Ed Dames on Oct 1, 1998 (1/6)

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[Art Bell] We are dealing with a story and you're going to get an update on this on Dreamland Sunday. Linda interviewed a scientist - an astronomer that you're gonna hear the interview Sunday and oh boy.. They were talking about this immense wave, this bomb of radiation from a bizarre star that smashed into Earth's upper atmosphere. A lot of people are talking about this. Scientists said today, that the eruption was the most powerful burst of x-rays and gamma rays from beyond the Sun ever recorded and by the way, caused two satellites to overload and shut down briefly. It actually charged the ionosphere. It's a remarkable story. Now, the reason that I mention this yet again is because of Linda's report which you are going to hear Sunday and if you get Dreamland that is, and I am reminded in fact, from a transcript of my earlier show discussing with Ed Dames about what he called then a discontinuity. Remember that? He really couldn't see past an event. Quote: (Art Bell asking Ed) "When did you nail it down?" (Dames) "I think about 11 months ago. We finally pulled it all together by looking at the source of this event."

[Art Bell] This is Ed Dames speaking now. (Dames) "By concentrating only on the source rather than the effects at first we thought we were dealing with a neutron star burst somewhere else in another part of the galaxy. Then with more work we realized it was our own star the Sun."

[Art Bell] Now, I can tell you going into tonight's program, Ed does believe that we just received what he forecast as the 'shot across the bow.' It's a big story. Now, he did move from thinking it was a neutron star which in fact it was - according to what I can read. I mean, that's remarkable in itself, to thinking it was our own Sun. He now thinks this is indeed the shot across the bow for those of you who are following..have been following what Ed has been saying. So there you have it. With that we're going to go to open lines and anything you want to talk about is valid for the next 45 minutes or so. Open Lines, unscreened and then Ed Dames.

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The Psi-Switch

[Art Bell] Here's Ed Dames. PSI TECH's Ed Dames. Hello Ed.

[Ed Dames] Good Evening Art.

[Art Bell] Good Evening.

[Ed Dames] Pleasure to be here on your bon voyage program.

[Art Bell] That's what it is, my bon voyage program, I guess huh? Well, having you on Ed, is kind of like always having a bon voyage program hahahahaha.

[Ed Dames] I'll try to be as entertaining as possible.

[Art Bell] Hahaha No, that's alright..that was a joke Ed.

[Ed Dames] I understand.

[Art Bell] "Dr. Doom" you know.. Umm.. we've got so much to cover tonight that I barely know where to begin..except..I think I'm going to begin at the end. Umm.. we were going to do this last time and really it was mentioned, PSI TECH's breakthrough work on a P-S-I Switch. A psycho kinetic tachyon device. Hope I said that correctly.

[Ed Dames] It Actually, it's pronounced psi..psi is the romanization, English romanization of the Greek letter C that most of you see around that has generally..the general connotation at least in most of this century is psychic functioning.

[Art Bell] As in PSI TECH.

[Ed Dames] Correct. And I'll give you a little background Psi Switch. In the late seventies, there was a..at CIA..and Army. CIA and Army officers are our country's spies. Case officers. We had a problem communicating with our agents. You know from Hollywood, TV, and movies it's pretty damning for agents to be caught with a transmitter in the heel of their shoe or radio transmitter in their watch or something like that. You might as well get caught with microfilm.

[Art Bell] Oh bad..bad news..yeah..

[Ed Dames] Yes. Very Bad.

[Art Bell] Heel transmitters - no good.

[Ed Dames] Those kinds of things. So it was thought based upon some earlier work that we could communicate..if an agent could communicate using only his or her mind with the agent's handler..outside of the country..

[Art Bell] We're basically talking about telepathy right?

[Ed Dames] Yes. Partially we are. But telepathy remember is generally..the connotation generally is human to human. One human mind to another.

[Art Bell] Yes..right.

[Ed Dames] Here this was not what we intended to do. We wanted to actually have a physical switch where an agent would be able in an analog fashion to modulate a receiver somewhere. A receiver would pick up on the agent's mind body state. I'll have more to say about that in a moment. And then using some clippers and filtering we'd be able to look at thresh hold values that were transmitted.

[Art Bell] Oh God. I just now realized what you are talking about. Now.. please bear with me Ed. Are you saying that you were devising a method. I guess everybody.. we hear the old.. we are all individual snow flakes or something or another..we all have individual fingerprints and all that baloney. So there is something individual enough about our brain function that you could actually design a piece of hardware that would receive information from only that source. Is that what you are saying?

[Ed Dames] That is exactly correct.

[Art Bell] Wow.

[Ed Dames] And necessity is the mother of invention and we thought based upon experiments that were conducted both at CIA and at the U.S. Army LabCom - Laboratory Command. There was some basis.. some evidence to suggest that we could get away with designing something like this. Just like we got away with putting together remote viewing and making it work. In the end, the money went to remote viewing because intelligence collection requirements were far more important than simple agent communications.

[Art Bell] So they never followed up on the project.

[Ed Dames] Only to a certain degree which I'll get into momentarily. But remember the squeaky wheel gets the grease and us needing to know more about the SS18..and Soviet..

[Art Bell] I know... that was squeaking a lot louder..

[Ed Dames] That's right. So this died on the vine but a couple of us in the Army remembered the experiments. At any rate the idea was for an agent to be able to train that switch that was particular only to him or her.

[Art Bell] Right.

[Ed Dames] Using biofeedback techniques. So that they could get consistent readings at a distance.

[Art Bell] Alright I'm with you so far..

[Ed Dames] So the agent would be able to communicate instead of using a radio transmitter. And I don't know how familiar you are with agent communications but in the trade craft it's pretty cut and dry. You get on a transmitter and you transmit a series of numbers somewhere and the host country agency then knows you're in place or you've completed your mission... it's time to be picked up.. it's time to service a dead-drop .. those kinds of things.

[Art Bell] Right..

[Ed Dames] Well in this case we were attempting to design machinery. I'll use that term loosely now. To be able to accomplish the same goal using only the agent's mind and the switch.

[Art Bell] Alright.. question. I can readily see how you would train for this using biofeedback. In other words, you would eventually train somebody to be able to send specific biofeedback signals that you would read at a distance. But I would imagine it would be fairly simple stuff at first - big emotional biofeedback blasts of one kind or another that could really be read strongly. Is that correct?

[Ed Dames] It's a mind.. remember we're really two separate systems.. we're complex individuals as human beings. But there are two primary systems. One is our mind, our conscious awareness which is always thinking, planning, looking ahead. The other is our emotional body which is an experiential vehicle it reacts to experiences.

[Art Bell] Yogis can change their heartbeat.

[Ed Dames] Yes and much more.

[Art Bell] Yes and much more. And so this is the same sort of thing. You're talking about the same sort of thing aren't you?

[Ed Dames] If..let's use the yogi as an example or someone who is highly trained at modulating their mind/body state like a yogi. If we hooked them up to any number of biofeedback devices we could calibrate that particular individual and then simply say, "Okay instead of talking to us, we want you to tell us..to communicate the color blue and when you're in a certain mind/body state we see on our histogram here that the color blue looks like this in terms of a graph."

[Art Bell] So then you've got an agent on the other side of the world. He conjures up the color blue. It registers on your end and the color blue means, 'extraction, get me the hell out of here.'

[Ed Dames] Whatever, but the trick is to unhook it.. has to be non contact. It has to be done in a non contact modality. In other words, no wires attached.

[Art Bell] No...no..I hear you I understand exactly what you're talking about but what I'm driving at is..was it that simple..the goals were that simple..to produce a few biofeedback signals that would indicate certain things like extraction or mission accomplished or whatever message you wanted to send.

[Ed Dames] Yes. Correct. A very small dictionary. Similar to the command on a nuclear submarine. You're not going to attempt to communicate pages and pages of information..at least in the early days, things have changed now but because you would not expect communications to get through in a combat environment - especially a nuclear environment. So you would only want to communicate perhaps 30 groups of 4 digit numbers to allow someone somewhere else to look in the dictionary and see what that means.

[Art Bell] Oh that's incredible. What would be the chain of associated electronics to achieve that?

[Ed Dames] Well it took us at PSI TECH a lot of work to pull together the apparatus to make this work. We owe our success to Technical Remote Viewing for one thing. We were able to use Technical Remote Viewing to ascertain the final pieces of the puzzle. But we had a lot of help in standing on the shoulders of some giants. For instance, Cleve Baxter. Do you know this person? Or have you had him on the show?

[Art Bell] I know the name ..yes.

[Ed Dames] Okay Cleve Baxter. I'm sure you know Professor Robert John and Brenda Dunn at Princeton University.

[Art Bell] I do.

[Ed Dames] Okay they were implemental in this. They're at the Princeton Anomalies Research experiment. Colonel John Alexander was the one who pressed forward to attempt to do this at U.S. Army's Laboratory Command. Then Thelma Moss who is deceased. She was a big proponent of Kirilian photography. We know her daughter Paulie here in Los Angeles. I met Thelma before she died.

[Art Bell] And you're telling me PSI TECH basically has achieved this. You have done it. You have the mechanism in place. You've done the test double blind and all the rest of that sort of thing and you know it works.

[Ed Dames] We know it works but we have to put together the- we want to engineer it and sell it as a product.

[Art Bell] Really.

[Ed Dames] Now although it's proprietary I can give you some of the secrets behind it and I think this is very interesting.

[Art Bell] I like secrets. Ed hold on. I also like cliffhangers so stay right there. I do like secrets and after the break you'll hear one. What a cool idea huh? This is Coast to Coast AM, I'm Art Bell.

[Art Bell] Top of the morning. Ed Dames is here. We're talking about a PSI SWITCH. Something that works.

[Art Bell] Let's see what secrets we can dredge from Ed on the PSI SWITCH. I can sort of imagine part of it Ed involving a very sensitive biofeedback machine but you would have to find an electronic way to receive specific thought frequencies. That's where the trick must be.

[Ed Dames] Well there's some tricks alright. And some wonderful discoveries to be made. Now remember this is not telekinetic. Telekinesis..you're not moving something at a distance.

[Art Bell] Right. Psychokinesis.

[Ed Dames] It's psycho kinetic. But it's also tachyon. I call it a tachyon device because this communication with the switch is instantaneous. In other words, it's space time irrelevant. It does not matter how far away you are sort of like remote viewing. Remote viewing can detect information through space time. This device works through space time too. If you had a receiver 17 light years away..and..

[Art Bell] It would be instant. There would not be 17 light years of transmission time

[Ed Dames] That's correct.

[Art Bell] Oh no I'm with you here alright.

[Ed Dames] Okay. Let's talk about the transmitter first. The transmitter is a human being.

[Art Bell] Right.

[Ed Dames] Maybe some day it will be a group of human beings. But right now in the basic stages it's a single individual.

[Art Bell] Right

[Ed Dames] The individual holds a particular emotional state. And I might have more to say about this in a moment. When they hold that emotional state..the same way a Yogi would or anybody that undergoes biofeedback training..

[Art Bell] They're transmitting.

[Ed Dames] We're always transmitting. What we have is a receiver..

[Art Bell] And you have a spike. In other words you have trained this individual to in effect do the equivalent of changing his heartbeat..he does that..it provides a spike out of the otherwise noise.

[Ed Dames] Not necessarily. The receiver which has the switch in it. It's really a receiver. It's always picking up as long as it's turned on and operational - the brain/mind body state of the transmitter. So, what you have to do first is to hold a specific emotional state and when you do that, that is correlated with a certain algorithm at the receiving end and it does something like turn on a device or whatever. But there's more to this. It's not just the idea of emotional states. Some emotional states can be modulated - where you can instead of a binary operation, in other words an off/on type of a switch, there is a particular state that can be modulated. When you are in this state you can actually impress or impose thought on the signal.

[Art Bell] How much thought?

[Ed Dames] We don't know yet. It's a second stage device and we have to research it. That's a next generation device Art.

[Art Bell] Alright.

[Ed Dames] But we know what the state is.

[Art Bell] I see what stage you're at right now. And I see how it would work.

[Ed Dames] Okay now.. the device.. Here's one of the big secrets. What we find is that thought at the receiving end generates a certain frequency of light immediately. In other words there's something about thought, about whatever is being transmitted..and I use that term loosely. That gives genesis to a certain frequency of light at the switch. It creates light. And we use the receiver to amplify that light..like a diode. And detect it like diodes. In fact we use diodes... to detect it and then trigger a servo mechanism. But the amazing thing is that thought is creating light.

[Art Bell] Alright, what I don't get about the electronic aspect of it is - how you specifically receive an individual ..any single individual's frequency..for lack of a better word, frequency. Or is that a secret..that's a part no doubt..

[Ed Dames] That is a proprietary part. I would very much like to tell you right now. But I'm going to have to wait a while to do that. Symmetry is the key. Symmetry is the key. You know what.. I think I am going to tell you because there's another part of the receiver device that is proprietary.. it's the real trick, that we had to use Technical Remote Viewing to figure out. So I'm going to tell you. Symmetry is key in all of this. I talked about this before. Radio crystals transmit or tuning forks or anything that's symmetric. It operates that way.

[Art Bell] It has frequency. Yes.

[Ed Dames] A crystal cut for 30 mhz. A transmitter and a receiver, they become transceivers. Tuning forks vibrate. One tuning fork cut to the same frequency in a room vibrates when the other one is hit. We all know this. It's because they are symmetric. Right?

[Art Bell] Yes.

[Ed Dames] DNA is also symmetric and DNA is unique.

[Art Bell] Correct.

[Ed Dames] I'm going to take a piece of the transmitter's DNA and I'm going to use that as part of my receiver.

[Art Bell] So you're receiver..is..

[Ed Dames] The crystal in the receiver is a piece of DNA from the transmitter.

[Art Bell] Oh my god. I see.

[Ed Dames] And it works.

[Art Bell] I do see.. I do see..

[Ed Dames] And it's unjammable. You can't jam it. You can't receive it. It's one way.

[Art Bell] Boy I'll tell ya Dames you're something.. I do exactly understand what you're talking about..I can....

[Ed Dames] Never make little plans.

[Art Bell] Hahaha.. Everybody has individual DNA..absolutely..and you would in some way be able to receive that specific DNA code which means it's being transmitted...

[Ed Dames] So we have to put this, we have to place this piece of DNA, and it can be a scraping from the inside of your mouth, any lekocytes. I won't get into the technicalites. But we place that in the substrate that's proprietary and that's what makes it work. Once it goes into that substrate it becomes a clone of the transmitter.

[Art Bell] So you're receiver really is a combination machine and biological ...sample..

[Ed Dames] It's a biological switch. And an amplifier. But what the amplifier is doing is amplifying light. There's no electronic transmission. We do not even know if this is instantaneous in terms of quantum theory we have an idea of how it might be working..but that's all. We can engineer it but we don't have the theory behind it. Just like Technical Remote Viewing.

[Art Bell] Okay, alright, well here's an obvious question..

[Ed Dames] But I have one more comment to make and it's very interesting. The most light is created at the receiving end of this particular frequency when one is in a state of love.

[Art Bell] Now why doesn't that surprise me?

[Ed Dames] In other words, the most powerful transmitters are the ones that can achieve this state and there's no self deception it has to be real. For instance, at P.E.A.R. Labs they've noticed that in researching psychokinesis, couples that are in love have a very strong effect on inanimate materials when they work together. So..

[Art Bell] Well this is good news for the agents in the field.

[Ed Dames] Well..it's ironic that a military tool..ends up..what can I say? I think it's a real irony - the most powerful individuals will have to be able to pull this off.

[Art Bell] Now I've got something for you. I understand clearly what the military applications for this are and I suspect the military is going to understand very clearly what the applications for them are and the CIA and all the spooky agencies, but what is private sector PSI TECH gonna do with it?

[Dames] I think that we'll market the same way we did Technical Remote Viewing. It's just like a laser. You use a laser for heart surgery. You use a laser for cutting materials or you can use a laser to shoot down satellites.

[Art Bell] Yeah I know but what I'm saying is, what's the application other than spookville?

[Ed Dames] Well we're not sure yet..we're just not sure.

[Art Bell] Okay, so you may end up..

[Ed Dames] You mean in terms of the civilian community?

[Art Bell] yeah.. well both communities..I fully understand the military application.. the CIA's application for it..or NSA..

[Ed Dames] Oh there's an infinite number of applications for instance, you could turn on without words, without physical action one transmitter could turn on a transceiver any distance away after they've trained themselves to go into a particular brain/mind state. There's no hook-ups, there's no wires..

[Art Bell] I understand. But again, where is the private sector application? You could set off a bomb...from the other side of the world just by thinking about it..

[Ed Dames] Well you could do that with a radio wave too Art.

[Art Bell] Not reliably..

[Ed Dames] Sure you can..

[Art Bell] And not at that distance..

[Ed Dames] We used to do it all the time..

[Art Bell] Well I know.. but listen..for example..we had a blast from the sun (your territory by the way) the other day that utterly shut down every single short wave frequency in the spectrum..I mean, it shut it down cold. Nobody could have transmitted a radio frequency other than through satellites that would have set off a bomb but with your application you could do it.

[Ed Dames] Well better yet and more practically you could do that but you could also maintain communications. There isn't a lot of electronics in the receiver so it's fairly safe from environmental vicissitudes in terms of electromagnetics..

[Art Bell] Sure..sure..

[Ed Dames] There's a lot of applications here but I think primarily just the idea that you have this non contact modality that it's pretty mind boggling.

[Art Bell] It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing but your customers are going to be your old bosses.. hehehe.

[Ed Dames] Now listen Art. Technical Remote Viewing. Who are my customers right now? They aren't my old bosses.

[Art Bell] Oh no I know. And there's a lot of private sector applications no question about it for that.. for a lot of..for everything PSI TECH does. Lot's of private sector applications..that's why it works so well. I understand that. But the switch, it's your old bosses that are going to be interested in that.

[Ed Dames] The old bosses will have it as well as the private sector.

[Art Bell] Well that's amazing Ed. That's an amazing thing to have worked on. And I see how it came from remote viewing. It's an obvious extension of remote viewing.

[Ed Dames] It's our sister science. And we felt remiss in not investigating our sister science. The active side of the psi phenomena. Psi phenomena can be split generally down the middle. A passive psi although that in terms of quantum theory that's not exactly true anymore. That's remote viewing - being able to discern things and targets at a distance. That's passive.

[Art Bell] If you've really done this they are going to be knocking on your door, if they haven't already.

[Ed Dames] Well, it's a kinder and gentler force out there Art. And it's a different world. These are the nineties. It's been a while since a proprietary civilian discovery has been rolled up by a government or agencies of the government. It's been quite a while, like thirty years.

[Art Bell] Ohhhhh.. I'm not sure I believe that. Hehehe. I'm not sure I believe that. I mean..

[Ed Dames] That's about the McArthy era.

[Art Bell] If there is a major discovery made that has national security implications. And there have been such discoveries I'm certain in the last thirty years, the guys in the suits walk in. I mean they walk in for a lot less.

[Ed Dames] I'm telling you Art it hasn't happened..

[Art Bell] In thirty years huh..

[Ed Dames] Since the McArthy era. And then it did happen a lot.

[Art Bell] Well then we must be awfully far behind our enemies. That's what I'd have to say about that. We must be awfully far behind them. I get indications now the Russians are doing experiments that would curl your hair.

[Ed Dames] I am patently aware of what's out there on the streets - scalar wave technology on and on and on. In terms of what's being reported. But having been someone who was responsible to report back to the highest levels of the department of defense on what's really out there. I'm in a position to know what's real and what's not.

[Art Bell] But let's say the Russians are changing our weather or changing or screwing with the weather or causing earth quakes or using scalar wave technology...

[Ed Dames] Art that's an act of war.

[Art Bell] Umm..yeah. Oh yeah I agree with you but if they're doing all of this and we're not then you know..we're in a lot of trouble. That's why I have a hard time believing we're not.

[Ed Dames] Well we've got some fancy things out there. But you have to remember that dialectic materialism as practiced by the former Soviet Union for many years and I think I've mentioned this before on your show.. that's a different mind set. A very different paradigm like that produces different science. Different science results in different technologies. That's why when the former Soviet Union said to General Abramson in charge of this country's Star Wars program, "if you field this we will counter it." We snubbed our noses at the Russians thinking that they couldn't because their space program was a generation behind ours. And yet in the end they were able to counter it using something that was so diabolically different and yet conventional, I can't talk about it, but they were able to counter that program in a way that we'd never conceived because their thinking was different. For instance. Let me give you an example. In the west we use non destructive testing to look inside of let's say an automobile engine to look at the flaws and the heat spots those kinds of things. The Russians have a science called entroscopy but it's not quite the same as non destructive testing. It uses different ways of ascertaining what is going on in material science inside of something and it has spawned very different technologies simply because they looked at the world differently.

[Art Bell] Well I sure have no argument with that. The Russians do look at the world differently.

[Ed Dames] But those things are changing Art. Everything's cross leveled now. The Soviets..the Russians..they had a bunch of generalists and we were specialists and now all that is changing. The day of the generalist is going away. You remember that I mentioned the time when we could not understand how the Russians with 'Speak and Spell' generation computer chips, three generations or two and a half generations behind ours were able to hit.. to intercept missiles and test as fast as we could with very fast number crunchers.

[Art Bell] That's true.

[Ed Dames] And the answer to that was..we found..was that the Soviet mathematicians were better than ours and they produced algorithms that were elegant and when those algorithms were programmed into computer chips that were two generations behind ours they worked because what we did, our PHD's, threw sloppy algorithms into computers and the warheads of our intercept missiles expecting our fancy computers to crunch away numbers and that crunching time equaled the crunching time with a sloppy algorithm equaled the crunching time two generations behind with an elegant algorithm.

[Art Bell] I'm with you..

[Ed Dames] That's the kind of differences I'm talking about. But we're getting off of the subject.

[Art Bell] We are but that's absolutely fascinating and it's kind of a little history of what went on during the cold war and to some degree is still going on right now. You wouldn't consider the Russians now to be benign would you Ed?

[Ed Dames] Absolutely not.

[Art Bell] Yeah..I wouldn't either.. alright hold it right there. PSI TECH's Ed Dames is my guest. And I can tell you right now it's going to be quite a night. When we come back we're going to talk a little bit about Amelia Earhart and what Ed Dames has uncovered with regard to Amelia Earhart's disappearance, crash, where she is now, is exclusive to this program. It has not been told anywhere else. That's coming right up.