 

 

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rgrunt, sorry about the lack of messages on my part. I havent had much use of a computer, so I havent been able to visit the posts frequently. I was just wondering about the details of the above theory, and the device you speak of. you have actually designed a device, or just as impressive, have actually developed a theory of time/energy/space?

 

 

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Rgrunt, maybe this will have no direct link to time travel, but speaking about dreaming and jobs, for me this have to sounds the same thing. For sure you have to get fun of your job, either if it's demanding your full concentration and efforts. Me, I'm 3d artist, kinda game creation device, and an other day a very technician trying to do some special effects with video. I prefer to dream as long as I can, I have responsabilities, a kid and a bunch of responsabilities. The trick is to train yourself to keep always an eye open. So your mind is in a parrallel world or over the sky, but your feets are on the ground.

 

I hope you'll achieve your dream, others have did so, it's your turn now, and mine, and for everybody here.

 

Be dreamer, be time-traveller!

 

 

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Dear Dob and Richar18,

 

Thankyou both for wishing me well. I wish also that your dreams as well as the dreams of everyone here may also be realized.

 

I think that if we all work together we can accomplish our goals.

 

In reply to Dobs question, Yes I have designed a device. I have contracted the conscept for this device out to a research and developmnet firm called Davison & Associates which is an invention firm. I would recomend this firm to anyone with a good idea. They are very honest and forthright. The telephone number to Davison & Associates is 1-800-677-6382. I recomend requesting Mrs Charlene Reynalds for a case manager. She, and Davison, have been very good to me.

 

I do also have a theory on how to create a time travel device. The invention that I have will produce the energy and is theoretically able to generate a tachyon current. This of coarse I will not know till I test the device, which is now in the development stage over at Davison. According to all the current theory the device is feasible and should work. The firm would not have proceeded to the development stage if it had been established that the theory behind the device were flawed. The firm is looking at prospective small generator companies to contract the device out to for mass development and distribution on the open market. As for whether the device will produce tachyons has not been researched by the firm. The only way to find that one out for sure is to throw the switch and tune the dial.

 

As for right now I can not go into detail about the device until I get permission from the firm. This will not be given until the a provisional patent is filed.

 

I hope that my theory is correct. If not I will atleast learn from this experience. I will also post the results of the device as soon as I recieve a proto-type and test it.

 

I, in conjunction with, Time02112 am still honing the theory of the temperal accelerator. We are now working on a conscept to enable time travel with a Zero divergence factor.

 

After all, if we go temperal sailing, we want to be able to return home.

 

Regards,

 

Edwin G. Schasteen

 

 

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I think my neigbors dog, the one that barks til two o'clock in the morning, won't mind taking an experimental trip to the future in our microwa--err--I mean Temperal accelerator. :)

 

On a serious note I do agree that before any trips are taken that the device must be safe. We will need to have radiation detectors and some pretty sensitive equipment to make this device ready to transport humans safely. I donnot want to submerge the inside of the ship with the field needed to temperally accelerate the ship. I only want to surround the outside of the ship with a field dense enough to seperate the space-time on the outside of the ship from the space-time inside of the ship such that any interactions between the space outside of the ship and the space inside of the ship would require energy greater the energy contained inside an arbitrary mass with an arbitrary measure of

 

!1unit( that is, one unit compressed of energy mass that is compressed to a singularity such that the masses density is infinite so that if one were to smear this quantity of mass over a greater area by cutting slivers of the singular quanta that each individual sliver will have an infinite density. )

 

The Mathematical symbol !1-!1~r^2= = 0. is stated as follows: The total quantity one is divided in half an infinite number of times and confined to an area zero. This is my own math and the symbols are also my own that I used in this accept for !.

 

I mean that I have not taken calculas so I don't no how to right this down in previously established mathematical language.

 

The theory is based on the mathematical theorum that I came up with a couple of years ago. It states that if you divide an imaginary continous mass an infinite number of times the last quantity at and just shy of infinity will equal zero. Therefore a continous quantity one divided in half infinitely equals that same quantity minus itself. Any quantity minus itself equals zero. So 1-1=1/0 and 1-1=0/1 for 1/1=1, .5/1=1/2, .25/1=1/4....0/1=1/0=0.

 

The question I have is does this new mathematical theory that I pose to you now define the infamous "undefined 0/1"?

 

Anyhow by compressing a field to a singularity and then dividing that field up and allowing that field to cover the surface area of a ship completely and uniformly, the energy field will be of sufficient density to seperate all interactions between the interior space-time inside the ship from the exterior space-time outside the ship. So the space-time inside the ship will be a universe independant of the universe outside the ship.

 

What does everyone think?

 

Regards,

 

Edwin G. Schasteen

 

 

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RGrunt, the story I'm telling you is true, real, and it append to my grand-father when he was 10-12 years old. As the begining of the century, going to the moon was still a crazy idea, some prophets and artists had imagine the trip but there was no 'tools' to do it. So my grand-father decide to get his little brother on the moon (the little one because he was lighter). So they made a kinda rocket, basicaly a barrel of metal with 100 pounds of cadridge powder under it. The little boy had a lunch box, a helmet, a kind of map of the city (for when he get back), and every body was ready for the launching... At the very last minute my great grand-father arrived and the whole bunch of young kids ran out in all the direction. 5 minutes later this small kid would have been reduced to hundred of meat pieces.

 

This means for me that we all have dreams, some of us will go further than others, some will be shy to try, who cares? You have to do it safe. I know you don't have the rights over animals life but it have to start somewhere... otherwise try it on yourself, but how could you be shure of the safetyness?

 

I vote for your neightbor's dog to be your first patient to try your time-travel device!

 

(Put a couple of cats too, that would be cool, at least they would be so preocupated that they would'nt know what is appening to them) ;)

 

dob, short and symetric.

 

 

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rgrunt: creating a "space-time bubble" would in fact separate anything inside that bubble from the ambient space-time outside of the shell, but how would you possibly go anywhere in a controlled fashion; i.e. how would you connect yourself with the reality you are trying skip through?

 

p.s. you are truly brilliant, if you have actually figured out a way to achive this "space-time bubble", and invented a navigation system which would allow inter dimensional travel. good luck to you.

 

 

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Dear Richor-18 and Dob,

 

Thankyou for the reply and compliment. You also are very brilliant as are all the minds that are here on this forum.

 

Dear Dob,

 

Thankyou for that truelly enlightening story. I will do my best to do all things safely.

 

As for the uncontrolled nature of the craft..that is a very good point. The problem should be rectified by creating the temperal accelerator with a point of the space--time inside the ship connected with the regular universe grounded out to this dimension of space( present space) allowing us to create a temperal path that follows the ship as it sells through time. The first example was a temperal device that acts like a capacitor in that it is entirely closed in a bubble and not connected to any dimension for an extended period of time, but seperates a mass from it's cause-affect world line all together making the entire system independant of the rest of the universe. It is seperated from the rest of the universe by the closed fabric of tachyons which give the ship a negative-time component. This is like the space of a capacitor that seperates the first electrical post of the capacitor from the secondary post by either free space or an electrolight. An inductor is one solid piece of metal that is a closed circuit unlike the capacitor which is a open circuit(so I have heard). The impedence for an inductive circuit is 1/2(pi)*resonant freq. *the inductance in henries. This means that as the frequency increases the impedance of the circuit increases thus decreasing the amps and increasing the volts( I believe?). For a capacitor the impedence of the circuit is determined by the equation 2(pi)*resonant freq.*capacitance in farads. This means that as the frequency of the capacitor aproaches infinity the impedance approaches zero and the capacitor is superconductive. Now I was considering that one might be able to assist the velocity of the ship through temperal space by applying some form of this equation after taking into consideration the negative time component which will more the likely invert the two equations so that for capacitance with a negative time component, the inductor with a positive time components equation applies and vice-versa.

 

Any how by adjusting the frequency the ship will alter it's velocity and posibly position by adjusting the impedance, and therefore, the amperage and voltage of the system

 

Regards, what do you think?

 

Edwin G. Schasteen

 

 

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RGrunt, thanks for the flowers...

 

Richar18, your questions are so precise then I would'nt be able to answer something mathematical, but I would figure it in a logical way but it would be like everything else, phylosophy on basic.

 

This braught this idea to my brain... after a shake-up and a brain storming, something come out:

 

-We tend to say: if you don't move anymore you don't get old anymore. Actually, it's seem visually to be inverse, you have to go to the speed of light (...) to go in the futur, you get older slowly than the rest of the world. But, who really move?

 

-If you get a spaceship trying to time-travel by speed (for the futur) you'll have to find some free "racing path" in space.

 

-After all, by asking the question "who moves?", you get a very relative answer. My interogation are around this point:

 

<[ How fast does we go right now? To each other - no difference, but to the center of universe or to other beings in other galaxies, we certainly live at a different speed? This induce the fact that if you use the speed to time-travel in the futur, there is certainly a certain path to take to make it more efficiently? >]

 

Finaly, because I still believe it's about speed, going faster than the relative "0" would be the way to play the relative world "backward"...? Time-travel back?

 

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an other reply, faster;

 

To Gavin, first post - If time travel needs a device (that doesn't move, something that you get inside), this means that time travel will be possible only until this device exist. Time-travel will starts at the time the device is created, and be impossible, after the instant the device is not accessible anymore (break, capout or stool par the government!).

 

 

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Dear Dob,

 

I would have sent chocolates too but I ate them all.

 

As for velocity of light this too is a way to go and atleast we know it will work.

 

However, I theorize that compression is the same a acceleration. For if one considers that the amount of energy required to compress a quantity of mass to an infinitely small point is the same amount of kenetic energy needed to accelerate a mass body to the velocity of light.

 

I believe that it is not the velocity of a mass but the amount of kenetic energy applied to that mass that causes time dilation and time travel into the past.

 

In fact, and this is probably already known if it is true, the affect of the speed of light on relative time might work together with applied kenetic energy to form the relative zero that Dob or Richor-18 had mentioned in the posts above.

 

Now the common factor between a compressing object and mass that is accelerating towards the velocity of light is applied kenetic energy.

 

Now since kenetic energy is mass in the form of energy and if current physics theory holds then kenetic energy must either be mediated as strong force, weak force, gravitational force, or electromagnetic force.

 

I have heard it rumored that the unconfirmed Higg's Boson is suspected to be responcible for mediating inertial properties between subatomic particles.

 

Depending on which of the four fundemental forces kenetic energy is will determine the nature of the mediation of the kenetic force.

 

I believe that kenetic energy is electro-magnetic in nature and therefore occupies a given frequency range in the electro-magnetic spectrum.

 

I was considering that the applied energy of kenesis to infinity uniformly around a shperical mass would result in the exponential decay of the radius of the mass arriving at zero point in a finite period of time so long as the applied energy is in a state of constant state of acceleration because an infinite compression will be acheived in that period of time. Now the mass may not constrict to infinitely small point if the applied exponential kenetic energy to constrict the mass increases exponentially at a slower rate of speed or by a lesser quanta per given unit of time then the rate of exponential increase of applied kenetic energy by the mass to resist compression. Since by applying an exponential increasing energy to compress mass results in an increased resistance to compression according to the law that states that for every action there is an equal opposite reaction, the quantity of energy resisting compression at zero will be infinite at which point the energy trying to compress the object will be infinite. Also, kenetic energy is applied first and then the mass resists the compression by returning a quanta of energy equal to the quanta of energy being applied. To increase the amount of kenetic energy applied is to increase the nunmber of discreat kenetic bosons being transmitted into the object per unit time. This results in an increase to the number of kenetic bosons being applied by the mass to resist compression. The number of unit of quanta's passing a given point would be measured in amps. The static force built up by the build up of resistance to compression in the mass would be measured in volts. The frequency of the kenetic applied energy increases as the number of quanta being applied increases. Since the mass is always reacting to the energy being applied to compress the mass, the resisting or opposite reaction is always applied after the kenetic energy to compress the mass is applied. This means that the kenetic energy is always greater then the opposing kenetic energy and therefore always has a higher frequency. Now as the energy applied to compress the mass increases exponentially at a slower rate then the energy applied to resist the density of the mass increases. This results from the increase in frequency as the molecules decrease their distances from one another.

 

This results in an increase to the number of rotations in each molecule and an increase in the number of rotations of the electron around the atom per given second as a result of the decreased circumferance in which the electron and molecules orbit around the atom and around each other.

 

This results in an increase to the frequency determined by the number of orbits per given unit of time. Note that in this case the electron does not increase velocity, or if it does the increase in velocity does not cause the increase in frequency.

 

This is something to look at when considering the different colors of light refracted through a prism. The decrease in frequency of the light might not be caused by the decrease in velocity. However light photons are not electrons so I might be wrong.

 

Anyways, to get back to the point, the number of kenetic quanta's being chanelled into the object increases as does the resisting kenetic quanta's resulting in a greater number of crests passing through each other per given unit of time resulting a more defined region of surface wave resulting in a more continuus surface wave that increases in density as the number of crests per given unit of time pass each other through the medium to be compressed.

 

It is rather like the ceiling fan. The faster the fan turns the more continuus the radius of the circle appears. Instead of having four defined bladed you have a fussy continuus circle which appears more an more solid as the faster the fan turns. At the velocity of light the fan would look like a single continuus circle as the spinning shadow of on the fan becomes smaller and smaller as the silloette of the spinning blades increase in size as the blades spin faster and faster becoming continuus and infinitely dense at the velocity of light at the spinning shadows become singular at the velocity of light. This shows that the fan compresses to an infinitely small point since the angle between one of the edges of anyone of the four spinning shadows and the opposite edge of that shadow reaches zero as the shadow approaches the velocity of light.

 

As the overall density of all the kenetic energy in the mass at one time increases to infinity the phase difference and frequency difference between the kenetic energy being applied to compress the mass and the kenetic energy reacting to keep the mass from compressing approaches zero. At an infinite density the frequency of the kenetic energy is infinite and the kenetic cause to compress and the kenetic affect to not compress accur simultanousely.

 

Now the applied kenetic energy to compress the mass is infinite. Also, the applied kenetic energy to resist compression is infinitely strong. Since each accur in the same space at the same time you have two infinities accuring at the same time.

 

Now if one were to continue to increase the applied kenetic energy to compress the mass exponentially the energy to resist the compression would act upon the mass to resist compression before the energy being applied to continue compressing the mass is applied which means that the mass has a negative time component. A mass that has a negative time component is a mass that is traveling back in time, and since the effect accurs before the cause, the mass has a negative time component at beyond infinite compression.

 

To apply more then an infinite compression to compress a mass will result in compressing a mass to beyond it's own center mass. And since we have shown here that to apply a greater the infinite kenetic energy at an instant results in a reversal of the direction of time to that object, an objects past exists beyond the center mass of that object. Thus if one could split apart a quantum field to expose the superluminal tachyon energy that exists beyond the centermass of every partical and field, one might be able to expose those tacyhons to this dimension.

 

If we then charge those channel or transmit those tachyons into a mass those tachyons when interacting with the mass counteract the forward component of the time dimsension slowing the rate at which the mass travels toward the future.

 

Since the sorrounding universe travels into the future at a greater rate of speed then the mass itself the mass, although still traveling forward in time will exist further and further into the past as the present which is accelerating into the future travels further and further into the future.

 

Now the past is once the past starts catching up to the object and surpassing the object as more past becomes the masses future all the tachyon mass that is between the present and the point in the past that the mass is located will be confined to the mass resulting in an increase in tachyon density of the mass resulting in an increase in acceleration of the mass into the past.

 

That is why tachyons increase energy as the tachyons aproach the velocity of light from a superluminal speed.

 

What does everyone think?

 

Regards,

 

Edwin G. Schasteen

 

 

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RGrunt, I think you've beated the record of the longuess reply, congratulation!

 

If I get it properly, from your point of view, time travel is easier to access than with common tools then to achieve it at speed of light, by finding some way to accelerate atoms at sublevels. I feel a bit efraid by this taught, placing somebody in such field of 'mass' stuff will crush him like an insect. And, as soon as is it electromagnetic, the being will loose the iron inside him (I don't want to figure how this would look like, but that would be nasty).

 

I taught of the astronauts, living in space make you live longer in the sens that they go at very high speeds around the earth, living few months upthere can make a difference of 5 days(less) relative to us on earth. Up there there's no gravity, they float in freedom in there spacecab. But from a biological point of view, astronauts developpe some kind of disease; I won't explain proprely but it is something about the molecule, on earth some of our vital cellular molecule tends to point all in the same direction, to the ground. In space it's the free-for-all-big-mess, every molecule tend to point in all direction, and that provoque the white globule (or something) to 'stuck' between theses molecules; the astronauts get sick easier (so they have to keep in shape by doing exercice, but this doesn't fix everything...).

 

I know this have shurly been post before, but I found it appropriate to bring back to the surface. Do you agree with those points?

 

 

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dob,

 

Those are good points, however with current research into microengineering/nanotechnology, and genetic engineering, i think that perhaps (soon) we will have the ability to adapt & overcome these obstacles, and progress in many ways of human evolution that frees us from our current limitations.

 

rgrunt,

 

shall we discuss our CC-Q-TS?

 

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